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Fumesucker

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107. Perspective

Wed Feb 19, 2014, 03:47 AM

Feb 2014

My perspective and I suspect that of quite a few men on DU is that I am being attacked for what I find sexually appealing. That is how I see things and in my opinion it's a source of a lot of the conflict we see here.

You have no idea what my day to day behavior is, how do you have any basis for criticism of my behavior?

I don't have a clue what it is you want me to actually do, I have never in my life bought an issue of Sports Illustrated, I watched maybe three movies last year and my only real media exposure is music since I don't own a television and loathe advertising. I could easily boycott everything but music and it wouldn't bother me.

Posting the SI OP wasn't done by me and I haven't posted anything like that on DU.

Remember, perspective, people can perceive the same thing very differently.

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There was a point to it, you know [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 OP

I don't think you needed to explain yourself Manny. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #1

There are a lot of chunks missing from my butt after that thread MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #2

you should see the other guy Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #4

Yeah he did. There's a lot of DU members lacking the sarcasm gene. Scuba Feb 2014 #125

deconstructing? objectifying? Sacrebleu! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #3

No explaining necessary you were just shining a light on hypocrisy in you usual eloquent style Drew Richards Feb 2014 #5

This is so true Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #226

People either get you or they don't Manny. Autumn Feb 2014 #6

Sadly, some people choose to not get it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #9

It does give them something to do and Autumn Feb 2014 #20

Things got a little quieter because of that thread. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #7

Yep. nt oldhippie Feb 2014 #22

Don't neuter satire by explaining it 1000words Feb 2014 #8

Well I thought it was well played. KentuckyWoman Feb 2014 #10

You wanted to stir shit and start a flame war MattBaggins Feb 2014 #11

+1 Squinch Feb 2014 #12

Cheeky provocation is just his style LittleBlue Feb 2014 #36

Manny being Manny ... 1000words Feb 2014 #39

Some people are looking to "flame". I call them self-righteous bullies. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #37

Standard operating procedure for some. FSogol Feb 2014 #152

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #160

You are clueless, nothing more. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #180

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ treestar Feb 2014 #207

Satire or not, I didn't get it yesterday and I don't get it today. Hoppy Feb 2014 #13

Don't worry about it, most people here got it ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #27

It might make more sense if you are aware of Manny's posting history. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #31

His stuff is not that thought provoking at all MattBaggins Feb 2014 #32

Fortunately, I don't get offended easily. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #35

Gee, does Manny annoy you Matt? HangOnKids Feb 2014 #69

I agree with HOK pintobean Feb 2014 #79

Self-delete Feral Child Feb 2014 #229

Then I suggest you put Manny on ignore. I dont think he will mind. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #38

That's a fucking bummer. cliffordu Feb 2014 #49

Do you find Monty Python funny? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #53

And now ... 1000words Feb 2014 #60

I knew Monty and Manny is no Monty MattBaggins Feb 2014 #82

Yes, but they need to suggest that if you didn't find it funny, you have no sense of humor. Squinch Feb 2014 #114

No. I do find Manny funny. 840high Feb 2014 #182

Meh.. he tries to hard MattBaggins Feb 2014 #187

Self delete. Feral Child Feb 2014 #230

Manny set up a straw man about "dirty music." joshcryer Feb 2014 #59

Perspective is such a critical thing Fumesucker Feb 2014 #67

Oh fer fuck sake you have no control over yourself? MattBaggins Feb 2014 #84

You think sexual orientation is a choice? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #89

Orientation. No. Day to day behavior - of course. bettyellen Feb 2014 #104

Perspective Fumesucker Feb 2014 #107

Did you really not see the thread about the SI threads making this a hostile place? bettyellen Feb 2014 #128

Do you really not get it? gaspee Feb 2014 #112

It's not mind-boggling to me.....it's quite obvious to me what the major malfunction is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168

People who are racist say the same thing....it was so much better in the "olden days" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #85

Do you think sexual orientation is a choice? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #90

What does that have to do with what I just said? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #91

When did you choose what turns you on? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #93

I am NOT changing the course of this conversation....no matter how hard you try... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

When did you choose what turns you on? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #95

Not going to happen.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #96

When did you choose what turns you on? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #99

This isn't about sexual attraction, it's about objectification. boston bean Feb 2014 #101

Perspective Fumesucker Feb 2014 #103

I would like you to do is stop supporting boston bean Feb 2014 #106

y'all alienate people with accusations like that arely staircase Feb 2014 #113

So, pointing out the difference and explaining boston bean Feb 2014 #120

Constant assault on language? No, these are basic sociological terms. redqueen Feb 2014 #124

what is MRA? arely staircase Feb 2014 #134

A couple of very informative links: redqueen Feb 2014 #136

I was actually talking about "framing" and "derailing" arely staircase Feb 2014 #139

When did YOU choose that someone needs to put photos of what turns you on in front of Squinch Feb 2014 #116

They are the He Men!....DO NOT tell them they aren't allowed to objectify women any VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #165

You say that this is sarcasm, but I am being told in another thread that the Squinch Feb 2014 #186

I agree....just added the sarcasm because I didn't want it to be misconstrued that "I" was saying it VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #197

You nailed it- after mocking offense at watermelon jokes, he wrote a bettyellen Feb 2014 #138

Famesucker, this has nothing to do with your sexuality, and you know it. Squinch Feb 2014 #115

As soon as I saw the first one...I knew it would be followed by another half-assed VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166

So if you see an attractive woman in church, you have to rip her clothes off and fuck her, right? jeff47 Feb 2014 #161

WWBD? Squinch Feb 2014 #188

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gollygee Feb 2014 #213

It's bizarre that gassing off on topics you do not even understand .... bettyellen Feb 2014 #144

Right, those throngs of Feminists bagging on Beatles songs were getting out of hand kcr Feb 2014 #14

But now he's pointing out all his reasonable goals for the thread. While blinking innocently. Squinch Feb 2014 #15

Uhhhmmmm Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16

it was a nice followup to the thread making fun of the fried chicken issue from last week.. dionysus Feb 2014 #154

there seems to be a pattern doesn't there? I noticed it too .. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #167

kind of like Republicans who said it was just Food JI7 Feb 2014 #17

Yeah....what's so racist about food? Why you've gone too far now....I cannot even joke VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #87

This thread feels like a Paula Deen plantation themed wedding - bettyellen Feb 2014 #105

Yes. We are just being silly. Squinch Feb 2014 #122

I got where you were coming from, I think, TDale313 Feb 2014 #18

as such though hfojvt Feb 2014 #19

Objectification is a cultural practice that reduces women to things BainsBane Feb 2014 #21

Oh, I think that your point came across. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #23

What you'd hoped to do vs what you did: yewberry Feb 2014 #24

I remember my neighbor protesting he wasn't being racist while mocking black folks Lex Feb 2014 #25

+1 BainsBane Feb 2014 #26

So you think Manny was mocking? Who was he mocking? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #46

He was mocking people who objected to GD being turned geek tragedy Feb 2014 #48

Really? He really said that? Please give me a quote. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #50

His words: geek tragedy Feb 2014 #57

Watch it. You wouldn't want to go too far deconstructing everything! joshcryer Feb 2014 #61

If Manny has ever objected to sexism from someone at DU geek tragedy Feb 2014 #63

Greatist satirist on DU! joshcryer Feb 2014 #64

Um, do you know who founded the Elizabeth Warren group? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #66

Doesn't take much to support geek tragedy Feb 2014 #68

So my non-support of a woman I disagree with MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #70

I wouldn't say that BainsBane Feb 2014 #77

Yes...you even have a woman friend....check! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #88

Some of your best friends, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #146

But not yours, eh?! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #156

E.g., MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #72

That person was trying to be clever and geek tragedy Feb 2014 #73

He's quite confused about the real difference between sexual attraction boston bean Feb 2014 #102

He is better at words than I am but you are certainly proving his point. Seeking the slightess rhett o rick Feb 2014 #150

he pulled this crap when the discussion was harassment of women in public. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #153

Relax MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #58

I see they have a "swarm" thing going. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #151

I see you have decided which "swarm" you want to be associated with...THANKS! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170

You mean the 160+ on the thread about the hostile bettyellen Feb 2014 #177

Yeah....thats what all the bigots say about Black people too! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #169

+1000000000000000000000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #54

No need to explain, I got it zeemike Feb 2014 #28

then YOU would be wrong... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #172

"which is why we groom ourselves - so people will look at us." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #29

... 2naSalit Feb 2014 #47

K&R. You took a lot of abuse in that thread LittleBlue Feb 2014 #30

Manny please explain your explanation. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #33

What amazes me is that a thread on TPP obxhead Feb 2014 #34

Manny is a lightening rod for the self-righteous bullies. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #44

He is also one of them MattBaggins Feb 2014 #86

Then why dont you put him on ignore? Or do you seek an excuse to ridicule and mock? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #149

Would you tell Black people that if he insulted them? "Just put them on ignore" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #174

I believe Manny is the one who has posted numerous threads about the Squinch Feb 2014 #202

Clearly projection. While Manny may find some posts objectionable, ridicule and mocking are tools rhett o rick Feb 2014 #204

Clearly basic observation. And you made the rules about "quit yer damn complainin and just Squinch Feb 2014 #208

I am disappointed at your total misrepresentation of what I said. I guess it makes it easier rhett o rick Feb 2014 #211

You know you're going in circles, don't you? You tell people to put those they object to on Squinch Feb 2014 #212

Once again you change my words. I suggest that the bullies be put on ignore. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #218

but you're pissed off that Manny is mocked and ridiculed by DUers? and loved by Tea-Baggers? bettyellen Feb 2014 #214

so sit back and SHUT UP women....right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #173

You're god damned right! obxhead Feb 2014 #200

So we should SHUT UP until....YOUR pet issue is addressed with the respect YOU think it VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #201

No I don't think you should shut up obxhead Feb 2014 #209

The Tiffany cover of that song was much more offensive than your thread. Orrex Feb 2014 #40

omg. you are right. yes. yes. I do think we found something more offensive. Proof here: Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #43

Yup! That would be proof right there! 2naSalit Feb 2014 #51

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #56

I thought it was a great post, Manny, Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #41

I thought so too. 2naSalit Feb 2014 #52

He who laughs last jtuck004 Feb 2014 #42

The problem is that we have a lot of faux liberals posting here. Closed-minded conservatives rhett o rick Feb 2014 #45

Risky asking African Americans to lighten up because it never occurred to him bettyellen Feb 2014 #140

So I am a "clueless ass"? I guess you are stepping forward to prove my point. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #148

If you post suggestions to people on topics you're bettyellen Feb 2014 #158

YES you are if YOU think that calling others NOT"true Liberals" for taking the opposing position VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #178

"true liberals".....do you really want to go down THAT road? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #176

"deconstructing everything in search of nefarious stuff" joshcryer Feb 2014 #55

I liked it. It was funny. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #62

and maybe YOU are wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #179

right Chaco Dundee Feb 2014 #65

What we do need to protect the world from is ... 1000words Feb 2014 #71

I thought it was the Civil Rights Act of 1964? BainsBane Feb 2014 #78

I'm still not sure you are not a woman. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #74

That's an interesting thought. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2014 #81

I'm still not sure you are a troll Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #80

No worries. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #147

P.W.'s post needs extra props for the use of "seabeyond sockpuppet." Botany Feb 2014 #217

But it is unfortunate when people buy into the corporate stereotypes about what is and is not JDPriestly Feb 2014 #76

I'm just glad you didn't pull out the Big Ten Inch! adirondacker Feb 2014 #83

The purpose of the thread was to show your support, boston bean Feb 2014 #92

Manny, You're our DU pastor! defacto7 Feb 2014 #97

mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them JTFrog Feb 2014 #98

That song was written from the point of view of a twenty-something, not a fifty something. pnwmom Feb 2014 #100

If you say so! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #108

Deconstructing everything The Straight Story Feb 2014 #109

So, it was just as stupid and asinine as I thought? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #110

+1 gollygee Feb 2014 #111

FWIW, I got it, loved it, shared it. OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2014 #117

Its a tough job being one of DU's High Priests of Liberalism. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #118

Or Elizabeth Warren. Squinch Feb 2014 #123

+1 JoePhilly Feb 2014 #127

I am guessing you think it's soo much easier to be a conservative. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #219

I'm often a fan of your OPs TBF Feb 2014 #119

so do you think that feminists have gone overboard in their control and domination of media and Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #121

Now now Warren JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #126

+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #175

I hope you see how quickly now certain people will throw tar and feathers at you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #129

Over a web site? JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #130

If you have been here a decade or more, it becomes a part of your presence, your identity. Bonobo Feb 2014 #131

Hmmm JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #133

Thank you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #135

You feel this website is so important ... 1000words Feb 2014 #185

Prove where I have JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #192

It was alerted multiple times. 1000words Feb 2014 #194

Uh JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #195

Reacting to someone's behavior (as opposed to their exterior) bettyellen Feb 2014 #143

Manny I am a supporter of your politics but I'm a woman first. It is hurtful to me that people seaglass Feb 2014 #132

Yep, he decided to make GD more hostile with bettyellen Feb 2014 #141

+1 Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #181

But BAGELS! hootinholler Feb 2014 #137

I truly hope so or I'm gonna be in a world of trouble. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #142

I tried the gefilte fish Manny suggested and this Goyem is fine. Autumn Feb 2014 #145

154 replies, over 3,000 views for this thread Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #155

Some people in this thread posted or recced some of those threads Autumn Feb 2014 #157

Yep. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #162

Sorry, Manny..... Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #159

I'm with you Bobbie Jo. great white snark Feb 2014 #196

Someone here compared a thirty year old bettyellen Feb 2014 #199

It's either an extreme analogies, or those he seems unaware are bettyellen Feb 2014 #198

Most young ones learn to separate 'words in a song as fantasy, kind of like a cartoon princess... Tikki Feb 2014 #163

I'm sorry your post demonstrating cluelessness did not get the reaction you wanted. jeff47 Feb 2014 #164

This ^^^ nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #210

Meanwhile.... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #171

Amid all these attacks on you Union Scribe Feb 2014 #183

I find it fascinating BainsBane Feb 2014 #184

Lol. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #189

It's an observation of behavior, of patterns BainsBane Feb 2014 #193

Hot DAMN Number23 Feb 2014 #216

+1 n/t JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #227

Gosh darned you! H2O Man Feb 2014 #190

Well... It got high praise on the usual right wing web sites that watch DU Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #191

Really?? Well, that's logical. Squinch Feb 2014 #203

I looked. OMG, he's their HERO! He must be so proud. Squinch Feb 2014 #206

And you just won the thread. Though it's so interesting that there is a loud small group Number23 Feb 2014 #215

I'm with Manny. K&R! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #205

As it was pointed out up thread.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #220

Why do you love the TPP? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #222

Nice try, Manny Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #223

So you're an enabler, not a "basher"? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #224

I'm not an enabler or a basher. I'm a Dem. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #225

You see it's an issue that can divide DU treestar Feb 2014 #221

What I find kind of funny in this... NCTraveler Feb 2014 #228