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jtuck004

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40. As I said in my other post, it doesn't mean not try, though that's one
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:25 AM - Edit history (1)

fine way to duck responsibility, to pretend that one's effort must take so long the effect can't be seen. That sounds like something Wally in the Dilbert cartoon would say to his boss.

People shouldn't mistake busy work for effective effort, because if it doesn't result in change it didn't work. One can make noise, be noticed, bring awareness, but unless it freakin' moves something, it's mostly just about their ego.

I fervently believe It's Quixotic to expect change from today's efforts, where a few thousands of people march in the streets, pat themselves on the back for their effort, talk about how scared the wealthy must be. ALL the black and white numbers tell us that inequality and poverty continue to worsen, that not a fucking thing is changing except for the growing bank accounts of the wealthy and the slowly diminishing ones of everyone else. What if those who want change just keep at it, and their efforts are totally inadequate to the task? How will they ever know as long as their answer is "none of this is going to happen quickly". What if they are wrong? How would they know?

I heard much of this same shit back during Jimmy Carter's presidency. He even came out and told us how we could heal ourselves, fix our economy, make ourselves stronger.

Then the people voted for Reagan. And now we have a president who admires Reagan, wants to be like him.


From one of his speeches...

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."



There was a time in this country when hundreds were going to prison, when there were pitched battles in the street, when they were marching hungry children past the White House, when organizers were actively carrying the battle to the bastards,and some were murdered. But for a time they won much greater victories. And then the government allied with business and the business unions to put a stop to it, and the people sat down. Maybe they were tired, maybe they lost hope, I don't know.

But I do know that, despite all that effort, damn little has changed in roughly 150 years.

One should always have hope! But they shouldn't substitute that for asking hard, probing questions and evaluating the real impact that organizing work is having on people's lives ('cause that's what we are talking about) and insisting that, if they are going to do it, that it have a plan that will effect change. Else it's just feel good busywork, something people can occupy themselves with while others die.

On edit - Speaking of things that can be measured, and numbers that can be verified... I am a big fan of what Occupy COULD be, (or perhaps could have been, we will see). I went out to hold signs and talk to people at our local one a few times. But what I find it interesting that every day we were "encamping" we lost 15 manufacturing businesses in the U.S. Every single freakin' day. Did that every day in 2012 as well, which means that we lost 64,087 manufacturing PLANTS in the past 12 years, according to the stats at the Federal Reserve Research Center.

That doesn't count the roughly 2 million families that were foreclosed on and thrown into the street over the past 2-3 years, the students that took on debt that will follow them to the grave, the businesses that were allowed to walk away from debt when it became too onerous, the banks that have avoided investigation and prosecution while being given $1.2 trillion this past year to take profit from...

It's like a nightmare version of "It's a Wonderful Life" where in "every time a protester waves his sign, a bankster gets a grand..."








Well, one can always hope... calimary Jan 2014 #1
I'll have whatever she's having Skittles Jan 2014 #2
+1 ! FailureToCommunicate Jan 2014 #9
That is beautiful. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #3
wishful thinking heaven05 Jan 2014 #4
This is a nice sentiment...... trublu992 Jan 2014 #5
That gave me such a gentle smile... Hekate Jan 2014 #6
The Point 2naSalit Jan 2014 #7
Yes! BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #14
You are EXACTLY right. I wasn't amazed to see some of the replies from the so called "Progressives" bluestate10 Jan 2014 #26
That's exactly what I did BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #38
wow! those damn progressives. nt tomp Jan 2014 #51
Yes, see post #52, 2nd paragraph, perhaps this is a smartphone app. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #53
So true. Or the ones who claim to be liberal and then invest in Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2014 #54
Yup. 2naSalit Jan 2014 #55
k&r! Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #8
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #10
Take a chance on starting up a small business that compete with big business. Too many people on bluestate10 Jan 2014 #28
At the very least vote with your dollars. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2014 #32
I do this already ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #37
Buy from local merchants instead of chains dixiegrrrrl Jan 2014 #46
Arundhati Roy "Come September" rainy Jan 2014 #11
du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #12
Only one problem LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #13
Only one. Now that's funny. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #16
"People need to find a way to get assets, and then run them for themselves ..." Scuba Jan 2014 #19
Sure. But for most people their heads aren't there, and that is the problem. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #25
You're right, none of this is going happen overnight WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2014 #34
As I said in my other post, it doesn't mean not try, though that's one jtuck004 Jan 2014 #40
No. You start small with the objective of making a difference. If you blanch at paying $1.5 more bluestate10 Jan 2014 #30
Fair enough LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #50
Well, grain is an easy one for me. defacto7 Jan 2014 #47
Beautiful! :) nt arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #15
Who is this "we" you speak of. LOL. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #17
We is us. At least those of us that see a clear path forward. The path won't be easy, but not bluestate10 Jan 2014 #31
K & R no need to analyze it, just enjoy the beauty of it. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #18
One small way to fight coporatism? Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #20
+1 Scuba Jan 2014 #21
I've just discovered this little treasure Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #23
I grew up on a dairy farm. We milked as many as 12 cows some of the time. Scuba Jan 2014 #24
I am fortunate enough to live in the middle of farm country Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #27
Maybe I'll drop by and pick up some avacados, which won't grow here in Wisconsin. Scuba Jan 2014 #29
Beautiful, Scuba fadedrose Jan 2014 #22
I love Arundhati. Have heard her speak many times. She is brilliant and compassionate. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #33
there are many worlds under the skin of the one we see MisterP Jan 2014 #35
Beautiful nt tweeternik Jan 2014 #36
Recommend!!! She knows! That's so totally it. That's it, exactly. That's the dance. Zorra Jan 2014 #39
kick Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #41
Here on DU: Frugal & Energy Efficient Living group, Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #42
I'm not so optimistic jimlup Jan 2014 #43
History always repeats itself on that you can be sure. So, even though the liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #44
In Lak'ech Ala K'in DeSwiss Jan 2014 #45
K&R ReRe Jan 2014 #48
Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #49
The corporate world is obsolete. It served its purpose for a period of history, but now RKP5637 Jan 2014 #52
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