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In reply to the discussion: No charges ever pressed: Assange marks three years of UK detention [View all]treestar
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No charges ever pressed: Assange marks three years of UK detention [View all]
Jesus Malverde
Dec 2013
OP
Assange admitted to the acts alleged in the EAW. That was the basis of his legal argument against
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#298
The rape apologia is pushed by a very small group of the "Left." Actual progressives
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#389
The UK ruled that what he did was sexual assault in the UK and the rest of the
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#390
BainsBane I said this before, I appreciate your strong stand on women's issues
Matariki
Dec 2013
#396
throw out the names polanski, dfk or edwards and you get the same. at least, she is consistent
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#134
They had their chance while he waited for them in Sweden; & remain welcome to come to him.
snot
Dec 2013
#257
A woman (and Assange supporter) filed a claim of rape with their government against him. It may not
okaawhatever
Dec 2013
#17
Assange will not leave Ecuador embassy even if Sweden drops extradition bid (Guardian | 18 Jun 13)
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#116
A blatant distortion of facts in order to protect an accused sexual assailant
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#61
"The Assange apologists are no different from the people in Steubenville"...
SidDithers
Dec 2013
#66
Assange has an active order to appear before the Swedish court AS THE LINKED COURT DOCUMENTS SHOW
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#90
Her boss took back her comments for her when she reopened the case at the request of the victims
hack89
Dec 2013
#128
One rape charge, one unlawful coercion charge and two charges of sexual molestation
hack89
Dec 2013
#132
Unwanted sex with a sleeping woman is rape in most countries, including America
hack89
Dec 2013
#145
Assange's lawyers dragged that argument through the UK courts and lost: the Swedes, according
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#191
You should reread the post #191 to which you are responding, because the actual issue here
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#223
Assange's lawyer Hurtig testified at Belmarsh that he was told on 15 September 2010
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#294
"Mr Hurtig is an unreliable witness" according to the Findings of Facts and Reasons
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#312
Translation: "I haven't actually read any of the extradition hearing materials"
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#316
If you feel the need to put words in other DUer's mouth to make your arguments...
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#317
Had you read the documents, you would know Assange's Swedish lawyer WAS a witness at Belmarsh
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#323
Had you read the link #294 I gave you, you couldn't say "No more so than any other defense lawyer""
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#327
You link to reporting on the Svea Court of Appeal case: they upheld the arrest warrant for Assange
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#330
The testimony of Hurtig at Belmarsh was not that Assange notified the prosecutors that Assange
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#335
The arrest warrant was not issued until 2 months after Assange left the country
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#339
Assange has evidently never had any intention to submit to further Swedish process here
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#343
The woman in question texted a friend after the fact saying she wasn't asleep
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#263
Under Swedish law, a complainant can appeal a prosecutor's decision not to prosecute a case ---
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#297
You quoted a bullshit and outdated 2010 article that gave the view of Assange's lawyers
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#188
This sub-thread has been sublime. The cries of "propaganda!' hurled at the ones who are listening,
Number23
Dec 2013
#196
The same prosecutor's office that reopened a RAPE investigation shortly thereafter?
hack89
Dec 2013
#133
The authoritarians have fallen all over themselves trying to discredit Snowden and Assange.
former9thward
Dec 2013
#144
So Sweden doesn't get to define what constitutes sexual crimes in their country? Ok.
hack89
Dec 2013
#146
They discredit themselves over and over. Outside 'help' is not even needed at this point.
randome
Dec 2013
#149
Sweden and other EU countries have an agreement that they can interview suspects in
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#180
Swedish law, oddly, takes the view that crimes committed in the Realm of Sweden are to be prosecuted
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#190
Sweden of course has the opinion of all democracies, that they have the right to file charges
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#202
Your claims have been answered repeatedly in this thread and in many previous threads:
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#214
No, it's called holding him responsible for his actions. The woman who claimed rape was one of his
okaawhatever
Dec 2013
#18
It's going on four years, WHERE ARE THE CHARGES? There ARE none because it NEVER HAPPENED.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#27
I've explained to you multiple times that Swedish law is not the same as US law.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#52
It is more than a farce, it is a crime, a crime against the people to try to silence those who tell
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#78
You know that the UK court, the same one that refused to extradite Pinochet btw, granted the
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#158
He is 'stuck' because the UK will not grant him safe passage to the country which
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#178
Lol, Assange and Ecuador are not the ones in a 'mess'. They have accomplished the goal
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#245
No it hasn't. Just post the Charges filed in the Swedish Court against Assange and that
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#172
What??? Charges do NOT have to be filed in order for a member state of the EU to
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#210
Well you must know EU law and extraction law better than the high court of Britain
treestar
Dec 2013
#237
The Swedish Prosecutor has refused to conduct the necessary interview for over three years
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#169
Stop making stuff up please. The facts of this case are simple. Sweden files charges against
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#174
Yes, Swedish law requires an interview with the subject before filing charges. At last, some facts
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#213
Assange broke no laws in Sweden? Which is why Sweden filed a European Arrest Warrant? nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#314
Just post the charges filed in a Swedish Court claiming he broke any laws there, and we can
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#326
Stop with the nonsense, it's getting old. Sweden charges people with crimes every day, just like
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#397
Where are the charges?? That is the ONLY relevant question. I have asked, over and over again
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#398
All irrelevant. I have read all of it and it all it says is that the Western Powers, the UK being
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#402
Where were the witnesses, the evidence? Right, there was none, because what you have linked to is
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#404
I did not say there was no arrest warrant for Bin Laden. Read my comment again.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#407
Assange's lawyers were free to argue this matter in the UK courts but decided not to do so
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#118
The UK court has no jurisidiction in Sweden. That was an EXTRADTION HEARING. The UK CANNOT
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#399
There ARE no CHARGES. Might help if peope commenting on this story actually knew something
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#9
Wrong!! There have never been charges filed against Assange in Sweden or anywhere else.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#25
This has been repeatedly explained to Sabrina, on many different threads. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#39
Just ist thre charges and the court in which they were filed. It's not that hard.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#72
I linked in #184 \a very detailed discussion of Swedish criminal procedure. Why not read it?
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#304
I am very familiar with Swedish law. The fact is that NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#309
Those actually interested in Swedish criminal procedure will, I think, read the links
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#313
Assange had never been charged with any crimes. Please list the court and the charges filed
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#74
Assange had never been charged with any crimes. Please list the court and the charges filed
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#74
So you can't ist the charges, thank you. Assange has never been charged with a crime
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#70
I've read them all. Over and over. Now please either show the formal Charges you are claiming
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#141
How about looking at the FACTS. There have been NO charges, Swedish Style which is what matters
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#156
Swedish Charges, filed in a Swedish Court. Please provide evidence that this has ever happened.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#177
You disagree with everyone here that Swedish legal procedures are different than the UK and USA
hack89
Dec 2013
#183
Lol, you mean I have been given false information by a small crew of peope here who have no clue
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#217
Oh that's for sure. But still, no information from you as to the CHARGES filed against Assange by
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#230
What did the document say about how charges are waged in the Swedish justice system?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#189
discussions with sabrina would be more interesting if sabrina posted links or read the links
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#117
Just post the formal charges filed by the Swedish Prosecutor in a Swedish court and you won't
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#151
... On numerous occasions we have heard Julian Assange say that he is not charged with any crime.
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#186
Frequently does. Never seems to make even the slightest bit of difference though.
Number23
Dec 2013
#89
Please post the charges you all are claiming were filed in the Swedish Court against Assange.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#161
What are the charges? Could you post the charges filed in Sweden so we know what this
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#221
Thank you for finally admitting the obvious. There are no charges against Assange. So what is the
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#239
So the UK legal system can be forever ignored because you don't like the result of the Pinochet case
treestar
Dec 2013
#241
It's good, but I don't think much will ever top the "Homeland Security was cracking down on Occupy"
Number23
Dec 2013
#193
Please post the charges filed in a Swedish Court against Assange. I'm still waiting.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#153
Maybe you can help. Post the filing of charges in the Swedish Court that a few misinformed people
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#159
Answer what? He has not been charged with any crimes in Sweden. Why would someone go to 'answer'
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#218
I dunno, there is an extradition out, supposedly the courts in Britain would ignore it
treestar
Dec 2013
#235
Please post the charges filed in the Swedish Court. The US system has ZERO to do with Sweden
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#160
Wrong, he doesn't have to set foot on that soil in order to be charged. He will never be charged
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#157
Why? I don't think I've ever presented myself as someone who does not believe
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#170
I understand what you meant and agree. If he didn't do it, he shouldn't worry about answering
okaawhatever
Dec 2013
#11
Are you serious? Do you know ANYTHING about this farce?? Did you know that he stayed in Sweden
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#21
No, I'm familiar. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean i'm wrong. I also think he is/was
okaawhatever
Dec 2013
#23
He isn't worried. He WAS interviewed by the Swedish Police, he offered to remain in Sweden to
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#31
Post the charges filled in Sweden by the Sweden Prosecutors. That is the issue here that a few
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#206
The same 'British Court' that refused to grant the request for the extradition of Pinochet, a
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#243
In fact, sabrina's post is factually incorrect. The Pinochet case is actually quite confusing. Spain
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#306
The decision not to extradite Pinochet from the UK to Spain was not a judicial decision:
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#300
I don't waste time on people who are knee-jerk reacting to issues, I just use their comments to
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#303
In that case, Chile itself objected to Spanish extradition request: Pinochet was returned to Chile
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#305
Hilarious, isn't it? And no charges have ever been filed against him leading to the conclusion in
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#225
Creating a website to leak classified docs doesn't give you carte blanche to go around raping people
Cali_Democrat
Dec 2013
#42
Please post the case transcripts that prove the allegation you just made. Or even post any
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#207
Thank you. I appreciate that! But you avoided answering any of my questions.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#209
you better leave that little hero in swaddling clothes alone buster, or you're gonna get it!
dionysus
Dec 2013
#108
Assange is not in detention. He sought and was granted political asylum due to the threat to his
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#163
Thank you. It's not hard really, the same false statements are made every time this issue arises.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#338
He ought to go get it over with. I don't think the US is going to grab him.
Comrade Grumpy
Dec 2013
#54
But then the UK will probably file charges for jumping bail! And when he's extradited to Sweden
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#97
Yes, if he wants to place himself in danger of being grabbed by the Swedish Karl Rove puppets
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#166
it really does not matter how he defines it. he needs to go back to his day in court. rapists
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#82
'His day in court'. Where are the Charges in Sweden? To have a 'day in court' there has to be
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#219
omg, sabrina, really? lol. it has clearly been explained as you ignored. run... rapist run.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#224
Omg, Seabeyond!! He is not in detention, has been granted ASYLUM, a very different matter and
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#226
no shit he is not in detention, hence "detention". and ya, a criminal has to hide from the law.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#227
Are you claiming that he has been charged and convicted of a crime? Please inform the rest of the
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#229
Lol, I know, I am not holding my breath. But the absolute certainty of the 'charges' without a
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#247
I actually agree with you and the ONLY reason I even bother with them when most people
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#251
Especially since a few months prior to the allegations Wikileaks obtained a CIA document
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#250
She's gotten answers..she just refuses to believe them. I am assuming you read the EAW....
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#269
Just list the charges filed against Assange in the Swedish Court as claimed here in this thread.
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#282
Sabrina, I no longer answer you questions because of the behavior exhibited
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#283
He's never been charged with anything in Sweden so there's nothing to 'wait out'. Why have they
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#220
could it be you've willfully ignored repeated attempts to explain that the Swedish judicial system
dionysus
Dec 2013
#231
Could it be that you are ignoring the FACT that the Swedish Prosecutor has REFUSED to take
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#234
I wonder if the embassy staff throws him a party on these anniversaries? (nt)
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#86
Someone's leaving Ecuador's embassy... but it's not Julian Assange (Independent | 9 Jun 13)
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#120
I suspect when he leaves the embassy he'll be awarded a year free in Her Majesty's Bed and Breakfast
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#88
Assange is not in detention in the UK. He is voluntarily living in an embassy.
Agnosticsherbet
Dec 2013
#104
Most people will not regard a person, who is in hiding after jumping bail, as being in detention
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#119
Now you're getting desperate. Assange has been granted asylum. And who did Assange murder
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#280
I expect almost no one thinks time spent as a fugitive, evading the law, counts as time in detention
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#295
So you're not familiar with the history of Asylum seekers? You really think a murderer = political
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#299
I don't regard time spent as a fugitive, evading the lawful judgment of courts, as time in detention
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#302
It 'sounds' better though, and makes him seem more the 'victim' which is why they use that word n/t
Bodhi BloodWave
Dec 2013
#115
Actually I looked for an alternate source mentioning the milestone and couldn't find one.
Jesus Malverde
Dec 2013
#176
Yep. I have no one on ignore so I'm asking those who apparently are on most people's ignore lists
sabrina 1
Dec 2013
#222
There are no charges against Assange yet many here already say he's guilty.
Vashta Nerada
Dec 2013
#252
The worst thing that could happen to Assange is he goes to Sweden and the charges are dropped.
randome
Dec 2013
#296
Seldom have I seen such a wreck. And the fact that most of it was done by a single poster
Number23
Dec 2013
#321
The only reason no charges have been pressed is because he is avoiding the country
gollygee
Dec 2013
#279
He could also be acquitted only to be extradited to the US to share a cell with Manning
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#341
Sweden refused to question Assange remotely even before he went to the embassy
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#368
It's very simple: our Alpha-Centarian overlords have taking a special liking to Ecuador and
struggle4progress
Dec 2013
#365