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kdmorris

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39. I am not intentionally ignoring anything.

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 09:28 PM

Mar 2012

Of course there isn't justification for use of force when there is an unreasonable fear. The ONLY point of my statement was a black man WOULD have been arrested. The white man was NOT arrested.

Perhaps in the future, try not to be so snarky to people who are on the same side as you?

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Under FLA's Stand Your Ground Law, An African American Man Can Shoot Zimmerman [View all] Yavin4 Mar 2012 OP

And it would still be a violation of the victim's civil rights. no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #1

If it were any other state, I could see concerned legislators gathering to ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2012 #2

Almost every state has "stand your ground" type laws. TheWraith Mar 2012 #16

It has had a chilling effect here in Florida csziggy Mar 2012 #50

It tripled "justifiable homicides". I believe that officially qualifies as "blood in the streets". ieoeja Mar 2012 #63

No, it didn't. TheWraith Mar 2012 #68

But would people call it a hate crime johnnie Mar 2012 #3

No, they'd call it a hate crime because of Zimmerman's own comments on tape csziggy Mar 2012 #52

Sounds right to me Politicalboi Mar 2012 #4

No, only caucasians have the right to shoot anybody under this law tularetom Mar 2012 #5

Then how did it apply to Zimmerman, an Hispanic? . . . Journeyman Mar 2012 #8

Because Latinos come in every shade of the rainbow EFerrari Mar 2012 #12

He is a white Hispanic, just as Salma Hayek is an Lebanese Hispanic, and tblue37 Mar 2012 #21

he is not white, he is mestizo. provis99 Mar 2012 #33

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #6

If this asshat gets away with murder, it's going to set race relations back 50 years. BlueJazz Mar 2012 #7

On Amy's show today, I heard that nearly half the states have similar laws. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #9

Not entirely, but close zipplewrath Mar 2012 #10

the real world doesn't work like that JI7 Mar 2012 #11

Under the law, technically, yes kdmorris Mar 2012 #13

That's the conclusion we reached in another thread. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #15

If he had a gun, they would use it as proof he was looking for trouble fascisthunter Mar 2012 #32

Yup. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #36

The Florida law does NOT state that ... spin Mar 2012 #23

Does not state what? kdmorris Mar 2012 #40

The enforcement of the law should be fair ... spin Mar 2012 #43

Most of the time, I feel like all of Florida is lagging behind kdmorris Mar 2012 #47

You are intentionally ignoring the requirement of reasonableness that is explicitly in the law slackmaster Mar 2012 #28

"reasonable" is from the point of view of the shooter. provis99 Mar 2012 #34

No, reasonableness ultimately gets decided by a jury in a criminal trial slackmaster Mar 2012 #37

Which is why Zimmerman is being charged by the local authorities... ellisonz Mar 2012 #38

The case has been handed over to a grand jury slackmaster Mar 2012 #42

No but criminal investigations should be... ellisonz Mar 2012 #44

George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin should have been given toxicology tests slackmaster Mar 2012 #49

Trayvon Martin would be as part of the autopsy. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #51

The family's attorney stated that toxicology tests were run on Trayvon's body. They were negative. yardwork Mar 2012 #57

The ONLY reason this case was finally handed to a grand jury is due to public outcry. yardwork Mar 2012 #56

Are you saying that the Florida SA doesn't review all homicides? slackmaster Mar 2012 #58

The police chief was quoted as saying that the DA saw no evidence to press charges. yardwork Mar 2012 #59

Wow. If that's true the problem is much bigger than Sanford PD. slackmaster Mar 2012 #60

The last three paragraphs in the article at this link: yardwork Mar 2012 #61

A lot of people are going to be very disappointed if Zimmerman isn't charged with a crime slackmaster Mar 2012 #62

I agree that it's still a possibility and if so, it will cause a huge ruckus. yardwork Mar 2012 #65

I don't know if it is the same laundry_queen Mar 2012 #45

What you have articulated sounds exactly the same as jury instructions I've gotten in the USA slackmaster Mar 2012 #48

I'm glad you got those jury instructions laundry_queen Mar 2012 #53

I am not intentionally ignoring anything. kdmorris Mar 2012 #39

We just had that discussion. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #14

You didn't read the statute? Says that only "scary" people can be shot by "scared" property-holders leveymg Mar 2012 #17

He's already be under a prison somewhere. n/t ingac70 Mar 2012 #18

I listened to Faux a few minutes ago and they are saying doc03 Mar 2012 #19

Zimmerman should never have stepped his racist ass out of his vehicle as DIRECTED by 911. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #22

Direction by 911 operators is not required to be followed ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #26

I wonder how Zimmerman got bloodied. Probably while he was attacking Trayvon. yardwork Mar 2012 #24

Me either. Especially when you listen to the two women (it's playing on CNN) ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #54

Are those the witnesses that the police kept "correcting?" yardwork Mar 2012 #55

No. He has to have reason to expect an imminent attack that would ... spin Mar 2012 #20

Not at all ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #25

No, and I feel it is counterproductive for you to post such hysterical hyperbole on this forum slackmaster Mar 2012 #27

Seconded. randome Mar 2012 #30

Should have been my son malaise Mar 2012 #29

yup.... he stalked him fascisthunter Mar 2012 #31

It's not about 'feeling threatened', as much as *some* media has been portraying it as such. X_Digger Mar 2012 #35

But since it's been a month with no arrest, Doctor_J Mar 2012 #66

It's the Sanford PD that's the root of this.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #67

He'd be under the jail ecstatic Mar 2012 #41

When in America's 236 year history would it be ok for a black man fluchen Mar 2012 #46

Thoretically. Realistically? Black man arrested in a nanosecond. -nt CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #64

I've said this exact thing since I first read about this......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #69