Bringing up previous offenses (Reply #143)

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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 09:24 PM

NavyDem (477 posts)

143. Bringing up previous offenses

Is to establish a pattern of misconduct. It's fairly common in this day and age (in the Navy at least) to document misconduct (even smaller offenses) that lead up to a charge that can be persued.

For example: a person can be late to work which is technically failure to be at their appointed place of duty. Once in a great while, this will be overlooked. But when they make a habit of it, it starts to get documented through verbal, and then written counseling, followed by being brought up on charges.

In Manning's case, his pattern of conduct may be used to establish that he was carrying a vendetta due to being bullied, or not able to adjust to military life, etc. Granted, I don't know who that works out better for, the prosecution or the defense.

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To the Manning defenders... [View all]	Cid_B	Dec 2011	OP
I also heard that he fucks goats.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#1
And makes babies cry in order to drink their tears.	Matariki	Dec 2011	#7
While fucking goats. And looking at himself in the mirror. The horror.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#14
gee your	PatrynXX	Dec 2011	#83
Yep. It was the fireballs that convinced me. Crime in government - naah, but anal fireballs?!	saras	Dec 2011	#107
Before or after he throws them out of their incubators?	Cherchez la Femme	Dec 2011	#108
He's gay, right? He, therefore, makes baby Jesus cry.	FedUp_Queer	Dec 2011	#174
? i hadn't heard.	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#2
I've posted it more than a few times--he hit a female superior officer	msanthrope	Dec 2011	#111
i read it thru out the thread. listening to the man	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#112
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2011	#116
Deserved it?	Lisa D	Dec 2011	#119
He was reduced in rank for it. That's how he went from PVT to PFC	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#120
Whoa....whoa....whoa.....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2011	#124
The higher the monkey climbs the more he shows his ass.	AtomicKitten	Dec 2011	#125
And the decision to hide it	redqueen	Dec 2011	#203
Free Repbublic?	krucial	Dec 2011	#161
Thank you, krucial, for putting it better than I ever could.	tblue	Dec 2011	#167
+1000, brother!	pinboy3niner	Dec 2011	#170
The post that you're agreeing with supports Manning, but	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#173
Your points on Manning are not wrong....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2011	#179
Judging the message and judging the messenger can be separated...	Shoe Horn	Dec 2011	#190
"deserved it"	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#128
Technically he said "Perhaps she insulted him and deserved it." ... no need to take out of context	LooseWilly	Dec 2011	#149
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2011	#162
You're not saying that insulting someone deserves a physical response, are you?	Shoe Horn	Dec 2011	#191
I can distinguish between the two.	tblue	Dec 2011	#164
Being glad for another's straw man	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#176
To what do you refer?	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#3
As per court activities yesterday...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#13
As every single other accusation that has been presented in any case that has been presented on this	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#16
He allegedly bragged about it in this chat log:	joshcryer	Dec 2011	#22
Every dyke that I know calls themselves a dyke. (Thus, dyke march) Every gay	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#37
You asked for proof of the allegation.	joshcryer	Dec 2011	#38
I'm a lesbian	Aerows	Dec 2011	#63
I agree - however Dyke is far from offensive to the community as a whole	FreeState	Dec 2011	#129
Thank You .	unapatriciated	Dec 2011	#185
he would have to make a habit of it	PatrynXX	Dec 2011	#85
He also told the guy he was talking to precisely what he was doing...!	MADem	Dec 2011	#91
Thufferen Thapho....	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#206
Testimony by an eye-witness isn't hearsay; it's evidence.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#75
I see.	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#21
The attack on his superior officer led to his demotion in rank	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#26
I think that is a separate incident	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#29
I think the civilians writing up this stuff don't understand that a leading petty officer or other	MADem	Dec 2011	#99
I'm reading this post and wondering.	FedUp_Queer	Dec 2011	#78
It sounds to me that he is ill mentally. I hope he is getting some treatment while in custody. nt	Mojorabbit	Dec 2011	#81
Bringing up previous offenses	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#143
I'm not sure.	FedUp_Queer	Dec 2011	#172
The Manual for Courts Martial gives the rules of evidence I believe	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#177
Whether or not it's "court-martiable" is not really the issue as I see it.	FedUp_Queer	Dec 2011	#182
If they're not admissible	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#184
Am I addressing cap'n Queeg here?	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#196
TL;DR	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#198
Those poor souls...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#199
This message was self-deleted by its author	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#201
Hey smart guy...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#210
You are correct....my apologies.	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#211
It's really starting to sound like the government/military dropped the ball on this thing.	ChadwickHenryWard	Dec 2011	#110
That's a statement we ALL should be able to agree on.	MH1	Dec 2011	#139
There seemed to be very little in terms of physical or adminstrative control...	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#142
I don't understand that defense.	ChadwickHenryWard	Dec 2011	#183
I believe it's possibly angling towards an argument of entrapment.	boppers	Dec 2011	#187
And from wikipedia:	Scurrilous	Dec 2011	#25
If this is true then he most definitely is not mentally stable. n/t	vaberella	Jan 2012	#212
...to "their" cause...? To which cause do you refer? n/t	xocet	Dec 2011	#27
The cause that supports Manning and claims he is this shining light...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#62
I don't doubt that charges like these will crop up against Manning	truedelphi	Dec 2011	#88
He was demoted in rank for hitting a female soldier and on his way to being discharged.	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#93
Good to know. n/t	truedelphi	Dec 2011	#133
He doesn't get an ethical pass for that	eridani	Dec 2011	#115
+1	redqueen	Dec 2011	#204
Do you have any evidence to back up her "she said" claim? And Julian Assange is a rapist ... right?	Better Believe It	Dec 2011	#118
Here's him saying it in the chat logs	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#121
Is there any proof he actually said that?	Bjorn Against	Dec 2011	#132
I have not seen anything denying they're real	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#134
Has he publicly admitted they were real? The fact that you have not heard a denial is not evidence.	Bjorn Against	Dec 2011	#137
If they're not authentic then I'm sure Coombs will quickly bring that up in the hearing.	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#140
I've really got to start bookmarking the articles I read...	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#144
Here's one:	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#146
I don't disagree with your point at all.	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#157
Why would he bring it up if it has nothing to do with the case?	Bjorn Against	Dec 2011	#148
Why wouldn't he bring up the chat logs?	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#151
So stick to the parts that are relevant to the case.	Bjorn Against	Dec 2011	#152
I think this is relevant to what the defense is trying to say	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#158
It is much harder to forge two chat logs, on two different computers...	boppers	Dec 2011	#188
Sounds more like you migrated to the hearsay of a witness...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#168
Wow, this whole OP is a pile of out-of-context tripe spinning... spectacular!	LooseWilly	Dec 2011	#171
he struck a superior. in the military, that is not.a small issue. also "trained for combat"	stevenleser	Dec 2011	#186
All that matters to them is the war.	NutmegYankee	Dec 2011	#4
None of that happened.	truedelphi	Dec 2011	#90
He was a good QB, and his extracurriculars, say what you like, didn't affect the point spread	kenny blankenship	Dec 2011	#5
He was, but he played for a crappy team his entire career.	madinmaryland	Dec 2011	#64
???	spanone	Dec 2011	#6
My understanding is that he is being held and tried for exposing military 'secrets'--	bertman	Dec 2011	#8
+1	MichaelMcGuire	Dec 2011	#60
Yes, yes yes nt	duhneece	Dec 2011	#87
Thank you. Better answer than I could give (n/t)	bread_and_roses	Dec 2011	#95
+1	polly7	Dec 2011	#100
Hello, Mr. Flamebait.	Matariki	Dec 2011	#9
Slime as sport, what fun	DJ13	Dec 2011	#10
me thinks you have manning and that other guy assange mixed up.......	MindMover	Dec 2011	#11
Let me turn the question around	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#12
But he doesn't comment on non-existent bank prosecutions.	kenny blankenship	Dec 2011	#17
Let the court decide on that.	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#24
Oh that is but one example	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#32
I am aware of the credentials of the investigating officer, and the request that he recuse himself.	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#35
So you think somebody who is working on wiki leaks as a civillian is a-ok?	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#36
He doesn't work on Wikileaks for the DoJ	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#39
What I think doesn't matter in the legal sense,	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#40
We part company... court misconduct	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#45
Where was it reported that the investigating officer worked on the Wikileaks case?	Azathoth	Dec 2011	#41
Among other places, Countdown	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#44
This isn't an example at all -- you're simply asserting something without any documentary evidence	Azathoth	Dec 2011	#47
Ok, you asked and you did not like	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#49
No, I asked for an answer but you apparently didn't have one	Azathoth	Dec 2011	#51
Au cntrainere I gave you an answer	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	Obamanaut	Dec 2011	#200
Countdown misspoke, if they did say such a thing. There is no conflict of interest.	MADem	Dec 2011	#102
He doesn't work on Wikileaks for the DoJ	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#46
Ah, the plot thickens	Azathoth	Dec 2011	#48
It doesn't matter. Obama already pronounced Manning guilty	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#55
+1000!	Shining Jack	Dec 2011	#192
It is transparently ridiculous for this individual to be assigned this case given	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#54
lol, so we're playing six degrees of Eric Holder now?	Azathoth	Dec 2011	#59
Nope. He works for Eric Holder. That's no degrees. nt	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#79
Are you sure, nadin?	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#50
That is why defense asked him to recuse himself	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#66
No, it's not.	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#71
I still respect the weapons inspection work of Scott Ritter.	Gregorian	Dec 2011	#15
Yes, punching a female soldier is why he was demoted in rank. n/t	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#18
Bring charges on this matter and we will examine the merits of them.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#19
you're first post expressing a concern about someone being beat up	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#20
Must resist my grammar nazi urges....	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#52
yes, by all means, correct the mangled word	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#53
..........	Angry Dragon	Dec 2011	#23
how many people has he murdered by way of drone attacks? nt	msongs	Dec 2011	#28
What does that have to do with anything?	RZM	Dec 2011	#101
...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#166
I am unaware of anything negative he's done.	Fire Walk With Me	Dec 2011	#30
I salute bradley Manning	William769	Dec 2011	#31
How many Iraqi civilians did he kill?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2011	#33
Oskar Schindler cheated on his wife and clusterfucked every business he ever ran...	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#34
I know of other civil rights leaders who cheated on their wife	duhneece	Dec 2011	#89
I know Eli had a bad game but this is a little harsh	Ter	Dec 2011	#42
The Straw Men are strong in this one.	Hissyspit	Dec 2011	#43
Hey now! If it weren't for "strawmen", we would have missed out on this splendeforous thread!	Behind the Aegis	Dec 2011	#56
If it weren't for straw men	pscot	Dec 2011	#106
LOL, that's perfect (n/t)	bread_and_roses	Dec 2011	#97
Sorry, that's not the issue	Betty Karlson	Dec 2011	#57
It shows his character...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#58
You're twisting my words	Betty Karlson	Dec 2011	#61
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2011	#84
Character and motivations are irrelevant	eridani	Dec 2011	#135
"Any man who would hit a woman because of his own issues is a shitbag. "	Shining Jack	Dec 2011	#193
yawn	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#194
Yawn?	Shining Jack	Dec 2011	#197
i saw what you did there...	dionysus	Dec 2011	#67
few people on planet earth are with out character defects and moral holes in them.	xchrom	Dec 2011	#68
Correct...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#69
i'm sure you have a few character defects that stand out for me as well. nt	xchrom	Dec 2011	#72
To be sure...	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#73
Kick the true weakling when he's down	Laughing Mirror	Dec 2011	#77
Bradley Manning is like Robert Novak?...	SidDithers	Dec 2011	#70
Indeed. Weren't we pissed about what Novak did? nt	msanthrope	Dec 2011	#113
Apparently, Novak was just a whistleblower...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2011	#114
I don't get this 'but he never killed anybody' business	RZM	Dec 2011	#103
It takes less nerve to hold up Manning than to make a post like this without	Vinnie From Indy	Dec 2011	#74
You don't like witness statements ?	Cid_B	Dec 2011	#92
The guy is guilty and should be jailed	surfdog	Dec 2011	#76
Peyton or Eli?	Charlemagne	Dec 2011	#80
The testimony so far has been jaw-dropping.	AtomicKitten	Dec 2011	#82
Bradley Manning was / continues to only care about himself.	chrisa	Dec 2011	#86
And where did you get your degree in psychology?	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#117
Can't prove me wrong, eh?	chrisa	Dec 2011	#126
Maybe use your Google and search "proving a negative". nt	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#131
So?	eridani	Dec 2011	#136
There is no question that a lot of good has come from	chrisa	Dec 2011	#145
I could care less who he is as a person	eridani	Dec 2011	#155
Excellent post in a sea of questional motivations	AuntPatsy	Dec 2011	#207
Says who?	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#163
It's my opinion. Like I said above, think what you want of it.	chrisa	Dec 2011	#178
I will think what I want of it...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#181
Pay phones, that only take 35 cents, still exist?	boppers	Dec 2011	#189
Well, I remember one in TX costing 10cents outside and HEB store!	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#208
The REAL Question is....	fascisthunter	Dec 2011	#94
This thread on the homepage is why unrec needs to come back	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#96
Can not erase the fact	krucial	Dec 2011	#98
I find it sad that...	Shipwack	Dec 2011	#105
I'm surprised there is this much controversy... no reason to complicate this.	Shipwack	Dec 2011	#104
You do know that the Army doesn't have sailors right? nt	NavyDem	Dec 2011	#130
Dear Cid--thank you for exposing this. When I posted it yesterday, 'crickets.'	msanthrope	Dec 2011	#109
Exposing what?	Hissyspit	Dec 2011	#122
classic GOP-style smear campaign -- it's a shame some in our party are so threatened by Manning	nashville_brook	Dec 2011	#127
You are right	krucial	Dec 2011	#156
News to me, but it's not his personal life that draws accolades.	Deep13	Dec 2011	#123
You do realize Manning is more than likely Transgender?	FreeState	Dec 2011	#138
Um, I hope I'm not being insensitive in some way, but why would it be relevant?	MH1	Dec 2011	#147
There is no he if Manning identifies as female.	FreeState	Dec 2011	#150
Yeah, but didn't he report to duty as a male?	MH1	Dec 2011	#153
Mannings supervisors knew of Mannings gender identity	FreeState	Dec 2011	#154
Because it has nothing to do with his status as a whitsleblower or the way he's been treated?	Puregonzo1188	Dec 2011	#141
I thought Manning was being defended against the false charges of being a traitor?	DirkGently	Dec 2011	#159
I'd rather defend a bad guy who did right	TomClash	Dec 2011	#160
You appear to have an agenda...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#165
Plus 10,000 and then 10,000 more	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#175
Wow! the shallow sanctimony here is strange and profound.	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#169
Well, let's at least rec each other...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2011	#180
Adrian....is that you. nt nr	ooglymoogly	Dec 2011	#195
He beat a woman, therefor he lost his 4th and 6th Amendment rights.	Bucky	Dec 2011	#202
+1	redqueen	Dec 2011	#205
+1 again	MNBrewer	Dec 2011	#209
I separate the art from the artist, the cause from the individual, etc...	LanternWaste	Mar 2012	#213
+1 nt	ooglymoogly	Apr 2012	#214

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