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A HERETIC I AM

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74. "I don't know why people are so clueless on this issue "
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

Perhaps it's because the people you are referring to don't take a term denoting a SPECIFIC CLASS of bonds in popular usage 4 years ago to mean every single mortgage backed security still in existence today.

I'm wondering FreakinDJ, if you can actually describe what you THINK you are referring to and then describe what an "Agency Backed MBS" is and means.

For you to suggest that every single mortgage backed security (bond) is "Toxic" means that you are of the opinion that the overwhelming majority of mortgages currently written will default.

That is hardly the case.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/chargeoff/delallsa.htm
Residential mortgage defaults are falling, from a high of 11.28% in the 1st quarter of 2010 to 8.59% in the 3rd quarter of last year (2013).

This is, in fact, not news at all, as this article from Bloomberg.com written back in May illustrates;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-06/housing-crash-fades-as-defaults-decline-to-2007-levels.html


Ever since you (And I am sure you are not alone, as in "I don't know why people are so clueless on this issue&quot first heard about failing mortgages being bundled into new bonds and being offered for sale, I'm betting you automatically have assumed that every MBS out there was toxic and continues to be.

It's bullshit and indicates to me again, that you don't understand completely what it is you are talking about. You used the term "Mortgage Derivatives" in your response to me above. Tell me, oh sage of the derivatives market, what EXACTLY is the derivative being bought by the Treasury? The article says nothing in that regard. What it says is;

Thus, Federal Reserve purchases of mortgage-backed securities (MBS), for example, should raise the prices and lower the yields of those securities; moreover, as investors rebalance their portfolios by replacing the MBS sold to the Federal Reserve with other assets, the prices of the assets they buy should rise and their yields decline as well. Declining yields and rising asset prices ease overall financial conditions and stimulate economic activity through channels similar to those for conventional monetary policy.


A security that is based on mortgages is NOT a "derivative". A derivative of such a security would be a futures contract or similar.

I know it must give you some sort of smug satisfaction to impugn the vast majority of US homeowners who regularly pay their mortgages on time, but that does not change the facts. The overwhelming number are paid on time and that in turn keeps the securities based on those mortgages far from being toxic.

I apologize for taking so long in my response, but I have been under the weather for the last 48 hours.
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Congress needs to PAY Back the Money they STOLE from Social Security FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #2
Or a dead congress critter. nt valerief Dec 2013 #4
Interest rate info Igel Dec 2013 #29
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+1 villager Dec 2013 #55
Are Dems not the ones to go mum when the issues favor the working class FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #35
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I don't get my news from Fux Noise - nor do I turn a Blind Eye towards Democrat inaction FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #73
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More than one million people ProSense Dec 2013 #5
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Collaborating with and paying off thieving bankers vs supporting working people who jtuck004 Dec 2013 #8
Public Money was given to the Wealthy Elite FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #12
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Yet the GOP seeks to cut taxes on the Wealthy so the Working Class pays the debt FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #36
Instead of a raise... HoosierCowboy Dec 2013 #7
Banks paid back bailout funds Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #9
That was TARP - this is QE1, QE2, and QE3 FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #13
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^^^ THIS ^^^ FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #37
The Fed has not Bailed Out Banks $3.6T, but we should raise the minimum wage cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #10
Buying $3.6 Trillion of those "Toxic Assets" has not created 1 fucking job FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #14
What "Toxic Assets" exactly? A HERETIC I AM Dec 2013 #42
Mortgage Derivatives - is that toxic enough for you FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #48
"I don't know why people are so clueless on this issue " A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #74
A "Pig with Lipstick" - Big Fucking Deal FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #75
LOL A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #76
US Treasuries are "toxic assets" now? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #57
Your not being entirely truthful here are you FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #58
I am truthful at all times. (Can FORBES-freaking-magazine say that?) cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #61
So now your calling Ben Bernanke a liar and expect us to beleive you FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #64
You started with a lie, and cannot extricate yourself with nastiness cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #67
No - you call them "Treasury Certificates" - YOU would be the liar FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #71
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False, and was fully debunked the first day that absurd claim was made cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #56
The true cost of the bank bailout Demeter Dec 2013 #60
You made a bogus claim cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #63
NO - that would be a lie FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #65
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At least during the 1930s we bought up ther troubled properties FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #15
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The military is not THAT useless AlbertCat Dec 2013 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #17
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EXCELLENT Graphic FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #52
I just read the page & it says the bottom graphic the pallets are double stacked. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #53
Even better FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #59
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