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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
113. To paraphrase from "The Graduate"
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:44 AM
Dec 2013

One word - "outsourcing". Google work-at-home transcription jobs. See all that piecemeal paid by the line, independent contracting work? It represents what were once decent-paying jobs. I work in a large law firm with a couple dozen offices across the country. They have been steadily reducing the number of secretaries by using the associates to do what we used to do. They also use a handful of their own independent contractors for remote dictation who were once secretaries at the same firm. A couple days ago I was handed a motion for serving - all done already by an associate just needed photocopies and couple of exhibit tabs. What they used to hand write they're now typing. There are always exceptions, it's a big country - but please don't try to tell me what my reality is when I'm living it.

P.S.: That "22-key thing" is used by court reporters, requires specialized training to operate and is not secretarial or administrative work.

I see it happening to friends and family all around me. mn9driver Dec 2013 #1
Yep unions and the union health insurance are a big factor in avoiding this. truedelphi Dec 2013 #75
I was tossed out in my late 40s. I had a son in college B Calm Dec 2013 #2
Congratulations. However, driving an 18 wheeler is no guaranty of a job these days, especially merrily Dec 2013 #5
If you can drive a truck you can find work B Calm Dec 2013 #7
Same here madville Dec 2013 #11
So the unemployed are just obstinate and/or lazy? merrily Dec 2013 #23
That isn't what the poster wrote. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #96
It's a very fair inference from "If you can drive a truck, you merrily Dec 2013 #141
Is that what you think? B Calm Dec 2013 #101
Well, according to you, anyone who can pass a physical can have 3 jobs. Walk away Dec 2013 #128
I'm sorry now I posted a POSITIVE story about myself. B Calm Dec 2013 #133
Don't listen to the haters... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #136
That is not all you did though. merrily Dec 2013 #143
WTF, I never said anybody could do the same! It's a skilled trade B Calm Dec 2013 #148
Actually what he said was if you can drive a truck, OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #165
I think if all the unemployed had the skill and the license OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #166
No. It's what you implied. See Reply 141. merrily Dec 2013 #142
That is not what the poster wrote Tumbulu Dec 2013 #102
Personally, I would not want to drive a truck. SheilaT Dec 2013 #103
Because trucking companies are just DYING to get millions of 50+ year old people behind the wheel jtuck004 Dec 2013 #94
There is a huge shortage of drivers, so yes they are B Calm Dec 2013 #100
Well, Werner said they had 100 openings. With 26 million unemployed, that's .0003846% taken jtuck004 Dec 2013 #108
Why anybody would want to drive for Werner is beyond me. That B Calm Dec 2013 #109
Didn't upset me at all, lol. There was an article about millions of people being unemployed and jtuck004 Dec 2013 #118
All he did was explain what he did when he found himself out of a job OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #169
" If you can drive a truck you can find work" < You missed a few lines... jtuck004 Jan 2014 #171
Whatever OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #180
Don't know where you got that. DiverDave Jan 2014 #185
What I don't get is if drivers are in such demand, why is the pay so low? Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #139
My last job before retiring I was home every night and grossed B Calm Dec 2013 #140
I've seen plenty of over 50's driving trucks OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #168
What are the qualifications ? steve2470 Dec 2013 #132
You have to pass a DOT physical at the least every two years B Calm Dec 2013 #134
I was asking in case my son needs work in the future steve2470 Dec 2013 #135
I don't mind helping your son and it wouldn't be a waste of my time B Calm Dec 2013 #137
thank you, he has 3 more years to go to reach 21 steve2470 Dec 2013 #138
Tell you what 2naSalit Dec 2013 #151
+1000. adirondacker Dec 2013 #152
the same! 2naSalit Dec 2013 #154
So what your saying to me, if you were not disabled you could find a job! B Calm Dec 2013 #156
I was saying a lot more than that 2naSalit Dec 2013 #159
Let's get one thing straight! I never said it was B Calm Dec 2013 #160
Could be the implications of Horatio Alger crap are among the reasons. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #177
I don't know why I am being personally attacked, but I'm getting fed up with it! B Calm Jan 2014 #178
Lousy economy = desperate workers = employers able to pick and choose. merrily Dec 2013 #3
corporate America has a great economy Skink Dec 2013 #51
I was 64. andlor Dec 2013 #4
This month I am starting to preapre my son for a life in enterprise software sales wilt the stilt Dec 2013 #6
Until BYOD becomes the trend, at least. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #10
What is BYOD? truedelphi Dec 2013 #76
Bring Your Own Device. About half of all workers report using their personal cell phone jtuck004 Dec 2013 #91
"Bring your own device" Gore1FL Dec 2013 #93
Producing is no guarantee of job security these days. stopbush Dec 2013 #53
sales is not arbitrary wilt the stilt Dec 2013 #149
A friend of mine woks in the recorded music/video biz. stopbush Dec 2013 #150
very rare wilt the stilt Dec 2013 #157
This is what happens when you have a Congress dead set against creating jobs!!! nt kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #8
It also relates to how employers will not pay for the high ins. premiums of truedelphi Dec 2013 #77
+1 area51 Dec 2013 #116
The way our economy works is obsolete for the 21st century, it can not possibly serve RKP5637 Dec 2013 #9
Technology has certainly changed the landscape madville Dec 2013 #14
There are a lot of really smart economists in the US, certainly they must recognize RKP5637 Dec 2013 #25
They're putting us out to pasture. SmittynMo Dec 2013 #12
Exactly! "... age discrimination DOES exist!!!!" Any not seeing that have their head up RKP5637 Dec 2013 #31
Indeed, age discrimination does exist. KitSileya Dec 2013 #122
Time for 50 Somethings to Unionize bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #13
As one of those secretaries - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #45
Secretary? in 2013? SheilaT Dec 2013 #104
Strange but true - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #112
I'm astonished because SheilaT Dec 2013 #117
Where do I sign up? n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #78
50 Something Class Action bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #95
And in large part it comes about on account of employers not truedelphi Dec 2013 #97
Oh, please. What are they gonna do, join up with the others marching in front of empty factories? jtuck004 Dec 2013 #92
fact is, companies can pay younger workers less beachbum bob Dec 2013 #15
Tell me about it SmittynMo Dec 2013 #16
Here is the triple whammy aspect Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #17
Yes....that's the other dark side of it.. eom. KoKo Dec 2013 #41
Those are all very good points. truedelphi Dec 2013 #98
It's a total disaster out there MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #18
Meanwhile, they want to raise the retirement age for SS benefits Martin Eden Dec 2013 #19
I know DU will kick my butt for saying this, but in many ways Obama has kept up the SOS. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2013 #37
I am approaching 40 and am beginning to panic srican69 Dec 2013 #20
I know how you feel. I'm 44 and I've been watching LOTS of people around me taking early retirement kysrsoze Dec 2013 #52
It's coming SmittynMo Dec 2013 #56
Yeah, it's bad all around, and there really are no easy solutions... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #21
Many jobs have gone to outsourcing. KoKo Dec 2013 #43
It goes hand in hand, but at this point what can you do? Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #50
It's not too late to STOP the TPP, though.... KoKo Dec 2013 #82
I hope you are right. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #87
I too wish it were that simple. Problem is, as the economy deteriorates, folks can only afford Hoyt Dec 2013 #57
But it is not just about cheaper goods. truedelphi Dec 2013 #80
Sadly..the reason all we can afford is cheap goods from China, etc...is KoKo Dec 2013 #83
This is the common analysis; but it leaves out one HUGE consideration. snot Dec 2013 #68
Humanity as a whole hasn't done that The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #69
Okay, so who then gets the "wealth," plus how and why? Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #79
Indeed...we could change this with tighter Financial Regulations on Companies & KoKo Dec 2013 #85
It is not totally ignored. truedelphi Dec 2013 #99
Thanks, yes. snot Dec 2013 #145
I actually made it to age 52, and a coworker to 53.... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #22
The first sweep of what you are talking about was in early 90's KoKo Dec 2013 #88
what was amazing was the brain drain - those of us in our 50s were not only good at what we did, NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #89
We are earlier than you...but, yes... KoKo Dec 2013 #90
Lower the retirement age to 50, or 55. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #24
Yep. This is why Joe Lieberman will always be my least favorite politician. Dawgs Dec 2013 #26
I remember. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #27
i think this must happen noiretextatique Dec 2013 #70
Lost many long-time coworkers this year liberal N proud Dec 2013 #28
I worry for a friend PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #29
They won't hire me at 56 but pay me 2x more as a contractor FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #30
I did the contractor thing for 5 years SmittynMo Dec 2013 #58
at 58, I been at it now for 8+ years.... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #32
You have to go into business for yourself. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #33
Unfortunately, not everyone is suited to being in business themselves. haele Dec 2013 #71
I just do petsitting on the side. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author haele Jan 2014 #164
I oopsed. (sign of age...) haele Jan 2014 #167
Unfortunately being able to generate enough income this way for 15 or more years, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #72
Once the Y2K remediation projects were over, so was my career. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2013 #34
Well, you have to have absolutely no morals. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #35
This whole topic is really disturbing to me. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #36
Most often think they are somehow special, that it's the other guy that gets hit, and RKP5637 Dec 2013 #38
I've been worried LiberalElite Dec 2013 #46
Lawyers don't type their filings and contracts (or do they ?) KurtNYC Dec 2013 #48
A surprising number do. SheilaT Dec 2013 #106
To paraphrase from "The Graduate" LiberalElite Dec 2013 #113
Yep, we see similar in many industries. Efficiency is a good thing, but in our economic RKP5637 Dec 2013 #54
It is scary PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #40
A plumber would have difficulty finding work? philosslayer Dec 2013 #42
True PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #44
Plumber and auto mechanic are good jobs until they're the only jobs left. haele Jan 2014 #170
My PTSD PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #184
Thanks. haele Jan 2014 #187
I'm one of them n/t SmittynMo Dec 2013 #61
You summed it up perfectly. llmart Dec 2013 #131
This has happened many times in human history. marybourg Dec 2013 #155
I tell my kids to max out their 401k lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #39
There may be a part-time job available for all, including older workers, Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #47
Cool, thanks! n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #59
I think I will apply PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #62
An excellent article that hits all of the salient points. stopbush Dec 2013 #49
I think 2naSalit Dec 2013 #153
Is health insurance concerns possibly one source of job discrimination? Nikia Dec 2013 #55
Your father is a lucky man SmittynMo Dec 2013 #60
This is one key reason why as a nation, we have to go to Universal Single Payer. truedelphi Dec 2013 #146
this is about eliminating the high salaries of workers at their peak of their careers. nt TeamPooka Dec 2013 #63
Look more closely, it goes much further than that. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #74
I retired at 55. Puglover Dec 2013 #64
Strangely enough Turbineguy Dec 2013 #65
I don't think talent has much to do with anything anymore. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #115
All these corporate idiots do not understand Turbineguy Dec 2013 #144
Employees are simply units that produce a certain amount of product. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #163
I'm reading a new book Turbineguy Jan 2014 #172
Been there done that gave up. Now I stay at home and glinda Dec 2013 #66
I got laid off in June at age 54 mcar Dec 2013 #67
I was 71 when I was laid off my job, RebelOne Dec 2013 #73
I'm 57 and scared to death. Boomerproud Dec 2013 #81
Yep. Am there. Doing that. GoCubsGo Dec 2013 #84
happened to me in 2003 madrchsod Dec 2013 #86
The Corporate Expiration Age used to be 55. It's being moved back Warpy Dec 2013 #105
I think an awful lot depends on what field you were in to begin with. SheilaT Dec 2013 #107
+1 B Calm Dec 2013 #111
I work for an Israeli company... trumad Dec 2013 #110
50 Somethings should Boycott All Businesses bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #114
Unfortunately the Biggest of The Big Businesses out there would truedelphi Dec 2013 #120
Would that help? BobUp Dec 2013 #124
Lower age BobUp Dec 2013 #119
You can't Fudge the age of your degree bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #121
True BobUp Dec 2013 #123
Younger people are a whole lot easier to manipulate. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #174
My BobUp Jan 2014 #175
And the tougher things get enlightenment Dec 2013 #129
They can get your age in about 2 seconds. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #173
I believe you BobUp Jan 2014 #176
Privacy went out the window with the internet. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #181
Speaking of BobUp Jan 2014 #182
I don't do Facebook or any of those sites. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #183
Good upbringing BobUp Jan 2014 #186
I told my son about this article and got a wtf response.... steve2470 Dec 2013 #125
Most 17 year old kids Abq_Sarah Dec 2013 #126
I agree steve2470 Dec 2013 #127
Kids don't get it. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #162
I'm so grateful I have tenure. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #130
Kick. n/t area51 Dec 2013 #147
It happens to be EXACTLY why I became a dentist with my own practice... PCIntern Dec 2013 #158
Age trumps ability & accomplishments Loge23 Jan 2014 #179
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