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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:39 PM

104. I'm surprised there is this much controversy... no reason to complicate this.

There are several issues involved with the Manning case, and various people seem to think they rely on each other. These are separate issues, and the status of each is independent of the others.

1) Did Manning give classified information to Wiki-leaks? The answer to this has nothing to do with what kind of performance marks he got, or if he tussled with another sailor.

2) If he did, was this the morally correct thing to do? Just because an act is illegal doesn't mean it was immoral. If he had evidence that a crime was being covered up, what could he do if no one was willing to investigate it?

3) Was Manning a "good sailor"? He could be a dirtbag, and still not be guilty of leaking classified information. Or he could be a dirtbag, but do the right thing for the wrong reasons. What is a "good Sailor", anyway? Was he considered a dirtbag because he stood a poor watch and was negligent in his duties? Or was he not liked because he didn't let others steal government property, or he reported the command golden child for being drunk on duty?

4) Is Manning being ill treated in his confinement? Even if he is guilty, that is not an excuse to physically or mentally abuse him.

For those playing the home game, my opinion is yes, yes, no, yes; not that it matters.... But just because he had poor evals, didn't work and play well with others, or had sexual identification issues doesn't mean he did the wrong (or right) thing. People are complicated creatures, and no person is completely good or completely bad.

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