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Chorophyll

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24. This country loves its guns.

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:08 PM

Mar 2012

Personally, I don't understand the fascination and I won't go near one. But a good portion of DU seems to be enamored of firearms, and it always surprises me.

To your point about that poor kid in Florida, I have NEVER heard of a neighborhood watch volunteer running around armed. This guy seems to be a loose cannon (unfortunate pun) and it was a matter of time before he shot someone. Too bad he didn't shoot himself first.

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When the fuck are we going to have some laws passed on guns? [View all] jillan Mar 2012 OP

There will never be meaningful federal gun control legislation passed in this country ever again. sadbear Mar 2012 #1

Sadly I agree nt XanaDUer Mar 2012 #8

Sadly, I disagree gratuitous Mar 2012 #13

What laws would you propose? Throd Mar 2012 #2

+1 The most important question of all USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #33

Let's ban crime instead! appal_jack Mar 2012 #69

Never, hopefully Aerows Mar 2012 #3

+1. Aerows is awesome. nt Codeine Mar 2012 #7

+10000 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #18

It always amazes me when people are so ready to give up their rights. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #28

Not to mention it's naive to think we can coerce people into being good. TheWraith Mar 2012 #29

+1 Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #39

YES + 500. Dems want to lose? Ban guns! banned from Kos Mar 2012 #46

In all fairness, savalez Mar 2012 #77

I'm sure the Iragis, Afgans and Paks feel the same way. L0oniX Mar 2012 #4

They did butterfly77 Mar 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #6

Never, our society is progressing backwards. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #9

There are thousands of gun laws...what would you suggest? sikorsky Mar 2012 #10

By not having laws saying it's okay to shoot someone that you don't like. jillan Mar 2012 #14

Well, I see you have no knowledge about guns, so I think I'll just skip this discussion sikorsky Mar 2012 #19

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #26

WE do NOT have background checks in Arizona - and who do you think you are calling me 'dear'? jillan Mar 2012 #43

Yes you do. It is a federal law. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #62

Not at gun shows. Undercover police have gone in and purchased guns without a background check. jillan Mar 2012 #65

Yes, federal law applies at gun shows. X_Digger Mar 2012 #70

Please read the article more carefully. Private, unlicensed people can sell used firearms... slackmaster Mar 2012 #75

... guitar man Mar 2012 #32

WE do NOT have background checks in Arizona - all you need is an gov't id. jillan Mar 2012 #44

Not exactly true OPOS Mar 2012 #52

Untrue. If you buy through an FFL you must, by federal law, undergo a NICS check. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #63

But they are not being done - here - jillan Mar 2012 #66

As stated in the cited article, "private and unlicensed sellers" don't have to do background checks slackmaster Mar 2012 #73

To purchase a firearm at a licensed dealer guitar man Mar 2012 #67

Much of what you want is already in place or shown to be ineffective ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #36

I was going to do a point by point refutation, but others have beat me to it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #40

How about the "background check" one? savalez Mar 2012 #56

They're talking past each other.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #58

It's not OK to shoot someone that you don't like. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #60

When it happens it will seem out of the blue nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #11

And there will inevitably be those who will say ... Speck Tater Mar 2012 #12

Oh yeah - that argument was made when Gabby Giffords was shot. jillan Mar 2012 #16

Around here, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who'd say that. The Doctor. Mar 2012 #23

Not likely.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #15

That is so depressing. jillan Mar 2012 #17

Ehn, depends on your perspective.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #20

I disagree; it's actually quite encouraging! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #42

Let's pass laws on racism.. sendero Mar 2012 #21

This FL thing will open some eyes. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #22

This country loves its guns. Chorophyll Mar 2012 #24

The insane hate, bigotry and ignorance felix_numinous Mar 2012 #25

There are many laws. A simple Google would have informed you of that. The Doctor. Mar 2012 #27

How about background checks before someone could purchase a firearm for starters? jillan Mar 2012 #41

background checks are already required guitar man Mar 2012 #49

They are not required in Arizona -not sure about other states. jillan Mar 2012 #53

They are required when you purchase from a federally licensed dealer. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #61

If buying from a federally licensed firearms dealer guitar man Mar 2012 #74

NICS- National Instant Crime Check System OPOS Mar 2012 #51

I was referring to Gabe Zimmerman, Gabby Giffords aide that was shot and killed. jillan Mar 2012 #55

The "stand your ground" law was the problem here. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #30

Actually, no the defense that Zimmerman is relying on would be precluded by FL law.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #35

Actually it is not ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #37

I disagree. I don't believe Zimmerman's behavior can be justified under Florida law because... slackmaster Mar 2012 #64

We FIRST need a more progressive congress PERIOD and we can get all the laws we want passed uponit7771 Mar 2012 #31

Because there are none now Fla_Democrat Mar 2012 #34

It will never happen so long as some people use irrational fear to pit people against each other LonePirate Mar 2012 #38

If all Really people... Mar 2012 #45

Violent crime is at a decades-long low. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #47

You are incorrect. You do not need a permit to carry a weapon into a bar in all states - google it. jillan Mar 2012 #50

It's not legal to transfer a machine gun in the manner you described ANYWHERE in the US slackmaster Mar 2012 #57

"anyone in my state walk into a gun show and buy a machine gun with just a driver's license and Edweird Mar 2012 #59

Here jillan Mar 2012 #68

jillian, this may seem "picky" to you but neither of those stories involves sales of machine guns slackmaster Mar 2012 #72

First of all, lets dispell your hysteria OPOS Mar 2012 #80

Completely Agree and I'm surprised at how hard this message is to say even here... /nt jimlup Mar 2012 #48

Do that and kiss the purple states goodbye. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #54

For the while being fujiyama Mar 2012 #71

Maybe we should lean on "responsible" gun-owners to push for harsher penalties sadbear Mar 2012 #76

Actually, they have.. via.. get this.. the NRA. X_Digger Mar 2012 #79

Certainly such a powerful lobby would have more success? sadbear Mar 2012 #81

You should educate yourself on the subject badtoworse Mar 2012 #78

Please repost in Gun Control & RKBA tammywammy Mar 2012 #82