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IdaBriggs

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96. Thank you, CreekDog.

Tue Dec 17, 2013, 01:41 PM

Dec 2013

You weren't any help before this post, and you aren't any help after this post, so I'll give the comment all the worry it is worth.

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Nitwits & Why Physicians Lose Credibility [View all] IdaBriggs Dec 2013 OP

Please note that prenatal folic acid and vitamin K injections aren't the same thing as supplements. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #1

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #3

^^THIS^^ longship Dec 2013 #7

Folic acid and Vitamin K *ARE* both supplements. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #20

I'm sorry that you don't understand what you're talking about. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #22

Unfortunately, I do know what I'm talking about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #25

"I'm not a doctor - just better informed than they are. "... SidDithers Dec 2013 #27

Dr. Dre, specifically. Dr. Strange Dec 2013 #37

Heeh... SidDithers Dec 2013 #71

Yep. I said it. And I stand by it. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #41

i hate when she makes me agree with Sid CreekDog Dec 2013 #45

I'm kind of shocked too. NealK Dec 2013 #116

My brother IS a doctor with an MD from a well-known medical school, and Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #77

No, you clearly don't. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #35

Sigh. We're going in circles. Yes, folic acid (vitamin b9) is important. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #47

Did you actually bother to read the article you're criticising? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #54

Maybe that's the source of the problem here. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #101

That's right tavalon Dec 2013 #142

Spider is referencing double-blind studies of efficacy, while you are... CreekDog Dec 2013 #44

Dude, there *ARE* no double-blind studies about what I am talking about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #51

Maybe there aren't any because there is no causal link between the treatment and the disease? CreekDog Dec 2013 #88

Sigh. If that is true, then it should be easy to prove, right? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #95

if you don't have a causal link, how are you going to prove one? CreekDog Dec 2013 #97

We can turn the sensory processing issues on and off like a water faucet. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #98

well at least you weren't testing on animals CreekDog Dec 2013 #99

If the medical establishment were doing their job correctly, tavalon Dec 2013 #145

No Studies Because Drug Companies/Government Doesn't Fund Them. Justina For Justice Dec 2013 #125

As long as you don't look, there never will be tavalon Dec 2013 #144

so we're supposed to spend millions studying her idea without a causal link? CreekDog Dec 2013 #174

How about spending $1K? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #186

why should we spend any money on your idea? CreekDog Dec 2013 #187

Dude, I just offered to pay for it, and I have identified IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #189

Butting in here to say that 5K wouldn't even buy a feasibility study. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #190

I have been told that $5k could probably get us a study design. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #193

Oh, and I would be happy to provide some free product to any physician IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #196

are you fundraising here for human, medical experimentation? CreekDog Dec 2013 #191

I am NOT fundraising here, thank you very much. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #192

I see no references. tavalon Dec 2013 #143

please don't dis citizen/patient advocates zazen Dec 2013 #55

I think I'm in love with you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #57

I've found it's really hard to post things like this here tavalon Dec 2013 #146

We have overseers on the internet, so-to-speak. Kurovski Dec 2013 #195

I don't think it has to do with money for many of the "anti-woo" folk. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #197

I'm not insulting anyone. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #70

Dr. Jerusalem tavalon Dec 2013 #141

It comes down to trusting your own personal experience with stuff. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #127

THIS ^^^^^ COLGATE4 Dec 2013 #21

Well said. It's unfortunate that the woosayers will completely ignore this. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #40

Yes Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #137

K&R PADemD Dec 2013 #2

Thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #26

it's also probably a waste of time.. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #128

Especially if they are refusing to look at it tavalon Dec 2013 #147

I can never comprehend their virulence in opposition. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #183

Science based medicine smacking down the multi-billion dollar supplement industry... SidDithers Dec 2013 #4

My "advice" on ignoring the benefits of folic acid was pure sarcasm. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #14

well phil89 Dec 2013 #129

83% is huge tavalon Dec 2013 #148

Oh dear. I missed the part where the Annals of Internal Medicine paper geckosfeet Dec 2013 #5

Apparently you missed the DU discussions about "woo". IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #15

Not at all. Just did not see it (the word "woo") in the article you referenced. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #68

On credibility frustrated_lefty Dec 2013 #6

Great article. jsr Dec 2013 #11

Good article... SidDithers Dec 2013 #12

Everyone in the industry needs to get published. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #28

Why? tavalon Dec 2013 #149

Have you never heard of the term "hypervitaminosis"? intaglio Dec 2013 #8

Well, it kills the assumption that they don't DO anything. loudsue Dec 2013 #16

LOL you said what I was thinking. nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #29

Yes, vitamins are good for you. So are minerals. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #17

The vast majority of people get their trace nutrients from their food intaglio Dec 2013 #49

Yes, the vast majority do get adequate trace minerals from their food. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #50

And all of those are diagnosed - by doctors. intaglio Dec 2013 #64

Get it right - LIQUID TRACE MINERALS. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #67

Sugar water then intaglio Dec 2013 #91

By doctors who have been taught at the knee of other doctors who..... tavalon Dec 2013 #152

Tell you what intaglio Dec 2013 #160

That is not my goal tavalon Dec 2013 #164

You have some knowledge tavalon Dec 2013 #151

Non-sequitur of the month intaglio Dec 2013 #162

How about reading the journals? tavalon Dec 2013 #165

What do you recommend for pernicious anemia? ~ nt antiquie Dec 2013 #178

A visit to the Doctor n/t intaglio Dec 2013 #179

Doc says vitamins, obviously a quake. antiquie Dec 2013 #181

Good, so you are taking "vitamins" under medical supervision intaglio Dec 2013 #182

I don't take A or E supplements, but I've never Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #80

Well, at least you picked fat solubles tavalon Dec 2013 #150

B6 is water soluble intaglio Dec 2013 #158

I'm not against evidenced based medicine tavalon Dec 2013 #163

Big Pharma wants us to buy prescription drugs, nothing over-the-counter. another_liberal Dec 2013 #9

I worry about this -- there are a lot of manufacturers out there IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #30

Kirkman labs tavalon Dec 2013 #153

And here comes the march of the woo's. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #38

Why the snake flag? another_liberal Dec 2013 #73

The flag is part of my signature. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #76

Well, at least that's cleared up. another_liberal Dec 2013 #79

Nope, never said that. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #85

I hope whoever is doing that has the good sense to stop at once. another_liberal Dec 2013 #87

We agree then. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #89

It was not my intent to offer folk cures or anything of that sort. another_liberal Dec 2013 #92

Yes - and whenever they see an herb working, they work to change it... polichick Dec 2013 #72

Hear! Hear! another_liberal Dec 2013 #74

Not really related except by the closed mindedness of medical profession. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #10

Oh I'm going to catch hell... svpadgham Dec 2013 #13

By the way... IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #82

Thank you for sharing the story. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #31

When I was growing up, we had an old dog who really perked up Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #84

Ida, there are a bunch of us who know what nutrition and natural remedies do to help people. loudsue Dec 2013 #18

Bottom line for me: whatever works. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #34

Whatever works? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #42

+1 Marr Dec 2013 #53

Well said... SidDithers Dec 2013 #58

WHAT A BLOODY BRILLIANT IDEA!!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Dec 2013 #100

Yeah, well, I'm guessing she might have tried to get that funding tavalon Dec 2013 #155

Guessing and big assumptions are the problem. Marr Dec 2013 #180

You are mistaken on multiple points in your post. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #184

Evidence based medicine is currently ignoring the evidence. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #56

provide an example and we can talk. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #60

What is the specific claim that you're making? Orrex Dec 2013 #61

Beautiful Post ^ ^ ^ cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #66

Let me spell it out for you. I think I've made it clear elsewhere, IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #78

Thank you for summarizing your experience. Orrex Dec 2013 #107

Orrex, you make valid points. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #112

"Food Matters" is a highly robust assertion, in part because no one has ever disputed it Orrex Dec 2013 #122

Yeah! Someone who CARES enough to ask!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #172

Actually, people like Ida and myself actually know about our medical subjects of interest tavalon Dec 2013 #157

Then present the data. You can't have it both ways. Orrex Dec 2013 #177

As I said earlier, I gave up trying to open minds here tavalon Dec 2013 #156

Provide per reviewed studies that have been replicated that can ...." loudsue Dec 2013 #104

Oh yes, hundreds of them. Ok then. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #105

Excellent way to look at 840high Dec 2013 #136

By willfully not looking tavalon Dec 2013 #154

Of course we love to stand by science. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #39

At least I haven't wasted $45/bottle of vitamin supplements that come out in my pee. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #48

Well phil89 Dec 2013 #130

You said allopathy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #138

''Magic is what we call any science we do not understand.'' ~Arthur C. Clarke DeSwiss Dec 2013 #19

The science of food and its supply is terrifying. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #23

Yep. Which is why I never dismiss out of hand, ideas the scientists would instantly reject as 'woo.' reformist2 Dec 2013 #83

I'd appreciate it if they'd just clean up their own shit first...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #106

the purveyors of woo aren't the ones that warned you about dangerous or unneeded supplements. CreekDog Dec 2013 #132

We are finally taking a look at antibacterial soaps tavalon Dec 2013 #159

The medical establishment and pellegra: hedgehog Dec 2013 #24

Thank you for sharing this. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #32

Every doctor I've ever asked has said the same thing to me, NO madokie Dec 2013 #33

Then don't. Each person is different, and if you don't have deficiency issues, IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #36

No doctor could tell me why I was infertile, had anemia, food intolerances tavalon Dec 2013 #161

Ya know, the amusing thing is that even tho you grossly misinterpreted the posted article... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #43

Be pissed all you want, but that editorial is right. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #46

Ask a sanitary engineer sometime how many pills, vitamins, & supplements pass completely untouched FSogol Dec 2013 #52

Sigh. Yes. Digestible nutritional supplements are a big deal. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #59

So that article said pregnant women shouldn't take folic acid? Or did you imagine that? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #62

Amazing, and I believe every word Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #63

Kids with these trace mineral deficiencies can't get magnesium IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #81

Need a break? Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #69

Yes, thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #86

Idda the article driving this rant does not say nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #75

Nadine, this is what the article says: IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #90

Pregnancy is NOT a chronic condition nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #94

True. But many of the babies/toddlers who have been helped pnwmom Dec 2013 #167

You are extrapolating far beyond what the editorial says. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #135

I consider you an expert on losing credibility CreekDog Dec 2013 #93

Thank you, CreekDog. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #96

lol tammywammy Dec 2013 #102

Oh, Ida! Let me diagnose this as "woo," because it's "anecdotal." Th1onein Dec 2013 #103

The problem is often that folks who think they are 'scientific' are anything but Matariki Dec 2013 #117

There are a group of people on here who are so pro-GMO..... Th1onein Dec 2013 #124

Well you have to think about the audience here on DU that reads this stuff. Rex Dec 2013 #120

Medicine is a big business and like a big business it tends to ossify Vox Moi Dec 2013 #108

I am oh so angry that you helped 121 babies with nutrition renate Dec 2013 #109

Nor does her passion validate her findings Orrex Dec 2013 #110

Tell you what - how about I share my data with you? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #114

You are welcome to send it, though I claim no expertise in assessing it. Orrex Dec 2013 #119

Thank you. I can't ever forget the 41 it didn't help. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #113

So phil89 Dec 2013 #131

Lookee here, NPR came out with an article about the dangers of vitamin supplements today: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #111

Its a reference to the article I'm ranting about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #115

Why are you consulting with veterinarians about child nutrition? Nobody here told you to do that. CreekDog Dec 2013 #118

. CreekDog Dec 2013 #121

You do know that it's illegal to practice Medicine without a license, don't you? NealK Dec 2013 #123

She's not. This is being overseen by an excellent Horse GP for the kid CP. CreekDog Dec 2013 #126

I work with premature infants and disabled infants. This is amazing. Thank you for sharing it.. Squinch Dec 2013 #133

Thank you, Squinch. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #139

Here's some interesting reading: blue neen Dec 2013 #134

Wow, as a NICU nurse who has an 18 year old with autism tavalon Dec 2013 #140

Thanks, Ida! Do you still have a website about this? n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #166

Yes, but it hasn't been updated for a while. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #173

Here is a simple example of a chronic condition that many adults have pnwmom Dec 2013 #168

^=== CHEERING! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #188

Try thinking critically for once. alarimer Dec 2013 #169

It was with trepidation that LWolf Dec 2013 #170

(blush) IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #171

Every time I feel like I'm getting sick Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #175

I can't believe some of the responses OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #176

Thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #198

Great post, Ida. I'm happy to K&R. Kurovski Dec 2013 #194