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philly_bob

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16. TRoN, you're right.

Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:34 PM

Dec 2013

A friend who's a former seminarian told me that the church made a marketing decision to abandon the U.S. and concentrate on Latin America and Africa.

American Catholics were difficult to control. (That's an understatement!)

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I'm Really Getting to Respect this Pope [View all] louis c Dec 2013 OP

That says it well shenmue Dec 2013 #1

when he addresses the status of women in this patriarchal organization, I will think slightly better niyad Dec 2013 #2

I agree. louis c Dec 2013 #3

Well, actually he has addressed the status of women in the church theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #17

not enough, not nearly enough. women are still non-citizens as far as the church--no autonomy, niyad Dec 2013 #25

imagine you are given the reins of a continent going forward on techtonic roguevalley Dec 2013 #34

spare me. he has talked about some things that are important--but he hasn't had time to mention niyad Dec 2013 #36

I want it too. I am old. But I know how organizations work. You and I q roguevalley Dec 2013 #37

I am old, too. I have been waiting for this HUGE organization to recognize women as actual, niyad Dec 2013 #39

I think it's entirely reasonable to talk timetables theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #40

So your argument is the RCC is too big to fail, too large to bother with justice or Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #59

I'm a woman and I'm not waiting for anything. Any Catholic woman, and there are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #50

nice try at deflection. pointing out that he has said nothing about the church's views on women niyad Dec 2013 #68

It's the current mantra, niyad theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #70

one would think that what you said is perfectly obvious, but not, apparently, to some. one does niyad Dec 2013 #72

How can you say that? Church policy doesn't just affect its members. Rozlee Dec 2013 #74

Plate tectonics is an apt analogy. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #53

thank you, honey. I am old enough to remember how this roguevalley Dec 2013 #83

I think you misunderstood my position theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #35

my apologies, you are absolutely correct. I did not check it out the link as I should. niyad Dec 2013 #38

No problem. I understand the frustration. theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #41

"Former Nazi" YarnAddict Dec 2013 #4

We all have a choice louis c Dec 2013 #5

Because of his age at the time YarnAddict Dec 2013 #6

It certainly would have disqualified Byrd louis c Dec 2013 #10

Yes. We do have choices. a la izquierda Dec 2013 #54

There's a differnce between silence and support. louis c Dec 2013 #80

since you object to "former nazi", how about we call him what we all know him to be--a pedophile niyad Dec 2013 #7

That's actually much more accurate n/t YarnAddict Dec 2013 #8

True, he continued in his nazistic tendencies well into his adulthood MNBrewer Dec 2013 #11

I agree entirely with your post. spiderpig Dec 2013 #9

Louis C, from Catholic to Catholic, I once learned that... TRoN33 Dec 2013 #12

TRoN, you're right. philly_bob Dec 2013 #16

The last pope, the "ex nazi", preached the SAME stuff about the poor and peace and capitalism. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #13

How many heard him do it? Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #14

Nothing has changed. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #20

Yes, this is it precisely. trotsky Dec 2013 #67

The dumping of Cardinal Raymond Burke and the Bishop of Bling in Germany warmed my heart. pa28 Dec 2013 #15

Point Well Taken louis c Dec 2013 #18

And yet... NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #21

Indeed, Francis is backing up his words with action by cleaning up the rot. pa28 Dec 2013 #23

referring to the pedophile priests as "some fell short of their commitment" is NOT "cleaning up niyad Dec 2013 #42

So he talks about ONE thing people here agree with him about and suddenly he's Jesus. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #19

Is there anything between despising him and proclaiming him Jesus in your mind? nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #22

We don't do "nuance" on this forum Kolesar Dec 2013 #55

How about some simple honesty? Francis is and has been for years a stridenly anti Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #60

OK how about this; I agree with Pope Francis when he talks about poverty and the causes of it el_bryanto Dec 2013 #61

People often claim Francis is 'pro gay, inclusive' and that's a lie. They are liars. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #63

So to be very clear - you are calling me a liar, right? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #64

I did not call you a liar. If I wanted to, I would simply do so. I do not need you Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #65

Your bullying tactics really haven't succeeded in turning DU around on Pope Francis have they? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #66

This portion of this piece really nailed it for me: PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #73

I still love this Pope. 840high Dec 2013 #44

Good for you. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #47

He is off to a good start... tjwash Dec 2013 #24

Let me know when he actually does something (like elevating your wife to human status). Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #26

9 months louis c Dec 2013 #28

It's nice I guess that you admire someone but I think I'll save my admiration AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #32

How is it that I say "respect" and you hear "admire"? louis c Dec 2013 #33

The same way Francis says this about marriage equality: Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #58

In the meanwhile... theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #71

I see you got no responses from those fawning, sad but no surprise to those who are watching.. AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #84

I agree and am doing just that. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #45

He believes CHILD RAPISTS make better priests than women or gays. Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #27

I just noticed that you and I have the same, exact number of posts (until this one). louis c Dec 2013 #29

Not any more! HAHAHAHAH!!!! Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #30

Now we do louis c Dec 2013 #31

Saying the right things may matter some but. DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #43

I'm willing to give Francis more than 9 months before forming my final opinion louis c Dec 2013 #46

I - an outsider - never a Catholic JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #51

Francis shits daily on the teachings of Jesus. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #62

But he sleeps in a smaller bedroom! NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #77

PR/damage control. The RCC does not change. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #48

Me too. He's mighty refreshing after Benny the Rat, that's for sure!!! calimary Dec 2013 #49

Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #52

Thanks (NT) louis c Dec 2013 #85

Do you respect the Long Silence of your Francis and his Church on Ugandan anti Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #56

Wow, a lot of Pope Francis bashing here, watoos Dec 2013 #57

I'll take what I can get - his economic comments TBF Dec 2013 #69

The pope is no progressive. Unless you consider anti-gay and anti-women to be "progressive". NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #75

And this is different from the former pope how? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #78

So you left the church under Pope John Paul. Name one material issue in which this pope is different AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #76

I left the Church in 1968 louis c Dec 2013 #79

He's pretty revolutionary. moondust Dec 2013 #81

"show me (words, words, words) niyad Dec 2013 #82