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delrem

(9,688 posts)
98. Here's a random article on the issue:
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:34 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/hillary-clintons-two-fore_1_b_3714765.html

"...
Secretary Clinton, in the press conference the day after the coup, "Remarks at the Top of the Daily Press Briefing", refused to commit the United States to restoration of the democratically elected President of Honduras. She refused even to commit the U.S. to using the enormous leverage it had over the Honduran Government to bring that about. Here was the relevant Q&A:

Mary Beth Sheridan. QUESTION: Madam Secretary, sorry, if I could just return for a second to Honduras, just to clarify Arshad's point - so, I mean, the U.S. provides aid both under the Foreign Assistance Act and the Millennium challenge. So even though there are triggers in those; that countries have to behave - not have coups, you're not going to cut off that aid?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, Mary Beth, we're assessing what the final outcome of these actions will be. This has been a fast-moving set of circumstances over the last several days, and we're looking at that question now. Much of our assistance is conditioned on the integrity of the democratic system. But if we were able to get to a status quo that returned to the rule of law and constitutional order within a relatively short period of time, I think that would be a good outcome. So we're looking at all of this. We're considering the implications of it. But our priority is to try to work with our partners in restoring the constitutional order in Honduras.

QUESTION: And does that mean returning Zelaya himself? You would insist on that in order to -

SECRETARY CLINTON: We are working with our partners.

She refused to answer the question, even though Zelaya had been an ally of the U.S., a progressive democrat. (Though Republicans decried Zelaya for pushing land-reform, the fact is that Honduras is virtually owned by two dozen families, and drastically needs to drag itself out of its feudal system. Doing that isn't anti-American; it's pro-American. It's what Zelaya was trying to do, peacefully and democratically. Our nation's Founders fought a Revolution to overthrow feudalism - British - in our own country. Hillary was thus being anti-American, not just anti-democratic, here.) This is stunning. The U.S had even been outright bombed by fascists, on the "day that will live in infamy," December 7, 1941; and, then, we spilled lots of blood to beat those fascists in WWII. What was that war all about, if not about opposing fascism and fascists, and standing up for democracy and democrats? A peaceful democratic U.S. ally had now been overthrown by a fascist coup in Honduras, and yet Hillary Clinton's response was - noncommittal?
..."

And so on.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband Bill are total DLC third-way corporatists.
They have the big-money corporatist backing that they do because they're both totally owned.
All Changed When The Democratic Party Sold Out To The Corporations cantbeserious Feb 2014 #1
And this mostly happened in the 1990s with the creation of the DLC. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #5
capped off with 2000/2001 reddread Feb 2014 #9
The DLC was created in 1985 by, among others, Bill Clinton and Al Gore Recursion Feb 2014 #95
Thanks..........nt Enthusiast Feb 2014 #129
yep frwrfpos Feb 2014 #10
This has been posted year after year after year by someone. Rex Feb 2014 #2
They keep forgetting that ... Scuba Feb 2014 #3
So they must discredit us because they want to continue with their malfeasance. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #8
perfect vid frwrfpos Feb 2014 #11
I play this periodically, LWolf Feb 2014 #140
This nation is clear off the tracks. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #4
yes it is frwrfpos Feb 2014 #12
It was created for just such a purpose. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #13
and racism reddread Feb 2014 #6
thank you frwrfpos Feb 2014 #7
We need to... RichGirl Feb 2014 #14
same here, certainly in the cases of serial sex offenders and lying politicians reddread Feb 2014 #17
Pretty much ever since it became clear that the President was a Conservadim. gLibDem Feb 2014 #15
Wow, seriously?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #57
He's dead, Jim uppityperson Feb 2014 #62
Again... SidDithers Feb 2014 #64
Need to get this out in public... uppityperson Feb 2014 #67
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #73
Back again already?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #74
A pity the fool.... NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #80
Because putting up with all the vitriol directed at the Obamas and Clintons from the right TheMathieu Feb 2014 #16
The "vitriol" is well-earned on the blood of dead Americans alone Demeter Feb 2014 #19
NO the vitriol isn't well earned .. it gets down dirty and ugly on the this board.. so much so Cha Feb 2014 #115
Obama and Clintons policies ARE on the right frwrfpos Feb 2014 #21
They're not allies, they are servants. A concept being removed from discussions. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #44
I tolerate it really joshcryer Feb 2014 #55
Many aren't allies, although they want to be viewed as such Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #61
and Dinos....lots of Dinos! red dog 1 Feb 2014 #94
Continuing to oppose Right Wing policies is not vitriol. It is consistency. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #87
The usual crap when the peons get restless. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #18
Oh, the drama. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #20
Dramatic Tantrum.. Cha Feb 2014 #120
you know this is an oldie now but still a goodie! snooper2 Feb 2014 #22
I don't know how I missed that!? Thanks snooper.. Cha Feb 2014 #121
Accept diversity! Divisiveness seems to be the new trend on DU. This is a good example of Coyotl Feb 2014 #23
divisiveness comes from this administration frwrfpos Feb 2014 #24
There you go again, Dem bashing and tossing in a divisive ad hominen for good measure. Coyotl Feb 2014 #36
dem bashing is what this administration does everyday frwrfpos Feb 2014 #39
There you go again, Dem bashing and being divisive. Didn't I already point that ouit? Coyotl Feb 2014 #41
no..point out the right wing love again frwrfpos Feb 2014 #49
There you go again, flame baiting and being divisive. And putting words in my mouth too now. Coyotl Feb 2014 #51
So it seems that anyone who disagrees with you is supporting right wing propaganda? Adrahil Feb 2014 #81
No. Coyotl Feb 2014 #111
Yeah, I blew it. Adrahil Feb 2014 #131
The egotistical arrogance is full blown. Cha Feb 2014 #119
Your post solidifies Ignorance of the highest order. Cha Feb 2014 #117
+10000 dionysus Feb 2014 #100
the Reaganauts were Dem a lot: Kirkpatrick hated the '72 "antiwar, antigrowth, antibusiness, MisterP Feb 2014 #25
has a lot to do with it frwrfpos Feb 2014 #26
The Harlem Globetrotters vs. The Washington Generals, except they take turns being Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #47
lame JI7 Feb 2014 #27
I don't think it is ok but at the same time I'm not into all the Obama bashing either. nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #28
Back in the '60s/'70s it was the loyal LBJ/Scoop Jackson Dems that bashed the left. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #29
im old enough to remember frwrfpos Feb 2014 #30
jinx! MisterP Feb 2014 #34
K & R marble falls Feb 2014 #31
thank you frwrfpos Feb 2014 #32
They never did, except among recovering Republicans and home grown Blue Dogs Warpy Feb 2014 #33
Good post dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #88
In the House turnaround in 2010, who lost? Warpy Feb 2014 #92
Yes, Blue Dogs got hosed dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #110
Well you definitly have divisive down... giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #35
read my op frwrfpos Feb 2014 #37
I did, along with all of your silly ass replies throughout giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #40
glad you wasted time from this planet frwrfpos Feb 2014 #42
Well at least now you know what the ''gift'' is. :-/ n/t DeSwiss Feb 2014 #48
That's the whole idea! No substance at all. Coyotl Feb 2014 #38
It's obnoxious & childish, it resembles a posting from giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #43
It's chocked full of ignorance as well as being childishly obnoxious. Poor little thing Cha Feb 2014 #118
Well at least he isn't alone in his feet stomping... giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #123
Right,far from alone.. "hippie punching" lol.. I don't feel punched. :) Cha Feb 2014 #126
''Battered-Dem-Syndrome'' DeSwiss Feb 2014 #45
Awesome post, dude! Just what was needed! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #46
feel free to post about how Obama or Hillary Clinton should hold hands with republicans frwrfpos Feb 2014 #50
January 19, 2014...ROFL alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #77
You poor little abused thing.. wahwahwahwahwah... Cha Feb 2014 #116
such a kind, thoughtful, considerate post joshcryer Feb 2014 #52
its better that Hillary's support for the Honduran right wing Coup frwrfpos Feb 2014 #53
strawman joshcryer Feb 2014 #54
But you *do* recall HRC's support for the RW Honduran coup, delrem Feb 2014 #66
at most they didn't restore him like last time joshcryer Feb 2014 #72
You mean she "condemned it". delrem Feb 2014 #75
uh, no, Honduras was banned from OAS joshcryer Feb 2014 #79
You realize that you're discussing this on DU, and not Reagan/Goldwater central? delrem Feb 2014 #83
The US controls OAS. joshcryer Feb 2014 #86
Just do some reading from a prog perspective on HRC and the Honduran coup, joshcryer. delrem Feb 2014 #89
No I'm not. joshcryer Feb 2014 #91
"Our man" dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #93
Yep. joshcryer Feb 2014 #97
HRC supported the Honduran coup dictatorship. If you support HRC on Honduras '09, then own it. delrem Feb 2014 #96
Here's a random article on the issue: delrem Feb 2014 #98
So you would've supported Zelaya's return by armed force? joshcryer Feb 2014 #108
I do not support it. joshcryer Feb 2014 #101
You blame Zelaya! In order to exhonerate HRC? sheeeeit. delrem Feb 2014 #104
I blame both. joshcryer Feb 2014 #105
As I said: UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE delrem Feb 2014 #107
I've concluded you are ignorant on this subject. joshcryer Feb 2014 #109
Here, some remedial reading: delrem Feb 2014 #113
Thanks, but I have a brain. joshcryer Feb 2014 #114
Every wannabe Lanny Davis has "a brain (sic)". delrem Feb 2014 #125
Please, joshcryer...be kind to our new friend...he or she has only been here three weeks or so alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #78
Well.... Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #90
Another persecution fantasy thread creeksneakers2 Feb 2014 #56
Cannot overlook the strong possibility that sock puppets are being PAID to spread lies/propaganda. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #65
FFS... SidDithers Feb 2014 #59
Hey! It's DU... Bash, punch and bait away! MNBrewer Feb 2014 #60
I punched 8 hippies today! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #63
I got hippie punched today!.. Cha Feb 2014 #122
something Is very wrong. Whisp Feb 2014 #68
"same as last time but with different names"... SidDithers Feb 2014 #69
Our victim has had trouble expressing himself. And he got a post hidden... freshwest Feb 2014 #84
Whisp, send me a link on this Hamsher thing. I forgot what it was about, never 'got it.' TIA. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #85
this poster is only making me stronger in my resolve.. so he delivers a big Cha Feb 2014 #124
Anyone who disagres with you is a paid shill... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #70
Former hippy here, called a communist first when in fourth grade and countless times after that; struggle4progress Feb 2014 #71
When that particular poster was newer TBF Feb 2014 #133
Maybe the OP is just wedge-driving. struggle4progress Feb 2014 #135
Unfortunately TBF Feb 2014 #136
Organizing the masses still remains a good goal struggle4progress Feb 2014 #139
Personally I see that as the main goal - TBF Feb 2014 #142
There's quite a bit of cleaving... countryjake Feb 2014 #138
huh? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #76
IBTL to say... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #82
Cue the Welcome Back Kotter theme song.. dionysus Feb 2014 #99
Say hi for me! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #102
Everyone blames Nader for putting Bush in office, lob1 Feb 2014 #127
Nader told people Bush was not so bad by saying there was no difference between Bush and Gore JI7 Feb 2014 #128
!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #146
There are plenty that hit on every right wing talking point, JoeyT Feb 2014 #103
Not to mention this joint used to be a little A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #106
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Feb 2014 #112
Yep. Even NJmaverick has managed to slip back in. n/t QC Feb 2014 #141
Something is very wrong when someone thinks fighting for LGBT rights... countryjake Feb 2014 #130
hippies? reds? arely staircase Feb 2014 #132
Not to mention the fact that they are 2 different animals - TBF Feb 2014 #134
I am just wondering how the zootsuiters and flappers feel about all this. nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #143
I'm surprised they weren't included TBF Feb 2014 #145
Opposing homophobia is not 'red baiting' especially when the homophobes are not Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #137
Hippies? Reds? HappyMe Feb 2014 #144
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