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Spider Jerusalem

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25. Question in response to question:
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:59 PM
Dec 2013

Is BDSM and power exchange play in part a result of acculturation to socially-normative gender and sex roles and would it exist to the degree it does now if our society were significantly different as regards such things?

Rape Culture 101 [View all] boston bean Dec 2013 OP
Ugh Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #1
Rape culture normalizes and trivializes sexual assault BainsBane Dec 2013 #2
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #3
Rape culture means 3-5% of sexual assaults result in conviction BainsBane Dec 2013 #4
key words: "if you so desire to learn more about it" nt redqueen Dec 2013 #5
Does DU have a rape culture problem? pintobean Dec 2013 #6
America does. Rex Dec 2013 #11
Sometimes it seems like the whole world does... Lunacee_2013 Dec 2013 #86
only sometimes?? niyad Dec 2013 #120
I agree and accept rape is a major problem in America.. sir pball Dec 2013 #150
+1. pacalo Dec 2013 #65
Matter of fact, it does. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #93
That's it? pintobean Dec 2013 #100
Frankly, yes. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #102
Your answer pintobean Dec 2013 #111
Got a link to the pro-"rape culture" threads on DU? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #104
Maybe not pro-rape-culture per se. But there's a lot of MRA-ish "poor men" whining nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #113
And there is a lot more people murdered than there are innocents on death row NoOneMan Dec 2013 #116
But has the Innocence Project ever implied that the majority of murder accusations are false? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #124
No. Has anyone on DU suggested that more than 1 in 2 rape accusations are false? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #126
They don't have to say so outright. But when they bring up the supposed problem of false accusations nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #131
It sure does! You should see my list of trashed threads! n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #140
bingo. pintobean Dec 2013 #141
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #7
Is the difference between rape and consensual sex really so confusing for you? BainsBane Dec 2013 #8
Seriously. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #9
I thought some the language in the OP could be construed that way too. Matariki Dec 2013 #15
I myself prefer the Wikipedia definition of rape culture BainsBane Dec 2013 #18
Exactly. Which is why I think the write up in the OP isn't very good. Matariki Dec 2013 #23
"Which is why I think the write up in the OP isn't very good." opiate69 Dec 2013 #33
Shakesville is "a random blogger"? xulamaude Dec 2013 #42
Yeah that gave me a chuckle too. boston bean Dec 2013 #43
of course it did... opiate69 Dec 2013 #59
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #54
What? I'm guessing you're saying xulamaude Dec 2013 #57
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #61
You're a real piece of work 69. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #69
i would say the silly male giggles at being offensive. wow. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #146
That was an ugly, ugly image, I'm glad it got hidden. KitSileya Dec 2013 #165
I have never heard of a Shakesville 1awake Dec 2013 #172
I see your point. nt BainsBane Dec 2013 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #17
The specific mention of "movies and television shows" limits the meaning. redqueen Dec 2013 #49
What would helpful then is a disclaimer for media indicating explicit consent MrScorpio Dec 2013 #88
Media affects us. redqueen Dec 2013 #90
Do you think depictions of such interactions should be illegal or just frowned upon? n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #164
If that were true, you'd expect virtually no argument on the pornography related threads hughee99 Dec 2013 #19
then yo have not actually heard the arguments about this but have your preconceived ideas. seabeyond Dec 2013 #28
Read the thread. Heard a LOT of arguments. Some good, some not so good. hughee99 Dec 2013 #35
you are right. it is not an easy conversation. there is so much to all of this. wrapping it up in seabeyond Dec 2013 #39
Fair enough. hughee99 Dec 2013 #55
In fact, people in my local BDSM community have had run-ins with the law... opiate69 Dec 2013 #40
Rape is not bdsm BainsBane Dec 2013 #38
Based on the thread I linked to, it seems no one was suggesting that a film of an actual rape hughee99 Dec 2013 #52
There is the theoretical insistence BainsBane Dec 2013 #64
"My position on privileging profit over human life is consistent." Well said. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #127
the discussion I saw was about how vids were labeled "real rape" as a selling point cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #70
The discussion I linked to was about Brits banning "violent porn" whether real or simulated. hughee99 Dec 2013 #75
Oh, I see. I didn't see the thread you're referring. Would you happen to have a link? cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #79
I think this will get you there. hughee99 Dec 2013 #83
Thank you very much. nt cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #87
Thank you! nt raccoon Dec 2013 #44
Are you seriously unable to determine the difference? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #12
the word consensual about tells you all. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #13
Question: MrScorpio Dec 2013 #10
I'm surprised at you BainsBane Dec 2013 #14
Yeah but the description in the OP mentions movies and romance book covers Matariki Dec 2013 #16
I think the issue is the imagery of that is what women want and it perpetuates a culture. boston bean Dec 2013 #21
Well some women do, which is why those covers sell books Matariki Dec 2013 #27
I didn't think you were arguing and neither am I. boston bean Dec 2013 #34
I think it's an important topic Matariki Dec 2013 #45
I guess no feminist is perfect, she could have written it better, but she didn't. boston bean Dec 2013 #47
Yeah, but do you want porn depicting such to be banned? davidn3600 Dec 2013 #24
The point being made was that a lot of porn was not consentual. boston bean Dec 2013 #29
rape porn, regardless how many times you are told, is not the same as bsdm. it was explained seabeyond Dec 2013 #31
And that anyone who didn't pintobean Dec 2013 #36
If you can't tell a simulation from the real thing, then what the hell are we supposed to do? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #133
You mean like the ones in movies? davidn3600 Dec 2013 #137
I'm not talking about a feature film that is clearly fictional. That's not the same thing at all. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #139
So in other words...we're going back to talking about BDSM porn davidn3600 Dec 2013 #152
I'm not calling for banning *anything* - other than real footage of real criminal acts - nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #154
I just want to have that clarified MrScorpio Dec 2013 #26
I do not believe that is the case. boston bean Dec 2013 #32
Do me a favor, I'm on my iPod now MrScorpio Dec 2013 #46
I went and watched the entire video. boston bean Dec 2013 #63
Even if she specifically wants him to dominate her? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #74
No, that is not what I am saying. boston bean Dec 2013 #76
An individual woman "wanting to be dominated" is not problematic. But when it's implied that this is nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #134
I totally agree with that. MrScorpio Dec 2013 #143
I see no such link BainsBane Dec 2013 #48
And that's what I think as well MrScorpio Dec 2013 #62
Perhaps it does BainsBane Dec 2013 #67
I suppose the thread cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #71
+1 Matariki Dec 2013 #68
Excellent question. pintobean Dec 2013 #20
Question in response to question: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #25
If that were the case then wouldn't you find dom/sub roles falling mostly along gender lines? Matariki Dec 2013 #30
Not necessarily, no Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #37
Those thing can be true sometimes, sure. Matariki Dec 2013 #50
Yes, but... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #60
It's worth asking Matariki Dec 2013 #66
I think you're really onto something cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #56
That isn't the case? Are you sure? redqueen Dec 2013 #53
Not in the community I was involved in Matariki Dec 2013 #58
It has nothing to do with gender or sex roles, it has everything to do with power and trust. Kurska Dec 2013 #153
But the intersection of power and trust with sexuality... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #155
Baking/cooking is also heavily associated with gender and sex norms Kurska Dec 2013 #156
I never said "feminine" = "submissive" (note other response in this thread) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #157
This I seriously doubt: Matariki Dec 2013 #160
I think it has more to do with duality and something intrinsic to human nature than social roles. Kurska Dec 2013 #163
See my post 49. redqueen Dec 2013 #51
Is this what the kerfuffle at DU is all about? Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #22
No, its not. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #72
LOL BainsBane Dec 2013 #73
creep shaming! LOL boston bean Dec 2013 #77
That PSA thread initiated a whole lot of meta doing just that NoOneMan Dec 2013 #78
You do know Recursion's thread was in response to another that same day, right? BainsBane Dec 2013 #81
I don't blame feminists. I like feminists. I blame your mean little club NoOneMan Dec 2013 #84
Oh, so you don't like "my little club" BainsBane Dec 2013 #91
How is HoF responsible for everything everyone posts re: feminist issues?! redqueen Dec 2013 #94
Its not difficult to ignore the bullying and let some other sad sap get piled on NoOneMan Dec 2013 #97
What sad sap got piled on? redqueen Dec 2013 #101
I'm referring to the entire idea of letting bullying go unchallenged NoOneMan Dec 2013 #103
Oh, I'm following all right. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #107
Here's the deal. You make an argument, you get challenged on it BainsBane Dec 2013 #112
"mean little club"??? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #95
I'm trying to reciprocate the level of observed discourse NoOneMan Dec 2013 #98
lol Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #99
You "don't hate feminists" BainsBane Dec 2013 #105
"one of the eager female cohorts" Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #114
Wow,. you must really miss Meta BainsBane Dec 2013 #117
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #122
Because women who don't agree with every single word of the HOF experts on all things polly7 Dec 2013 #128
Good to know. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #138
Clarification: LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #144
Now that linked post was 'pathetic'. nt polly7 Dec 2013 #147
Hi Polly! LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #176
Hey LadyHawk! polly7 Dec 2013 #177
Wow! Hadn't seen that one before. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #159
Some people really hate it when uppity feminists talk back. n/t LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #175
Just because another woman disagrees with you doesn't mean she's sucking up to men... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #148
From my perspective, the problem is not disagreement BainsBane Dec 2013 #169
"I don't blame feminists. I like feminists--well, except for the ones who speak out, who tell the niyad Dec 2013 #106
I think if we both want to spend our time pretending what the other is implying.... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #108
"incivility" BainsBane Dec 2013 #110
oh dear, MY discourse is divisive, etc., etc., again with the "tone" yes? that particular argument niyad Dec 2013 #118
Tone is crucial to effective communication NoOneMan Dec 2013 #121
Really? Yet you have disregarded a great deal of it in this thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #161
perhaps you should read, and heed, your own advice then. and consider that hearing the "tone" niyad Dec 2013 #129
I definitely will to be honest NoOneMan Dec 2013 #132
"Bullying" BainsBane Dec 2013 #109
I am pretty sure there is a feature on this board called "ignore" or some such, if we are all so niyad Dec 2013 #119
Exactly BainsBane Dec 2013 #123
The Meta Forum served a usefull purpose imho, for providing a venue for spillover threads like that Electric Monk Dec 2013 #82
Strawmen 101... Is that *really* all you took from these discussions? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #135
Not all. From the "kerfuffle" causing ones, yes. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #136
Good comment! nt cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #80
Reading this, I just can't help but think Lunacee_2013 Dec 2013 #85
That is a perfect example of rape culture in action. BainsBane Dec 2013 #92
Really? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #89
Congratulations! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #96
We do have a culture that accepts rape in most cases RobertEarl Dec 2013 #115
No there is no rape culture Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #149
Rape is illegal everywhere BainsBane Dec 2013 #168
No rape culture? chervilant Dec 2013 #170
for those who STILL need rape culture explained to them, read the following article, and the niyad Dec 2013 #130
I'm constantly surprised by the "duh, but, uh, what about..." posts in response to this Scootaloo Dec 2013 #142
K&R UtahLib Dec 2013 #145
"Rape culture is regarding violence as sexy" BDSM isn't rape culture Kurska Dec 2013 #151
Some of her points are spot on, others are not, and some are just ignorant. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #158
I just want to address one of your points KitSileya Dec 2013 #166
I still find the comment stupid and, actually, counterproductive. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #167
I see your point. KitSileya Dec 2013 #174
I can easily imagine a movie doing just what you describe... Silent3 Dec 2013 #178
Well, women already do everything they can to protect themselves, it's not like we need a PSA KitSileya Dec 2013 #179
Excellent points. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #173
Nail any two boards together. gulliver Dec 2013 #162
Oh FFS...here we go again. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #171
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