and what would that accomplish to give the condemned extra suffering? Would that bring back the (Reply #104)

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104. and what would that accomplish to give the condemned extra suffering? Would that bring back the

the victims? I take it you are for cruel and unusual punishment.

I am not making an argument for or against the execution, but if the execution is done it should be done with the least amount of suffering, otherwise we are no better than they are

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156 replies	Author	Time	Post
Executed Killer Dennis McGuire Gasped And Snorted For 15 Minutes Under New Lethal Drug Combo [View all]	WillyT	Jan 2014	OP
Good.	TroglodyteScholar	Jan 2014	#1
Wish I could recommend your post (n/t)	Amaril	Jan 2014	#4
Maybe we should take a leaf from the book of the animal kingdom	Aerows	Jan 2014	#11
perhaps we need to seriously address why that person is in prison for a marijuana offense..	frylock	Jan 2014	#38
I would first rather address someone that killed a newlywed that was 8 months pregnant.	William769	Jan 2014	#49
very simple; life in prison without parole..	frylock	Jan 2014	#52
I like the option used in this case better.	William769	Jan 2014	#55
i do. you have the same view as they do in north korea and saudi arabia..	frylock	Jan 2014	#62
I always do!	William769	Jan 2014	#63
as i'm sure you do when innocent people are executed	frylock	Jan 2014	#69
You're a mind reader?	William769	Jan 2014	#71
just using basic logic here..	frylock	Jan 2014	#72
Nothing is perfect.	William769	Jan 2014	#75
you accept the murder of innocent people as the cost of doing business..	frylock	Jan 2014	#85
"Nothing is perfect"	nobodyspecial	Jan 2014	#86
Awful.	kcr	Jan 2014	#88
I probably could have phrased it better but considering who I was responding to, I didn't see	William769	Jan 2014	#89
Perfect is impossible	kcr	Jan 2014	#91
There will NEVER be a way to make it "perfect"	BuddhaGirl	Jan 2014	#100
human rights are human rights	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#120
Your right human rights are human rights.	William769	Jan 2014	#121
Victims' rights are indeed important, but killing someone gives nothing good to a victim	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#122
"The lowest crime rates are precisely where death is not a penalty."	Skip Intro	Jan 2014	#135
I'd respond to the always class act William769	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#136
Called it. n/t	Skip Intro	Jan 2014	#138
Yes I did	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#139
.	Skip Intro	Jan 2014	#141
ALERT ALERT! I wuv Creekdoug!	Rex	Jan 2014	#144
!	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#145
Wonderfully put.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jan 2014	#147
If I'm ever murdered...	TroglodyteScholar	Jan 2014	#127
And then we become what we say we despise the most. I will never allow a monster who murders	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#143
I'm right with you	get the red out	Jan 2014	#97
Have you heard of cruel an unusal punishment. He may have deserved the penalty, but not the	lostincalifornia	Jan 2014	#102
the problem is it doesn't make us safer	CreekDog	Jan 2014	#119
+1000. eom.	Ranchemp.	Jan 2014	#57
Me too n/t	Aerows	Jan 2014	#74
Never argued anything different	Aerows	Jan 2014	#50
indeed	frylock	Jan 2014	#53
much easier, and much more profitable as they can seize property. nt	littlewolf	Jan 2014	#116
"Take a leaf from the book of the animal kingdom..."	TroglodyteScholar	Jan 2014	#124
Unfortunately, too few in our bloodlust society will come away with that response.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jan 2014	#146
I'll bet they won't be using that method again.	MADem	Jan 2014	#2
Beheading of firing squad would be more humane	Aerows	Jan 2014	#5
Indeed . . .	markpkessinger	Jan 2014	#41
It's true	Aerows	Jan 2014	#42
Beheading is barbaric.	WinkyDink	Jan 2014	#125
No argument there . . .	markpkessinger	Jan 2014	#140
No, no, and vehemently no to the idea of beheading as "humane." Death is quick, yes, but the sheer	WinkyDink	Jan 2014	#123
Hasn't it been shown that the head lives	Hayabusa	Jan 2014	#130
Similar to the once favored Crucifiction	warrant46	Jan 2014	#8
Enjoy getting locked up for something	Aerows	Jan 2014	#12
Whaa ?	warrant46	Jan 2014	#46
I'm not certain what part I should enlighten you about	Aerows	Jan 2014	#48
It's sarcasm-- but I think you replied to someone else	warrant46	Jan 2014	#51
It's kind of as WTF? as your post	Aerows	Jan 2014	#58
Thank you for the intelligent reply	warrant46	Jan 2014	#67
Well that's certainly relevant	Aerows	Jan 2014	#77
10,000 female people	Aerows	Jan 2014	#79
In Iran, Saudi Arabia and a few other countries, it IS a public spectacle. Still.	MADem	Jan 2014	#30
reminds me of The Green Mile	Whisp	Jan 2014	#25
"Mengele chemical gawdwfulness"	Aerows	Jan 2014	#45
Actually Beheading isnt quite humane.	Mrdrboi	Jan 2014	#60
Ok--you have a choice. You can drown from "air hunger" for five minutes, or you can	MADem	Jan 2014	#81
Seems like a firing squad or guillotine would be more humane.	Cleita	Jan 2014	#3
Every single society	Aerows	Jan 2014	#7
We have other means of separating them from society.	Cleita	Jan 2014	#9
In this case there was no chance that he was innocent.	Ranchemp.	Jan 2014	#14
That's actually where my sympathy lies too, with the family.	Cleita	Jan 2014	#17
So true. eom.	Ranchemp.	Jan 2014	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	frylock	Jan 2014	#40
How?	Aerows	Jan 2014	#15
People like that are damaged beyond repair and belong in a psychiatric institution that has	Cleita	Jan 2014	#21
I would metaphorically wield it	Aerows	Jan 2014	#29
No it is because you see your fellow man as nothing more than animals	MattBaggins	Jan 2014	#95
Yeah, we're a little different from the rest of the animal kingdom.	The Stranger	Jan 2014	#39
You can't get past being an animal?	MattBaggins	Jan 2014	#93
If we did use the guillotine, the jury would have to look at the accused and think......	LongTomH	Jan 2014	#19
The guy who invented the guillotine did so because he felt it was a quicker	Cleita	Jan 2014	#23
To say nothing of a head that was still alive, conscious and in obvious pain for a minute or so.	RC	Jan 2014	#35
Gosh that's just terrible	legcramp	Jan 2014	#6
An eye for an eye...	joeybee12	Jan 2014	#10
Eye for an eye is immediate death	Aerows	Jan 2014	#13
yeap	Egnever	Jan 2014	#16
There is no doubt she suffered horribly. And there is nothing that will ever erase	msanthrope	Jan 2014	#22
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jan 2014	#43
Great, so we sink to just barely above his level.	NuclearDem	Jan 2014	#94
Joy Stewart	donco	Jan 2014	#20
She can't rest in peace or non-peace. She's just dead.	HERVEPA	Jan 2014	#36
One thing is for certain	get the red out	Jan 2014	#98
He wasn't killing anyone when he was behind bars now was he?	neverforget	Jan 2014	#132
She's dead. I doubt her non-existence has any opinion on the guy's execution.	NuclearDem	Jan 2014	#92
Where the hell have they kept her body so that she's	morningfog	Jan 2014	#113
if you murder some one	beachbum bob	Jan 2014	#24
As does mine.	840high	Jan 2014	#28
I remember when his victims died, reading articles about their horrible final moments	CBGLuthier	Jan 2014	#26
I can't work up any sympathy...	sendero	Jan 2014	#37
They're made in Europe and the EU forbids using their products in executions	jmowreader	Jan 2014	#137
Aren't lethal injection drugs supposed to just stop your heart?	Dash87	Jan 2014	#27
Lethal injections rarely kill instantly	Harmony Blue	Jan 2014	#33
Basically, they used him as a test animal to test the new protocol.	riqster	Jan 2014	#31
It would not surprise me if someone decide to use this guy as a guinea pig	Baitball Blogger	Jan 2014	#32
I am unalterably opposed to the death penalty.	MineralMan	Jan 2014	#34
My opinion is that I don't give a shit if he suffered. Joy Stewart, her baby, and their family...	ChisolmTrailDem	Jan 2014	#44
Yet isn't it interesting that virtually every other western democracy . . .	markpkessinger	Jan 2014	#65
Don't get me wrong, I lean heavily anti-death penalty. However, I often find	ChisolmTrailDem	Jan 2014	#84
Yeah, you sure do.	2ndAmForComputers	Jan 2014	#155
agreed	frylock	Jan 2014	#47
+1	cinnabonbon	Jan 2014	#68
I agree.	enlightenment	Jan 2014	#82
That's how I feel, too. You can't be partly against the death penalty.	MineralMan	Jan 2014	#83
we're such a civilized nation	TimeToEvolve	Jan 2014	#54
I see many here saying they have no sympathy for a killer and that's fine	Arcanetrance	Jan 2014	#56
Who else should do it?	HipChick	Jan 2014	#59
No one we should be better than an eye for an eye	Arcanetrance	Jan 2014	#61
Better?	HipChick	Jan 2014	#64
Ah yes and while we are at it we can start chopping off arms of those that steal	Arcanetrance	Jan 2014	#66
Higher than life in prison	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2014	#87
Even if I had no sympathy for killers (and I'll admit, I have sympathy for everyone)	Hippo_Tron	Jan 2014	#134
I really dont have the sympathy for someone who commited such a violent murder.	Mrdrboi	Jan 2014	#70
That's disgusting.	cinnabonbon	Jan 2014	#73
Does anyone know how federal courts have ruled on the "cruel" part of cruel and unusual?	DisgustipatedinCA	Jan 2014	#76
First off it has to be cruel AND unusual.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#112
thanks. I had never thought about both conditions having to be met	DisgustipatedinCA	Jan 2014	#114
All executions should be public beheadings	LittleBlue	Jan 2014	#78
I guess I'm an asshole	Aerows	Jan 2014	#80
You are onto something	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2014	#90
wth, did they not use enough? it shouldn't be hard to quickly kill someone with an overdoes of a	dionysus	Jan 2014	#96
Why not just go into the evidence locker and shoot 'em up with a massive heroin overdose?	MADem	Jan 2014	#142
thats what i'm sayin. i'm not pro DP, but if you're gonna do it, even i can think of painless ways	dionysus	Jan 2014	#149
I am on the same page. They'd have done better to consult a veterinarian and ask them how they put	MADem	Jan 2014	#151
and what noises did his pregnant VICTIM make?	pansypoo53219	Jan 2014	#99
Who cares? Why would you eat to know that?	morningfog	Jan 2014	#110
Good... Hope it hurt like hell...	Lost_Count	Jan 2014	#101
and what would that accomplish to give the condemned extra suffering? Would that bring back the	lostincalifornia	Jan 2014	#104
Get lost, count.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#109
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2014	#118
Ugh. I feel sick reading that.	Union Scribe	Jan 2014	#103
THIS is who we've become. We are no better than the Nazis.	Th1onein	Jan 2014	#105
they probably didn't use enough. If 'the state' wants to kill, than give a MASSIVE overdose.	Sunlei	Jan 2014	#106
Okay fine, why not build an instant incineration machine?	Rex	Jan 2014	#107
Shame on Ohio. Fucking barbarians.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#108
Exactly	mokawanis	Jan 2014	#111
I am anti dp	gwheezie	Jan 2014	#115
I just want to comment on the snoring/snorting part	gwheezie	Jan 2014	#117
That's pretty much what a natural death looks like..	Barack_America	Jan 2014	#126
There's no pain or discomfort in "natural death?"	morningfog	Jan 2014	#128
I didn't say that.	Barack_America	Jan 2014	#131
If we are going to use capital punishment,	Hayabusa	Jan 2014	#129
Do we know those are indicators of pain? From my understanding...	Hippo_Tron	Jan 2014	#133
i agree, it's easy to use massive doses of drugs to kill someone quickly	dionysus	Jan 2014	#150
Wonder how long the innocent woman and her child gasped for air before they died ?	NM_Birder	Jan 2014	#148
Ever see someone you love removed from life support?	2pooped2pop	Jan 2014	#152
yes, my mom. but i think it was harder for us watching than it was for her. she wa on a large dose	dionysus	Jan 2014	#153
I expected her to go quietly	2pooped2pop	Jan 2014	#154
some of it, i guess, you just can't avoid... it was mostly peaceful, but at the end there was what i	dionysus	Jan 2014	#156

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