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In reply to the discussion: Fuck. [View all]DonViejo
(60,536 posts)361. I don't need your condescension either...
like I told Sabrina, I'm well aware of the suicide rate owing not only to my ability to read newspapers/magazine/web site articles about it but, more importantly for me, from my work with vets at the local VA hospital. She didn't "set me straight" on anything but, please continue to believe she did if it helps you to feel better about her comments.
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Oh I think thats absolutely insane. But the OP missed the point. Chris Hayes got it right though.
phleshdef
Jan 2014
#6
Our government doesn't give half a shit what other governments do to their own people
yurbud
Jan 2014
#601
I read recently that 18 veterans of these horrendous, WRONG, wars commit suicide in this country
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#59
Odd, that makes two people less interested in the suicide rate among veterans
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#254
Thank you. The information on the breakfasts had just been sent to me by a Veteran.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#497
I believe I already provided you with that information. Yes, I was misinformed and corrected it
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#496
Would you like some information on the suicide rate among the troops which was my
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#259
We just lost a veteran also. You wanted to play a game, and it disgusted me, sorry.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#277
No, you're not sorry for any pain and harm that happened to me or my family which I deliberately
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#291
Standing up for the troops has always been a 'disgusting run' to those who have supported
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#544
Yuck indeed. Yuck to war, yuck to lies about war. Yuck to wars for profit, yuck to sending
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#613
You respond to news of her brother's suicide by claiming she won a "tiny Internet game?"
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#374
Wow. Can't address what I say so you twist it all up to try to make me have said
cui bono
Jan 2014
#299
That's the tactic. Bvar posted wmws's description of internet deflection tactics below and what
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#559
Oh, and your moral judgment of me after you incorrectly decided what I thought was fine with you.
cui bono
Jan 2014
#576
"because you thought it more important to defend an anonymous Internet poster than show compassion
cui bono
Jan 2014
#581
First of all, I edited my post while you were responding because I can see what you're saying
cui bono
Jan 2014
#584
I have asked you several times now to stop following me around this forum and using your
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#630
I expect you will admonish the poster who just attacked my post regarding the veterans I mentioned
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#435
You're missing what she was referring to then. She's not talking about the subject matter,
cui bono
Jan 2014
#563
Just because someone loses a brother to suicide and mentions it in a long winded post
cui bono
Jan 2014
#570
Worked on the 08 and 2012 elections but always knew that he will only do as...
axollot
Jan 2014
#664
I'm really sorry you were treated that way. I know that several years ago we learned that the troops
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#545
It's astonishing and it isn't just recent, it goes back several years apparently. I was
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#446
Lots of young people "volunteer" without knowing anything about what they're getting themselves
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#162
Lots of people volunteer because that is the only way they see to get out of poverty.
Sirveri
Jan 2014
#218
His take is very rational and an empathetic person. I can see that those that can justify
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#21
Going to war in any of those countries would have been completely unjustified in the first place
quinnox
Jan 2014
#83
because the "Last thing" one would want to do is "give him any credit"
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#244
Do you ever give any thought to the thousands of our troops who are still dying
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#272
We WERE in Libya and are behind the scenes in Egypt and Syria using our 'proxy' armies
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#100
No, Bush would have WANTED to go to Syria, there is no question about that, but the world
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#266
if you didn't watch the SOTU last night....you have no reason to take a position
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#459
I didn't see you point out any hypocrisy. Nor did I see anyone 'just accepting someone else's
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#546
Lol, you sound frustrated. Can't say I blame you. If I realized that a vast majority of
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#555
Oh goody...here comes page seven in the manual...when you accuse me of hysterics
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#561
Why, has that happened to you a lot? You seem to have a lot of bad experiences
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#564
This soldier voluntarily went back time and again. I think the OP is very wrong, also.
secondwind
Jan 2014
#482
You didn't get the reason???? Because we have idiots who want war with Iran....
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#35
Ah, don't let it get you down, Ms. Not everyone is willing to cheer the product of endless war.
morningfog
Jan 2014
#91
Neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use the name of the soldier you are so outraged about.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#102
Again--neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use Sgt. Remsburg's name or rank in your pursuit
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#136
So you didn't actually watch the SOTU? How did you.miss his name and rank, then?
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#317
Didn't even have to look, I knew it was you. You should be ashamed of using the troops
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#443
Pointing out that neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use the name of the soldier
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#370
Most people don't engage I've noticed. You're right, never ending repetitive 'argle bargle'.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#549
It worked. We should be ashamed of war. We should be ashamed of 10 deployments.We should be ashamed.
The Wielding Truth
Jan 2014
#393
I see a lot of progressives here, whom I respect, saying the same things that did see the speech
quinnox
Jan 2014
#249
Yeah....right...I see ALOT of the same people who all claim not to have seen it...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#252
he's trying to make a point that the saber-rattlers dont want to hear.
BlancheSplanchnik
Jan 2014
#378
I think the point is missed here. President Obama had a personal relationship with that soldier.
kelliekat44
Jan 2014
#15
I have nothing to add. You said it well. Fuck those that use war for profit or political gain.
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#24
Really? Joe Biden, Elijah Cummings, Nancy Pelosi, John Lewis, Michelle Obama, Dr. Biden, John Kerry
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#26
Benefit??? What benefit did you or that soldier get? The point your President made was that
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#53
"My favorites are all the people commenting who didn't even bother to watch it. Ridiculous."
Number23
Jan 2014
#248
I must have missed the part when he said we were pulling all the troops out of Afghanistan
dflprincess
Jan 2014
#80
+1 brush. In my 60+ years I have never heard a POTUS say that, ever. It's major...
Hekate
Jan 2014
#456
Thank you....it's as if the OP didn't hear any of the remarks on Iran, and simply refused to
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#41
Note that the OP couldn't be bothered to learn the name of the soldier he was outraged over, either.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#116
I've supported POTUS since the beginning but I have to agree and have nothing to add. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Jan 2014
#36
You're comparing accidentally mistargeting a warship in the middle of a desperate war for survival..
ConservativeDemocrat
Jan 2014
#599
I get it - as a (Neo)Conservative Democrat, you like it when the U.S. flexes its military muscle.
Maedhros
Jan 2014
#623
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply anyone who was against the wars should feel guilt.
Chiquitita
Jan 2014
#349
Honoring this man's sense of duty and his sacrifice was the right thing to do,
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#42
No. Nobody was using him. His Commander-in-Chief asked him to come--and
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#84
No, people are attempting to use the President honoring him as a prop to criticize.
phleshdef
Jan 2014
#204
He's not a poster boy for anything. He's a man who answered the call, and served, and
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#108
I'm sorry that it happened to your family. Not everyone experiences things the same way,
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#179
That was exactly the point, that this was a fucked up war that needs to be stopped.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#239
Exactly. To me, it said, "Here's the fucking meat grinder you all happily put these soldiers through
kysrsoze
Jan 2014
#66
I'm old enough to remember what happened to Vietnam veterans when they returned home.
blue neen
Jan 2014
#62
Thank you, and you are correct, we were applauding him ... unfortunately ,,,
MindMover
Jan 2014
#104
Not only saw it happen, but was there when one of the spitters got his jaw busted ...
MindMover
Jan 2014
#234
Sorry, I refuse to deny and further dishonor those vets. From one who was there:
blue neen
Jan 2014
#419
Wow said person been here since 2001 and JUST started posting, you should feel honored!
Rex
Jan 2014
#137
Set the record straight about what? Votes in the US Senate? Or, speeches as a State Senator in IL?
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2014
#171
He's also on record for increasing the SS cap, & advocating against mandated insurance. -nt
CrispyQ
Jan 2014
#397
And that was EXACTLY the point that was made. EXACTLY. Too bad some of us missed it. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#78
I saw the speech you did. And I saw a family that wanted to be there and didn't feel used.
pnwmom
Jan 2014
#85
Subtle to whom? The drunk Speaker, perhaps. The utterly clueless, maybe. But to the rest of us,
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#112
It's amazing--a whole OP, and we can't be bothered to use the name or rank of the person we are
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#147
"people might mistake the whole charade for war porn" - Yes, people who didn't pay attention
NYC Liberal
Jan 2014
#114
Fuckin Will. Would your kindly post a freaking link to the part that I missed.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#115
You couldn't be bothered to use the soldier's name or rank in your OP. Perhaps, in your outrage,
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#140
And shit???? Expecting you to actually use the name of the person you are outraged about
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#158
Will couldn't be bothered to use his name or rank in the OP. Which isn't something I would accept
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#161
Will wasn't USING the soldier to make his point. That would be disrespectful.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#288
Hey Sabrina...upthread Snopes disproved the RW talking point you posted about
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#318
Revealing her source of her claim could prove pretty interesting. The use of RW
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#337
You should be ashamed of yourself for using the troops for political purposes.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#447
This is why I don't watch SOTU speeches. Every single president, it doesn't matter who it is
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#146
Many? It is a tiny amount of the posters in this thread - but don't let reality stop you.
Rex
Jan 2014
#198
The point most people got? 'We have to continually FIGHT for our 'freedoms'.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#502
what is this bullshit? PBO is not free to whip out the "EFFIN'" and ""SCUMBASTARDS"
BlancheSplanchnik
Jan 2014
#160
oh, we should just forget that he bluntly said the sexist pay gap is wrong?
BlancheSplanchnik
Jan 2014
#216
I felt like I was watching a scene from the Hunger Games when they were clapping for that soldier .
4edwards
Jan 2014
#174
Me too. A lot of blood has been spilled so politicians could look like a "Strong leader".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#666
In other words, there is no more Unrec to offset the Recs. That is all that signifies.
Hekate
Jan 2014
#214
You're welcome! Check out the jury results on my post for another well needed chuckle
Number23
Jan 2014
#465
The entirety of what Obama actually said after the applause for Cory:
A-Schwarzenegger
Jan 2014
#224
Iraq was not 'for our freedom'! Iraq was a lie as everyone surely knows by now.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#262
Obama never said Iraq was for freedom, his POINT was to honor those the war devastated.
SunSeeker
Jan 2014
#275
Exactly, he tied 'our freedoms' to the troops' sacrifices and that is an outright lie.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#661
This implies tha Afghanistan was somehow vital to our freedom and democracy, but the truth is
grahamhgreen
Jan 2014
#532
Obama NEVER said Iraq was about freedom. He always said it was a mistake and stupid.
SunSeeker
Jan 2014
#289
Iraq was NOT a mistake. It was a LIE that was supposed to last 'months, weeks maybe'. It is a CRIME
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#293
Sigh! If an elected official is more stupid than the average voter who begged them not to believe
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#301
BS. He has said in earlier speeches that America gave Iraq a chance for freedom.
Vattel
Jan 2014
#645
Trifecta: You lie AND link to a right wing rag AND it doesn't even support your claim.
SunSeeker
Feb 2014
#673
If you Googled the transcript, you wouldn't get a lying RW article with no transcript.
SunSeeker
Feb 2014
#681
The quote I used wasn't truncated. It was the full quote you used to defend your silly position.
Vattel
Feb 2014
#687
Wrong again. He said our soldiers' "sacrifices" gave Iraq the chance at self-determination.
Vattel
Feb 2014
#689
I think you might have been so discouraged (understandably) that you misinterpreted a
anAustralianobserver
Jan 2014
#246
I wonder if there would have been as much outrage from Will and his contingency...
llmart
Jan 2014
#514
It was in the context of ending 'permanent war' policies - it was his 10th deployment.
blm
Jan 2014
#365
Correct. This wasn't that hard. A. This is what war does. B. Let's stop them now. C. This soldier
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#674
WilliamPitt Hates Obama... in other news, bears do something that stinks really bad in wooded areas
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#386
Would you rather wounded soldiers be hidden away as to not offend your tender sensibilities?
Politicub
Jan 2014
#413
when you look at the faces of the republican side and their smiles...I see your point
Demonaut
Jan 2014
#424
Back in the Vietnam era, we got more real war coverage. Under Reagan and Bush-I,
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#460
Thirteen years of reading you and you have never been more correct or to the point.
CBGLuthier
Jan 2014
#464
He changed the same couple lines twice---- (ruined soldiers didn't sound so good)
snooper2
Jan 2014
#479
That was my take too, especially and pointedly "10 deployments". Perhaps that was the point.
txwhitedove
Jan 2014
#500
"Tough on terra'", "Real Leader", political PR like it was in Vietnam.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#657
Wow, over 300 recommends, and its driving a certain very devoted segment crazy
quinnox
Jan 2014
#587
In 601 posts I counted 4 jury hides and 5 self deletes. You call this a massacre?
Hekate
Jan 2014
#605