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AnotherDreamWeaver

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208. #l. I don't know that the people targeted at Normandy were really enemy Combatants.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 02:02 AM
Mar 2012

Question #2 is an incomplete sentence. I imagine you intended to have a "you" contained within it. May I draw your attention to the Mylai massacre. The trial there was afterwards. I believe you have failed to understand the USA has been taken into several wars under ruse. Do you understand the term "fragging?" Stanley Karnow explains it in his book "VIETNAM A History, The First Complete Account of Vietnam at War." It is what happens when the enlisted find out how thy have been used as fodder for the war machine. When the likes of Rush L. poison the armed services radio with his vile lies, the troops are 'sedated?' I'm waiting to find out what happened to the guy who just killed the 16, mostly women and children. I heard rumor the bank had just foreclosed on he and his wife's house.

I stand with the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and the NY Firefighters for 9/11 Truth. If I told you who I thought the "enemy" was, I might become one of the "disappeared." (but I'll suggest you read "on the JUSTICE of ROOSTING CHICKENS" by Ward Churchill.) I have tremendous admiration for the Occupy Movement. I worry about the woman in NY who was beaten by the cops last night.

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Not the fact in itself. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #1
No trial? We gave Saddam Hussein as much and he supposedly had nukes aimed at us, or whatever. Zalatix Mar 2012 #3
We didn't give Saddam a trial. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #5
why would Anyone hand themselves into people that openly torture Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #13
It depends upon the rules of engagement ChunderingTruth Mar 2012 #2
My opinion is post #52 just two down from my post you linked to. denbot Mar 2012 #4
And I will say again, I do not blindly trust anyone. Show me the evidence. Zalatix Mar 2012 #8
Way back when, I had the occasion to share a fighting hole with a variety of grunts. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #127
Are you actually suggesting... USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #6
We're killing people who did not fire upon US troops at all. Zalatix Mar 2012 #7
Yes, that's what you do in a war. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #9
Since when do you execute a kill on sight order on someone who hasn't opened fire on you? Zalatix Mar 2012 #10
Do you think literally everyone in the Nazi army USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #11
Was al-Banna armed? Zalatix Mar 2012 #12
I don't know, was he? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #14
Wait, you are asking me for specific evidence of innocence? What country do you think you're in? Zalatix Mar 2012 #17
No. You said he wasn't armed. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #18
I base it upon lack of evidence. If you have any, please show it. Zalatix Mar 2012 #19
Once again... USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #41
I take it you have no proof, once again, that al-Banna deserved to die? Zalatix Mar 2012 #43
Not one from a court of law, no. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #49
LOL at your attempt to declare victory. Zalatix Mar 2012 #50
Thank you for proving my point USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #53
You have repeatedly dodged my questions, and have hidden behind irrelevant responses Zalatix Mar 2012 #76
WRONG USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #78
A trial isn't required for all strikes against enemy combatants. However we've no evidence al-Banna Zalatix Mar 2012 #80
How do you know there was no evidence? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #83
How do you know there was evidence? Zalatix Mar 2012 #87
I don't. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #90
WRONG. He SHOULD have had a trial. And you admit you have no evidence. Zalatix Mar 2012 #92
Flip flopper! USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #94
But he's NOT A COMBATANT. So your argument doesn't even apply. Zalatix Mar 2012 #96
How do you know he's not? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #97
You've shot at people you didn't know were hostile? Zalatix Mar 2012 #98
Complete and total strawman. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #99
Actually, since you keep trying to distract the issue with your non-points Zalatix Mar 2012 #100
LOL USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #101
Your argument has been "Reasons? I don't need no stinkin' reasons!" Zalatix Mar 2012 #103
No, that hasn't been my argument. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #105
"We don't need no stinkin' REASONS" is 100% EXACTLY what you said. Zalatix Mar 2012 #107
No, it's not. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #110
"Because we said so" is NOT a reason. Zalatix Mar 2012 #111
"Because he's an al-Qaeda operative" USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #112
YOU are the one dodging. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #215
#l. I don't know that the people targeted at Normandy were really enemy Combatants. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #208
What point are you making. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #213
I thought I stated it very clearly AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #221
We get it. You don't trust the government. randome Mar 2012 #15
I bet you believed Saddam had WMD's. Or that the Gulf of Tonkin was not a hoax. Zalatix Mar 2012 #16
If someone is a criminal USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #20
What part of "show me proof" do you not understand? Zalatix Mar 2012 #23
Please spare me the drama queen BS USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #30
Then spare me the knuckle-dragging "kill em, proof or not" BS Zalatix Mar 2012 #32
No. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #36
Show me the proof. Zalatix Mar 2012 #38
Do you demand the same proof USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #39
Show me the proof. Zalatix Mar 2012 #40
Don't worry. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #44
I told you, I want proof that al-Banna deserved to die. I stand pat on that. Zalatix Mar 2012 #46
And I made a counterpoint USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #61
Counterpoint? Uh, no, what you did was offer no proof at all that al-Banna did ANYTHING wrong Zalatix Mar 2012 #65
ALL criminals are innocent until proven guilty USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #67
How was Awlaki an 'enemy force'? This case is only special because no one knows why sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #159
He was a member of an enemy force USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #163
But we do not know that. He was a preacher, where is the evidence he was a member of sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #168
I see. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #169
Of course I demanded that. Bush was the president, I never believed a word he said. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #172
OK, so just so I'm understanding you correctly... USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #173
When a country is lied into war, I do not generally support that war and question every sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #176
Got it. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #178
I have not quit my day job, but thanks for the advice. I was right just to remind you, about sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #184
Enemy forces who surrendered? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #185
You know the strange thing, well there are many strange things, but sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #190
Yes, so strange USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #191
Probably because he was not an Al Queda leader. Not to mention the fact that the people sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #192
I see. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #193
Why do you keep talking about the legitimacy of war? randome Mar 2012 #179
Yemen is not a war zone. Do we have troops in Yemen? Are we at war with Yemen? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #188
You know what I call people who fought in Iraq, Suckers bahrbearian Mar 2012 #35
Let the record show USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #55
Blatant insults? For demanding proof that al-Banna did anything to deserve a drone strike? Zalatix Mar 2012 #58
He was talking to me. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #62
LOL gotcha. Gotta check the attributes. Zalatix Mar 2012 #66
No genius. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #63
Oh, the Drama, can I get you some Vapors. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #59
Noticeably absent from your post USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #64
He should have just repeated post #57. Zalatix Mar 2012 #68
If you are gulible enough to think invading an a country that never attacked us is honorable? bahrbearian Mar 2012 #69
You're not worth my time. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #72
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #74
Are you in the military? randome Mar 2012 #75
I was drafted #11 1970, was 1A , refused to go to Nam bahrbearian Mar 2012 #81
+1 million for resisting the Draft. Zalatix Mar 2012 #84
Your choice does not entitle you to mock those who thought differently. randome Mar 2012 #86
He wasn't dishonoring anyone. Zalatix Mar 2012 #88
The fuck s/he wasn't. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #121
Point taken. Bahrbearian wasn't bowing down to the almighty soldier Zalatix Mar 2012 #123
Far cry from "not bowing down" to blatent hyperbolic blanket stereotyping insults. PavePusher Mar 2012 #131
Sorry, I decline to drink the kool-aid. Zalatix Mar 2012 #133
Don't waste your time on him. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #85
Why is that such a problem, arresting people in a war zone? We have prisons all over sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #161
Do you think World War II should have been fought with arrests instead of munitions? randome Mar 2012 #165
American lives are worth no more nor no less than the lives of anyone else. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #170
I didn't know this was a debate about the legitmacy of a war. randome Mar 2012 #174
Good god, your ignorance of history is astonishing. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #201
Up until the moment they surrendered, the US army was trying as hard as they could to kill them. hack89 Mar 2012 #220
Few of these people we're going after can be compared to soldiers in WW-II Zalatix Mar 2012 #203
I think your asshat post sucked too. era veteran Mar 2012 #207
Let the record show that the most chilling insults toward our troops Kaleko Mar 2012 #197
Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor. He actually wrote that? Wow. Zalatix Mar 2012 #205
Yep. Kaleko Mar 2012 #211
Yes, indeed that is true. Our leaders do treat our troops like suckers. Zalatix Mar 2012 #212
That's no worse than I've seen on "Democratic" sites USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #217
Your outrage is understandable. Kaleko Mar 2012 #223
Well, your name certainly explains your vile comment. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #120
You know what I call people who insult military volunteers? MADem Mar 2012 #186
You know what I wonder? Does anyone care what you call anyone? MineralMan Mar 2012 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu Mar 2012 #194
YEP, I'll bet you do - cliffordu Mar 2012 #196
I have a name for you, too. Nt DevonRex Mar 2012 #199
Saddam and WMDs? Be real. randome Mar 2012 #21
Killing someone without proof? Get real. Zalatix Mar 2012 #25
+1 L0oniX Mar 2012 #141
Many thanks! Zalatix Mar 2012 #147
You are being hyperbolic. No one has said 'our President is out to kill us'. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #156
That's not how it works at all. bluedigger Mar 2012 #26
You seem to have no proof that al-Banna deserved to die. Zalatix Mar 2012 #29
So are you suggesting USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #33
Another who is completely ignorant of history. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #202
Keep beating that toy drum! bluedigger Mar 2012 #34
Then you keep on not thinking for yourself. Zalatix Mar 2012 #37
Dude, you're not being very fair to those who disagree with you. randome Mar 2012 #42
Hey, I didn't start the toy drum comment crap. What makes you think that was any nicer? Zalatix Mar 2012 #45
I see no reason to support wrongheaded insanity because it is acting consistently TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #229
Since 1942 OPOS Mar 2012 #154
Are you MK Ultra? joy to the world Mar 2012 #93
Who or what is MK Ultra? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #95
Guilt is not a relevant concept in armed conflict. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #22
Welcome to the funhouse gratuitous Mar 2012 #24
Cindy Sheehan was right. Zalatix Mar 2012 #27
+ KG Mar 2012 #28
+1 L0oniX Mar 2012 #143
What may be causing the confusion here is some don't know the definition of a "free fire zone?" NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #31
Kinda like, "If the police arrested him, he must be guilty." excuse not to write Mar 2012 #47
Exactly. Like when they shot Randy Weaver's wife while she held a baby in her arms. Zalatix Mar 2012 #48
Randy Weaver and his family were racists excuse not to write Mar 2012 #54
But his wife was unarmed! Holding a baby! And she got shot by a sniper! Zalatix Mar 2012 #56
Well that's entirely different. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #71
And it's okay to shoot a woman with a baby in her arms if she and her husband are racists. Zalatix Mar 2012 #102
I never knew racism was punishable by death from afar... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #114
So what's your plan? jeff47 Mar 2012 #51
al-Banna attacked US forces? Where? If he did, then who and where? Zalatix Mar 2012 #52
You're the one who generalized this. jeff47 Mar 2012 #70
How about we just leave the fucker alone? If he's not armed or carrying bombs Zalatix Mar 2012 #73
Well, let's wander into overused Nazi analogies jeff47 Mar 2012 #79
How about a more recent example... Saddam Hussein. Zalatix Mar 2012 #82
You can't possibly be serious. jeff47 Mar 2012 #106
WTF Hahahahahah my evidence for a lack of proof? Did you really say that? Zalatix Mar 2012 #109
Again, you continue to confuse military action with a courtroom jeff47 Mar 2012 #115
"And your evidence for the lack of proof is"... hahahahaha LOL. I'm dying here. Zalatix Mar 2012 #116
AUF after 9/11 jeff47 Mar 2012 #119
Derision? No, I'm just re-quoting what you said. Zalatix Mar 2012 #122
Boy, you sure are working hard with that shovel. jeff47 Mar 2012 #124
It'll take more than 30 posts to dig down to your version of reality. Zalatix Mar 2012 #134
No, it'll take 30 posts for you to actually start reading what people write. jeff47 Mar 2012 #198
I'm wondering why you can't understand the words that you write. Zalatix Mar 2012 #200
'EastAsia'? randome Mar 2012 #125
Your problem is you refuse to open your eyes. This is EXACTLY what George Orwell warned about. Zalatix Mar 2012 #135
No, my 'problem' is that I don't spend my life being afraid of what COULD happen. randome Mar 2012 #136
LOL so your argument here is "just stick your head in the sand and it'll be all okay". Gotcha. Zalatix Mar 2012 #137
Arguably, killing civilians far from any battlefield is not "military action" EFerrari Mar 2012 #128
Members of al-Qaeda are civilians? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #182
The proper question is "what's a civilian"? jeff47 Mar 2012 #195
Actually, that gray area stuff was a line promoted by BushCo's lawyers. EFerrari Mar 2012 #219
No, they really don't. jeff47 Mar 2012 #225
That's incorrect. They are available on line EFerrari Mar 2012 #226
Then it would have been trivial for you to demonstrate I'm wrong, instead of just claiming it (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #227
You can go look at the term "unlawful conbatant" at Wikipedia. EFerrari Mar 2012 #228
Here's something none of these fine folks can answer Zalatix Mar 2012 #210
The answer is: nothing. randome Mar 2012 #216
Seriously? You still don't get it? Zalatix Mar 2012 #222
Anyone who accepts accusation as guilt or by extension targeting as guilt is TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #57
Actually I am saying that such an argument is BS. Zalatix Mar 2012 #60
Oh...I know. I regularly suffer from poor deployment of the rhetorical "you" TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #230
So, the 90% of Americans who supported killing bin Laden geek tragedy Mar 2012 #104
I bet close to 90% supported the start of the Iraq invasion, too. Zalatix Mar 2012 #108
No. But the 10% who cried because we were unfair to Osama geek tragedy Mar 2012 #139
That 10% questioned the claim about Saddam's WMDs Zalatix Mar 2012 #145
Since the doctrine is not only no limited to bin Laden or any particular describable people TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #231
Not necessarily. MineralMan Mar 2012 #77
It depends largely on the president's political party. n/t hughee99 Mar 2012 #89
No, and this case with the soldier joy to the world Mar 2012 #91
Guilt is irrelevant. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #113
So if you are identified as a threat to America and a drone is called in on you Zalatix Mar 2012 #118
Not worried about that. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #126
While simultaneously being struck by lightening, and winning the lottery. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #140
Obviously then it would suck to be you, if you were such a threat Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #130
Being identified as a threat is not the same as actually being a threat. Zalatix Mar 2012 #132
if somebody is wanted internationally and locally(within yemen) Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #171
Yup, just like everyone and their dog KNEW Saddam had WMD's. Zalatix Mar 2012 #175
I was against invading Iraq. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #181
you are still avoiding my questions tho Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #183
Not just a "threat" ... but a "military threat". JoePhilly Mar 2012 #138
And how do you avoid becoming perceived as a military threat? Zalatix Mar 2012 #142
If you haven't figured out how to not be perceived as a military threat, I doubt I can help you. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #150
This is not an argument. You would have to be MAKING an argument first, and you are not. Zalatix Mar 2012 #151
Yes, the Republicans will hit my home with a drone strike. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #177
Sure it is. Just check out My-Lai, Sand Creek, Dresden, Hiroshima, and other places. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #117
No, but that is the argument made by Bush. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #129
+1 L0oniX Mar 2012 #144
Sabrina, you will be here to say "I told you so" when the Republicans get control of the drones. Zalatix Mar 2012 #148
...I'm hungry L0oniX Mar 2012 #146
It is NOW. Defensible too. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #149
Say the right words and wait for the drones. Exactly. Zalatix Mar 2012 #152
Not only are that fear mongering not going to work... USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #153
Living in militant denial is what doesn't work. Zalatix Mar 2012 #155
Yes, because we just NOW started killing al-Qaeda and Taliban members? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #157
But he's NOT A COMBATANT. So your argument STILL does not even apply. Zalatix Mar 2012 #158
How do you know that he's not? USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #160
You already admitted you have no evidence that he is. Zalatix Mar 2012 #162
And you admitted other military strikes do NOT require a trial. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #164
Prove he's a combatant and that will actually MEAN something. Zalatix Mar 2012 #166
Repeating the same nonsense I already addressed USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #167
and again...What would you consider as valid proof/evidence Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #187
Charges should have been filed. Why were they not? Charges were filed against Bin Laden sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #204
Ayup, and what's to stop them from deciding ANYONE AT RANDOM needs to die? Zalatix Mar 2012 #206
As opposed to YOU deciding who gets to die? randome Mar 2012 #214
I have no idea what you are talking about. I am against the DP, regardless of the crime, so sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #224
Yes, that's conclusive... kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #180
No, the trial of the Mylai massacre proved that. See my post 208 AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #209
The Marines used that defense during the trial of the Haditha massacre... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #218
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