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In reply to the discussion: What's your position on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)67. I just spoke up in the post right above yours.
But it doesn't look like DU has any globalists.
Not sure how you define "globalist". I believe in international negotiated solutions to global problems rather than unilateral actions by any one country. I believe there is no "invisible hand" that causes each country pursuing its own self-interest to somehow result in the greatest common good.
Those that you refer to are those that won't commit. They are loyalists with no thoughts of their own. They are against those that are opposed but they wont commit to supporting globalization.
As I posted above, I won't commit to supporting an agreement that I do not believe is an effective negotiated international solution.
A globalist does not support every international agreement any more than an "anti-globalist" opposes every international agreement (although the "anti-globalists" on the far-right could prove me wrong on that).
I suspect that if you and I agree on the need to raise taxes on the rich, fund an effective safety net, empower unions and a host of other policies, you would not say "that I am just a loyalist with no thought of my own".
I support globalization. 75-80% of the world's people are substantially better off than they were 20 years ago. The bottom 5% and those in the 75th to 90th percentile of income (the middle class in the West) are not better off. And the top 5% (especially top 1%) have seen tremendous gains.
Rather than reversing the gains of the 75-80%, I submit it is preferable to go after the top 5% (particularly the top 1%) through higher taxes and other progressive policies and build a stronger Western middle class that way. That is what progressive countries already do. Perhaps we should do the same.
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The only plausible advantages would result from high standards on labor rights and
pampango
Feb 2014
#6
If we could put together a high standards agreement like European countries have
pampango
Feb 2014
#19
How can we "put together a high standards agreement" when only corporations are involved? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#28
Do you REALLY think that those corporate types who are the only ones writing this will do this?
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#41
I think most treaties are negotiated in secret, at least on the most contentious issues.
pampango
Feb 2014
#54
And whistle blowers like Wikileaks receive leaked documents and post them for the public
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#5
Do you have anything to add to this discussion one way or the other? Do you support the TPP? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#21
You guys never commit yourselves do you? Always have a rationalization for not committing.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#24
You raised a great question. Why does the admin want this? I dare one of the Loyalists to answer.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#29
"...it seems like we, the people, have no voice here." Wow. The irony stuns. "We the people..."
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2014
#47
I think it's very telling that at this point with 82 votes, 100% agree that the TPP
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#42
Wikileaks already told us what is in part of it. Thanks Wikileaks, our own Congress
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#65
Paul Krugman thinks it's not a big deal at all. But Nobel schnobel, what does he know.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#51
If they were "globalists" they would speak up. But it doesnt look like DU has any globalists.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#62
I guess I didnt recognize you as "a globalist" your exception proves the rule.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#74
I think you're right. On the left "globalization" has become a code word for corporatization.
pampango
Feb 2014
#75
Don't have a position yet, because it hasn't been released. Krugman isn't that
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#66
According to what I just heard today on the radio, it will give companies the right to
Cleita
Feb 2014
#68
Maybe not exactly match. but that's the general direction these things go --- Down
Armstead
Feb 2014
#70
I'm going to insist it'll never happen, and if it does, find a way to defend it
whatchamacallit
Feb 2014
#72
Oil will be transported one way or the other. Rail, truck or pipeline. I support the lessor of the
Purveyor
Feb 2014
#76
This thread is about the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Were you addressing the XL-Pipeline issue? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#77