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Please note that prenatal folic acid and vitamin K injections aren't the same thing as supplements. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #1
+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #3
^^THIS^^ longship Dec 2013 #7
Folic acid and Vitamin K *ARE* both supplements. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #20
I'm sorry that you don't understand what you're talking about. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #22
Unfortunately, I do know what I'm talking about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #25
"I'm not a doctor - just better informed than they are. "... SidDithers Dec 2013 #27
Dr. Dre, specifically. Dr. Strange Dec 2013 #37
Heeh... SidDithers Dec 2013 #71
Yep. I said it. And I stand by it. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #41
i hate when she makes me agree with Sid CreekDog Dec 2013 #45
I'm kind of shocked too. NealK Dec 2013 #116
My brother IS a doctor with an MD from a well-known medical school, and Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #77
No, you clearly don't. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #35
Sigh. We're going in circles. Yes, folic acid (vitamin b9) is important. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #47
Did you actually bother to read the article you're criticising? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #54
Maybe that's the source of the problem here. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #101
That's right tavalon Dec 2013 #142
Spider is referencing double-blind studies of efficacy, while you are... CreekDog Dec 2013 #44
Dude, there *ARE* no double-blind studies about what I am talking about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #51
Maybe there aren't any because there is no causal link between the treatment and the disease? CreekDog Dec 2013 #88
Sigh. If that is true, then it should be easy to prove, right? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #95
if you don't have a causal link, how are you going to prove one? CreekDog Dec 2013 #97
We can turn the sensory processing issues on and off like a water faucet. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #98
well at least you weren't testing on animals CreekDog Dec 2013 #99
If the medical establishment were doing their job correctly, tavalon Dec 2013 #145
No Studies Because Drug Companies/Government Doesn't Fund Them. Justina For Justice Dec 2013 #125
As long as you don't look, there never will be tavalon Dec 2013 #144
so we're supposed to spend millions studying her idea without a causal link? CreekDog Dec 2013 #174
How about spending $1K? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #186
why should we spend any money on your idea? CreekDog Dec 2013 #187
Dude, I just offered to pay for it, and I have identified IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #189
Butting in here to say that 5K wouldn't even buy a feasibility study. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #190
I have been told that $5k could probably get us a study design. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #193
Oh, and I would be happy to provide some free product to any physician IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #196
are you fundraising here for human, medical experimentation? CreekDog Dec 2013 #191
I am NOT fundraising here, thank you very much. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #192
I see no references. tavalon Dec 2013 #143
please don't dis citizen/patient advocates zazen Dec 2013 #55
I think I'm in love with you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #57
I've found it's really hard to post things like this here tavalon Dec 2013 #146
We have overseers on the internet, so-to-speak. Kurovski Dec 2013 #195
I don't think it has to do with money for many of the "anti-woo" folk. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #197
I'm not insulting anyone. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #70
Dr. Jerusalem tavalon Dec 2013 #141
It comes down to trusting your own personal experience with stuff. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #127
THIS ^^^^^ COLGATE4 Dec 2013 #21
Well said. It's unfortunate that the woosayers will completely ignore this. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #40
Yes Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #137
K&R PADemD Dec 2013 #2
Thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #26
it's also probably a waste of time.. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #128
Especially if they are refusing to look at it tavalon Dec 2013 #147
I can never comprehend their virulence in opposition. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #183
Science based medicine smacking down the multi-billion dollar supplement industry... SidDithers Dec 2013 #4
My "advice" on ignoring the benefits of folic acid was pure sarcasm. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #14
well phil89 Dec 2013 #129
83% is huge tavalon Dec 2013 #148
Oh dear. I missed the part where the Annals of Internal Medicine paper geckosfeet Dec 2013 #5
Apparently you missed the DU discussions about "woo". IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #15
Not at all. Just did not see it (the word "woo") in the article you referenced. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #68
On credibility frustrated_lefty Dec 2013 #6
Great article. jsr Dec 2013 #11
Good article... SidDithers Dec 2013 #12
Everyone in the industry needs to get published. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #28
Why? tavalon Dec 2013 #149
Have you never heard of the term "hypervitaminosis"? intaglio Dec 2013 #8
Well, it kills the assumption that they don't DO anything. loudsue Dec 2013 #16
LOL you said what I was thinking. nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #29
Yes, vitamins are good for you. So are minerals. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #17
The vast majority of people get their trace nutrients from their food intaglio Dec 2013 #49
Yes, the vast majority do get adequate trace minerals from their food. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #50
And all of those are diagnosed - by doctors. intaglio Dec 2013 #64
Get it right - LIQUID TRACE MINERALS. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #67
Sugar water then intaglio Dec 2013 #91
By doctors who have been taught at the knee of other doctors who..... tavalon Dec 2013 #152
Tell you what intaglio Dec 2013 #160
That is not my goal tavalon Dec 2013 #164
You have some knowledge tavalon Dec 2013 #151
Non-sequitur of the month intaglio Dec 2013 #162
How about reading the journals? tavalon Dec 2013 #165
What do you recommend for pernicious anemia? ~ nt antiquie Dec 2013 #178
A visit to the Doctor n/t intaglio Dec 2013 #179
Doc says vitamins, obviously a quake. antiquie Dec 2013 #181
Good, so you are taking "vitamins" under medical supervision intaglio Dec 2013 #182
I don't take A or E supplements, but I've never Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #80
Well, at least you picked fat solubles tavalon Dec 2013 #150
B6 is water soluble intaglio Dec 2013 #158
I'm not against evidenced based medicine tavalon Dec 2013 #163
Big Pharma wants us to buy prescription drugs, nothing over-the-counter. another_liberal Dec 2013 #9
I worry about this -- there are a lot of manufacturers out there IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #30
Kirkman labs tavalon Dec 2013 #153
And here comes the march of the woo's. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #38
Why the snake flag? another_liberal Dec 2013 #73
The flag is part of my signature. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #76
Well, at least that's cleared up. another_liberal Dec 2013 #79
Nope, never said that. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #85
I hope whoever is doing that has the good sense to stop at once. another_liberal Dec 2013 #87
We agree then. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #89
It was not my intent to offer folk cures or anything of that sort. another_liberal Dec 2013 #92
Yes - and whenever they see an herb working, they work to change it... polichick Dec 2013 #72
Hear! Hear! another_liberal Dec 2013 #74
Not really related except by the closed mindedness of medical profession. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #10
Oh I'm going to catch hell... svpadgham Dec 2013 #13
By the way... IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #82
Thank you for sharing the story. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #31
When I was growing up, we had an old dog who really perked up Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #84
Ida, there are a bunch of us who know what nutrition and natural remedies do to help people. loudsue Dec 2013 #18
Bottom line for me: whatever works. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #34
Whatever works? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #42
+1 Marr Dec 2013 #53
Well said... SidDithers Dec 2013 #58
WHAT A BLOODY BRILLIANT IDEA!!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Dec 2013 #100
Yeah, well, I'm guessing she might have tried to get that funding tavalon Dec 2013 #155
Guessing and big assumptions are the problem. Marr Dec 2013 #180
You are mistaken on multiple points in your post. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #184
Evidence based medicine is currently ignoring the evidence. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #56
provide an example and we can talk. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #60
What is the specific claim that you're making? Orrex Dec 2013 #61
Beautiful Post ^ ^ ^ cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #66
Let me spell it out for you. I think I've made it clear elsewhere, IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #78
Thank you for summarizing your experience. Orrex Dec 2013 #107
Orrex, you make valid points. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #112
"Food Matters" is a highly robust assertion, in part because no one has ever disputed it Orrex Dec 2013 #122
Yeah! Someone who CARES enough to ask!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #172
Actually, people like Ida and myself actually know about our medical subjects of interest tavalon Dec 2013 #157
Then present the data. You can't have it both ways. Orrex Dec 2013 #177
As I said earlier, I gave up trying to open minds here tavalon Dec 2013 #156
Provide per reviewed studies that have been replicated that can ...." loudsue Dec 2013 #104
Oh yes, hundreds of them. Ok then. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #105
Excellent way to look at 840high Dec 2013 #136
By willfully not looking tavalon Dec 2013 #154
Of course we love to stand by science. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #39
At least I haven't wasted $45/bottle of vitamin supplements that come out in my pee. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #48
Well phil89 Dec 2013 #130
You said allopathy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #138
''Magic is what we call any science we do not understand.'' ~Arthur C. Clarke DeSwiss Dec 2013 #19
The science of food and its supply is terrifying. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #23
Yep. Which is why I never dismiss out of hand, ideas the scientists would instantly reject as 'woo.' reformist2 Dec 2013 #83
I'd appreciate it if they'd just clean up their own shit first...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #106
the purveyors of woo aren't the ones that warned you about dangerous or unneeded supplements. CreekDog Dec 2013 #132
We are finally taking a look at antibacterial soaps tavalon Dec 2013 #159
The medical establishment and pellegra: hedgehog Dec 2013 #24
Thank you for sharing this. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #32
Every doctor I've ever asked has said the same thing to me, NO madokie Dec 2013 #33
Then don't. Each person is different, and if you don't have deficiency issues, IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #36
No doctor could tell me why I was infertile, had anemia, food intolerances tavalon Dec 2013 #161
Ya know, the amusing thing is that even tho you grossly misinterpreted the posted article... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #43
Be pissed all you want, but that editorial is right. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #46
Ask a sanitary engineer sometime how many pills, vitamins, & supplements pass completely untouched FSogol Dec 2013 #52
Sigh. Yes. Digestible nutritional supplements are a big deal. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #59
So that article said pregnant women shouldn't take folic acid? Or did you imagine that? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #62
Amazing, and I believe every word Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #63
Kids with these trace mineral deficiencies can't get magnesium IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #81
Need a break? Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #69
Yes, thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #86
Idda the article driving this rant does not say nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #75
Nadine, this is what the article says: IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #90
Pregnancy is NOT a chronic condition nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #94
True. But many of the babies/toddlers who have been helped pnwmom Dec 2013 #167
You are extrapolating far beyond what the editorial says. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #135
I consider you an expert on losing credibility CreekDog Dec 2013 #93
Thank you, CreekDog. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #96
lol tammywammy Dec 2013 #102
Oh, Ida! Let me diagnose this as "woo," because it's "anecdotal." Th1onein Dec 2013 #103
The problem is often that folks who think they are 'scientific' are anything but Matariki Dec 2013 #117
There are a group of people on here who are so pro-GMO..... Th1onein Dec 2013 #124
Well you have to think about the audience here on DU that reads this stuff. Rex Dec 2013 #120
Medicine is a big business and like a big business it tends to ossify Vox Moi Dec 2013 #108
I am oh so angry that you helped 121 babies with nutrition renate Dec 2013 #109
Nor does her passion validate her findings Orrex Dec 2013 #110
Tell you what - how about I share my data with you? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #114
You are welcome to send it, though I claim no expertise in assessing it. Orrex Dec 2013 #119
Thank you. I can't ever forget the 41 it didn't help. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #113
So phil89 Dec 2013 #131
Lookee here, NPR came out with an article about the dangers of vitamin supplements today: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #111
Its a reference to the article I'm ranting about. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #115
Why are you consulting with veterinarians about child nutrition? Nobody here told you to do that. CreekDog Dec 2013 #118
. CreekDog Dec 2013 #121
You do know that it's illegal to practice Medicine without a license, don't you? NealK Dec 2013 #123
She's not. This is being overseen by an excellent Horse GP for the kid CP. CreekDog Dec 2013 #126
I work with premature infants and disabled infants. This is amazing. Thank you for sharing it.. Squinch Dec 2013 #133
Thank you, Squinch. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #139
Here's some interesting reading: blue neen Dec 2013 #134
Wow, as a NICU nurse who has an 18 year old with autism tavalon Dec 2013 #140
Thanks, Ida! Do you still have a website about this? n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #166
Yes, but it hasn't been updated for a while. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #173
Here is a simple example of a chronic condition that many adults have pnwmom Dec 2013 #168
Or they could stop eating those Big Macs©, eat more vegetables and save their hearts to boot. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #185
^=== CHEERING! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #188
Try thinking critically for once. alarimer Dec 2013 #169
It was with trepidation that LWolf Dec 2013 #170
(blush) IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #171
Every time I feel like I'm getting sick Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #175
I can't believe some of the responses OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #176
Thank you. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #198
Great post, Ida. I'm happy to K&R. Kurovski Dec 2013 #194
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