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308. Those links made for great reading. I'd missed them previously

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #173)

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:08 PM

Dec 2013

posted inside your OP was this link, which makes for great reading and sadly is way too recognizable on DU: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

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No charges ever pressed: Assange marks three years of UK detention [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP

He has the power to end his own detention 4now Dec 2013 #1

There are zero "rape charges filed against him." 99Forever Dec 2013 #2

+1. Nt newfie11 Dec 2013 #3

Assange stands accused under Swedish law BainsBane Dec 2013 #346

Only because he won't go to Sweden to answer them. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #4

Blah blah blah.. 99Forever Dec 2013 #6

"if that is what blows your dress up" xulamaude Dec 2013 #12

Yeah, assange would rather sit in his little room blowing Cha Dec 2013 #16

I wonder how many women he has since assaulted BainsBane Dec 2013 #94

I see your point, BB I didn't even stop to think Cha Dec 2013 #99

Do you mind if I post that in HOF? BainsBane Dec 2013 #103

Of course, I don't mind.. please do! Cha Dec 2013 #106

Wow, you two are way off in la-la land. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #253

That is the MO of sexual assailants BainsBane Dec 2013 #255

Even when the charges against them are trumped up? RC Dec 2013 #281

Assange admitted to the acts alleged in the EAW. That was the basis of his legal argument against msanthrope Dec 2013 #298

An important reminder, Mysanthrope. Thank you. pnwmom Dec 2013 #331

They don't read them because they do not care BainsBane Dec 2013 #347

The rape apologia is pushed by a very small group of the "Left." Actual progressives msanthrope Dec 2013 #389

Consent was obviously breached under Swedish law. joshcryer Dec 2013 #358

The UK ruled that what he did was sexual assault in the UK and the rest of the msanthrope Dec 2013 #390

trumped up? BainsBane Dec 2013 #345

No, I think governments are lier's. RC Dec 2013 #388

At least one lady in question got a rape kit done. joshcryer Dec 2013 #362

+100 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #262

"Real agenda"? paranoid much? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #19

Bullshit. 99Forever Dec 2013 #22

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #24

Your horseshit claims have been addressed ad nausium. 99Forever Dec 2013 #32

How do you manage to type... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #36

How do you manage to post with that nose problem of yours? 99Forever Dec 2013 #38

You're the one engaged in the cult of personality BainsBane Dec 2013 #349

Blah blah blah.. 99Forever Dec 2013 #381

You've addressed nothing BainsBane Dec 2013 #348

"If the facts are on his side he has nothing to fear from a trial." nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #64

And why should we fear government surveillance if we have nothing to hide? MNBrewer Dec 2013 #148

non-sequitur BainsBane Dec 2013 #350

exactly like steubenville? GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #379

You are seriously arguing that Sweden is a closer US ally than the UK. jeff47 Dec 2013 #45

Actually the "line" is the court record BainsBane Dec 2013 #95

Yeah right... 99Forever Dec 2013 #204

Sorry for the news, but did you see Warren isn't running? snooper2 Dec 2013 #137

C'mon now, would you tell a kid there's no Santa Claus? brooklynite Dec 2013 #150

She "isn't running" at this moment. 99Forever Dec 2013 #205

You seem to have such a way with words. pnwmom Dec 2013 #332

+100000 The propaganda machine is as predictable as rain woo me with science Dec 2013 #59

The propaganda is on the part of the Assange apologists BainsBane Dec 2013 #96

Oh, that's priceless. Thank you for that. woo me with science Dec 2013 #173

Those links made for great reading. I'd missed them previously Matariki Dec 2013 #308

That's superb. Thank you for posting it again. woo me with science Dec 2013 #322

Yes, it seems to be true. Matariki Dec 2013 #325

I see BainsBane Dec 2013 #352

BainsBane I said this before, I appreciate your strong stand on women's issues Matariki Dec 2013 #396

Pure bullshit BainsBane Dec 2013 #351

Yes, anyone with a brain does know the real agenda BainsBane Dec 2013 #67

Bullshit. No text required. 99Forever Dec 2013 #85

Are you still refusing to read the court documents? BainsBane Dec 2013 #113

Bullshit. 99Forever Dec 2013 #122

It's like a two year olds temper tantrum... Agschmid Dec 2013 #127

throw out the names polanski, dfk or edwards and you get the same. at least, she is consistent seabeyond Dec 2013 #134

I have to say BainsBane Dec 2013 #353

Clearly the facts are too much for you, so you start name-calling instead. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #329

They had their chance while he waited for them in Sweden; & remain welcome to come to him. snot Dec 2013 #257

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #258

Even if this were reliable/accurate, it's irrelevant to my statement. snot Dec 2013 #259

That's not how it works. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #260

They had their chance? BainsBane Dec 2013 #354

Once he shows up in Sweden, the there will be. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #5

A woman (and Assange supporter) filed a claim of rape with their government against him. It may not okaawhatever Dec 2013 #17

+1 LittleBlue Dec 2013 #41

Actually, your two points are quite wrong. jeff47 Dec 2013 #49

I understand perfectly LittleBlue Dec 2013 #53

Really? #2 is your problem? jeff47 Dec 2013 #60

What a pathetically stupid argument you make LittleBlue Dec 2013 #63

No, pathetic is responding like that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #65

No, pathetic is putting forth arguments that you know are false LittleBlue Dec 2013 #68

If those arguments were so terrible, you wouldn't be desperately ignoring them. jeff47 Dec 2013 #92

Assange will not leave Ecuador embassy even if Sweden drops extradition bid (Guardian | 18 Jun 13) struggle4progress Dec 2013 #116

A blatant distortion of facts in order to protect an accused sexual assailant BainsBane Dec 2013 #61

"The Assange apologists are no different from the people in Steubenville"... SidDithers Dec 2013 #66

Despite your attempts to smear the rape charges have been dropped. former9thward Dec 2013 #77

Assange has an active order to appear before the Swedish court AS THE LINKED COURT DOCUMENTS SHOW BainsBane Dec 2013 #90

I quoted the prosecutor's office. former9thward Dec 2013 #123

You cherry picked an old and outdated article hack89 Dec 2013 #125

Has the prosecutor taken back her comments? former9thward Dec 2013 #126

Her boss took back her comments for her when she reopened the case at the request of the victims hack89 Dec 2013 #128

No, the office never took back the comments. former9thward Dec 2013 #131

One rape charge, one unlawful coercion charge and two charges of sexual molestation hack89 Dec 2013 #132

Do you know the definition of "rape" in Swedish law? former9thward Dec 2013 #143

Unwanted sex with a sleeping woman is rape in most countries, including America hack89 Dec 2013 #145

The Swedish authorities are free to question him in London. former9thward Dec 2013 #152

Because they cannot arrest him in London, a point you insist on ignoring hack89 Dec 2013 #155

Assange's lawyers dragged that argument through the UK courts and lost: the Swedes, according struggle4progress Dec 2013 #191

"new and special rules invented by crackpots" ? former9thward Dec 2013 #215

You should reread the post #191 to which you are responding, because the actual issue here struggle4progress Dec 2013 #223

He fled nothing Major Nikon Dec 2013 #264

Assange's lawyer Hurtig testified at Belmarsh that he was told on 15 September 2010 struggle4progress Dec 2013 #294

There's a few things you're missing Major Nikon Dec 2013 #307

"Mr Hurtig is an unreliable witness" according to the Findings of Facts and Reasons struggle4progress Dec 2013 #312

He's Assange's lawyer, not a witness Major Nikon Dec 2013 #315

Translation: "I haven't actually read any of the extradition hearing materials" struggle4progress Dec 2013 #316

If you feel the need to put words in other DUer's mouth to make your arguments... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #317

Had you read the documents, you would know Assange's Swedish lawyer WAS a witness at Belmarsh struggle4progress Dec 2013 #323

No more so than any other defense lawyer Major Nikon Dec 2013 #324

Had you read the link #294 I gave you, you couldn't say "No more so than any other defense lawyer"" struggle4progress Dec 2013 #327

You link to reporting on the Svea Court of Appeal case: they upheld the arrest warrant for Assange struggle4progress Dec 2013 #330

I never claimed otherwise Major Nikon Dec 2013 #333

The testimony of Hurtig at Belmarsh was not that Assange notified the prosecutors that Assange struggle4progress Dec 2013 #335

The arrest warrant was not issued until 2 months after Assange left the country Major Nikon Dec 2013 #339

Assange has evidently never had any intention to submit to further Swedish process here struggle4progress Dec 2013 #343

If they charge him in the embassy Ecuador can take on the case. joshcryer Dec 2013 #364

The woman in question texted a friend after the fact saying she wasn't asleep Major Nikon Dec 2013 #263

So Assange most likely will be acquitted, won't he? hack89 Dec 2013 #267

Would you go? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #268

Are Swedish juries known to be fair and impartial? hack89 Dec 2013 #271

Another option is enough people figure out the 2nd prosecutor is a fraud Major Nikon Dec 2013 #274

The interview should not be an issue as long as Assange agrees to surrender hack89 Dec 2013 #275

Under Swedish law, a complainant can appeal a prosecutor's decision not to prosecute a case --- struggle4progress Dec 2013 #297

Sex without a condom when a condom was requested is, too. joshcryer Dec 2013 #359

You quoted a bullshit and outdated 2010 article that gave the view of Assange's lawyers BainsBane Dec 2013 #188

This sub-thread has been sublime. The cries of "propaganda!' hurled at the ones who are listening, Number23 Dec 2013 #196

"Gave the view of Assange's lawyers" former9thward Dec 2013 #278

Your distortion of the legal record means I am not "smearing" your great man BainsBane Dec 2013 #91

I quoted the prosecutor's office. former9thward Dec 2013 #124

The same prosecutor's office that reopened a RAPE investigation shortly thereafter? hack89 Dec 2013 #133

The authoritarians have fallen all over themselves trying to discredit Snowden and Assange. former9thward Dec 2013 #144

So Sweden doesn't get to define what constitutes sexual crimes in their country? Ok. hack89 Dec 2013 #146

They discredit themselves over and over. Outside 'help' is not even needed at this point. randome Dec 2013 #149

Snowden will be testifying before the EU. former9thward Dec 2013 #154

It has not been decided if he will testify or not. randome Dec 2013 #175

Well let them know what the testimony will be. former9thward Dec 2013 #203

Sweden and other EU countries have an agreement that they can interview suspects in sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #180

Swedish law, oddly, takes the view that crimes committed in the Realm of Sweden are to be prosecuted struggle4progress Dec 2013 #190

Sweden of course has the opinion of all democracies, that they have the right to file charges sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #202

Your claims have been answered repeatedly in this thread and in many previous threads: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #214

And this is why I never, ever answer Sabrina's questions. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #233

It's like playing chess with a pigeon... SidDithers Dec 2013 #248

I'm lucky. joshcryer Dec 2013 #360

+1 and thanks. Matariki Dec 2013 #62

It's a willful distortion of the facts. BainsBane Dec 2013 #93

I disagree Matariki Dec 2013 #187

You are being deliberately obtuse. pnwmom Dec 2013 #328

Hyperbole? Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #8

Exposing Bush War Crimes now being opposed by the 'Left'. Amazing, isnt it? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #10

No, it's called holding him responsible for his actions. The woman who claimed rape was one of his okaawhatever Dec 2013 #18

It's going on four years, WHERE ARE THE CHARGES? There ARE none because it NEVER HAPPENED. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #27

I've explained to you multiple times that Swedish law is not the same as US law. jeff47 Dec 2013 #52

That's why this country is doomed. tblue Dec 2013 #56

Bush has nothing to do with it treestar Dec 2013 #242

Death sentences? The DOJ is unlikely to file any kind of charges bhikkhu Dec 2013 #26

Why has the Swedins Prosecutor not filed any charges against him? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #28

I'm afraid I don't know a thing about the issues in Sweden bhikkhu Dec 2013 #30

It is more than a farce, it is a crime, a crime against the people to try to silence those who tell sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #78

Its hard to get to worked up over a crime involving no charges or prosecution bhikkhu Dec 2013 #100

You know that the UK court, the same one that refused to extradite Pinochet btw, granted the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #158

He has diplomatic asylum, not political asylum hack89 Dec 2013 #165

He is 'stuck' because the UK will not grant him safe passage to the country which sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #178

The UK is not legally required by international law to give him safe passage hack89 Dec 2013 #181

Lol, Assange and Ecuador are not the ones in a 'mess'. They have accomplished the goal sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #245

He is still trapped like a rat hack89 Dec 2013 #266

That's been explained over and over treestar Dec 2013 #40

No it hasn't. Just post the Charges filed in the Swedish Court against Assange and that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #172

Why do the charges have to be filed for extradition to take place? treestar Dec 2013 #195

What??? Charges do NOT have to be filed in order for a member state of the EU to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #210

Well you must know EU law and extraction law better than the high court of Britain treestar Dec 2013 #237

The thing that is funny is that in the UK courts davidpdx Dec 2013 #272

And international law is far more complex than domestic law treestar Dec 2013 #293

Swedish law is not the same as US law. jeff47 Dec 2013 #50

The Swedish Prosecutor has refused to conduct the necessary interview for over three years sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #169

Again, the Swedish system is not the US system. jeff47 Dec 2013 #171

Stop making stuff up please. The facts of this case are simple. Sweden files charges against sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #174

I'm not making stuff up. You are continuing to be wrong. jeff47 Dec 2013 #192

Yes, Swedish law requires an interview with the subject before filing charges. At last, some facts sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #213

So are you going to apologize? jeff47 Dec 2013 #285

So you haven't been reading the thread at all? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #301

Assange broke no laws in Sweden? Which is why Sweden filed a European Arrest Warrant? nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #314

Just post the charges filed in a Swedish Court claiming he broke any laws there, and we can sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #326

Your Anglo exceptionalism in judicial matters is intriguing. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #334

Post the charges filed against Assange in Sweden or anywhere else. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #337

And we're back to you insisting every justice system is the US justice system. jeff47 Dec 2013 #395

Stop with the nonsense, it's getting old. Sweden charges people with crimes every day, just like sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #397

I'm not the one posting nonsense. jeff47 Dec 2013 #406

Bullshit. He's hidden out in the Ecuadorian embassy BainsBane Dec 2013 #355

Where are the charges?? That is the ONLY relevant question. I have asked, over and over again sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #398

There is an arrest warrant BainsBane Dec 2013 #400

All irrelevant. I have read all of it and it all it says is that the Western Powers, the UK being sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #402

Not true BainsBane Dec 2013 #403

Where were the witnesses, the evidence? Right, there was none, because what you have linked to is sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #404

There was an arrest warrent for Bin Laden... PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #405

I did not say there was no arrest warrant for Bin Laden. Read my comment again. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #407

Assange's lawyers were free to argue this matter in the UK courts but decided not to do so struggle4progress Dec 2013 #118

The UK court has no jurisidiction in Sweden. That was an EXTRADTION HEARING. The UK CANNOT sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #399

There ARE no CHARGES. Might help if peope commenting on this story actually knew something sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #9

+ 1,000! KoKo Dec 2013 #15

There are charges. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #20

Wrong!! There have never been charges filed against Assange in Sweden or anywhere else. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #25

It is not a lie; your ignorance of Swedish law doesn't trump facts. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #29

Please list the charges and the court in which they were filed. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #33

Again: Sweden doesn't have the US legal system. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #35

This has been repeatedly explained to Sabrina, on many different threads. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #39

Just ist thre charges and the court in which they were filed. It's not that hard. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #72

You are being the distraction here. Agschmid Dec 2013 #129

Go ahead and explain the ''Swedish Legal System' to me or if you like sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #140

I linked in #184 \a very detailed discussion of Swedish criminal procedure. Why not read it? struggle4progress Dec 2013 #304

I am very familiar with Swedish law. The fact is that NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #309

Those actually interested in Swedish criminal procedure will, I think, read the links struggle4progress Dec 2013 #313

You're wasting your time there... SidDithers Dec 2013 #48

Assange had never been charged with any crimes. Please list the court and the charges filed sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #74

So you can't ist the charges, thank you. Assange has never been charged with a crime sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #70

Functional illiteracy is a terrible thing. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #105

Read the court documents yourself BainsBane Dec 2013 #114

I've read them all. Over and over. Now please either show the formal Charges you are claiming sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #141

How about looking at it like this? randome Dec 2013 #147

How about looking at the FACTS. There have been NO charges, Swedish Style which is what matters sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #156

"in accordance with SWEDISH LAW' " - so show us the actual Swedish law hack89 Dec 2013 #167

Swedish Charges, filed in a Swedish Court. Please provide evidence that this has ever happened. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #177

Show that it has to happen that way. You sound so sure of yourself hack89 Dec 2013 #179

Show that what has to happen, what way?? What are you asking for? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #182

You disagree with everyone here that Swedish legal procedures are different than the UK and USA hack89 Dec 2013 #183

Lol, you mean I have been given false information by a small crew of peope here who have no clue sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #217

Invincible ignorance is still ignorance hack89 Dec 2013 #228

Oh that's for sure. But still, no information from you as to the CHARGES filed against Assange by sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #230

What did the document say about how charges are waged in the Swedish justice system? BainsBane Dec 2013 #189

discussions with sabrina would be more interesting if sabrina posted links or read the links struggle4progress Dec 2013 #117

Just post the formal charges filed by the Swedish Prosecutor in a Swedish court and you won't sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #151

Overview of Swedish Criminal Procedure (January 2012) struggle4progress Dec 2013 #184

Swedish Prosecutor General confirms Julian Assange is “charged” struggle4progress Dec 2013 #185

... On numerous occasions we have heard Julian Assange say that he is not charged with any crime. struggle4progress Dec 2013 #186

Sabrina Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #43

Frequently does. Never seems to make even the slightest bit of difference though. Number23 Dec 2013 #89

Please post the charges you all are claiming were filed in the Swedish Court against Assange. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #161

There's an arrest warrant out in Sweden treestar Dec 2013 #194

What are the charges? Could you post the charges filed in Sweden so we know what this sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #221

I answered that in my post above. treestar Dec 2013 #236

Thank you for finally admitting the obvious. There are no charges against Assange. So what is the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #239

So the UK legal system can be forever ignored because you don't like the result of the Pinochet case treestar Dec 2013 #241

I think the frenzied breakdown on this thread is pretty amusing though. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #162

It's good, but I don't think much will ever top the "Homeland Security was cracking down on Occupy" Number23 Dec 2013 #193

!!!! zappaman Dec 2013 #310

+10000000...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #121

Please post the charges filed in a Swedish Court against Assange. I'm still waiting. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #153

LEAVE JULIAN AWONE!11!1! *sob* dionysus Dec 2013 #55

Maybe you can help. Post the filing of charges in the Swedish Court that a few misinformed people sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #159

The poor man has suffered so much injustice! treestar Dec 2013 #197

Answer what? He has not been charged with any crimes in Sweden. Why would someone go to 'answer' sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #218

I dunno, there is an extradition out, supposedly the courts in Britain would ignore it treestar Dec 2013 #235

Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2013 #46

Please post the charges filed in the Swedish Court. The US system has ZERO to do with Sweden sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #160

He'll never be charged because he'll never go set foot on their soil... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #37

Wrong, he doesn't have to set foot on that soil in order to be charged. He will never be charged sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #157

It's very odd that you of all people... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #164

Why? I don't think I've ever presented myself as someone who does not believe sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #170

The rape apologists are funny, no? Bush can't go to Malaysia. joshcryer Dec 2013 #385

I understand what you meant and agree. If he didn't do it, he shouldn't worry about answering okaawhatever Dec 2013 #11

Are you serious? Do you know ANYTHING about this farce?? Did you know that he stayed in Sweden sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #21

No, I'm familiar. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean i'm wrong. I also think he is/was okaawhatever Dec 2013 #23

Just list the charges and in which court they were filed. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #34

He isn't worried. He WAS interviewed by the Swedish Police, he offered to remain in Sweden to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #31

So you are accusing Sweden of some sort of corruption? treestar Dec 2013 #198

Post the charges filled in Sweden by the Sweden Prosecutors. That is the issue here that a few sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #206

No, the issue is that the British Courts consider extradition proper treestar Dec 2013 #238

The same 'British Court' that refused to grant the request for the extradition of Pinochet, a sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #243

What has that got to do with it? treestar Dec 2013 #270

In fact, sabrina's post is factually incorrect. The Pinochet case is actually quite confusing. Spain struggle4progress Dec 2013 #306

It was unique in international law, thus vastly different from treestar Dec 2013 #319

The decision not to extradite Pinochet from the UK to Spain was not a judicial decision: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #300

I don't waste time on people who are knee-jerk reacting to issues, I just use their comments to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #303

In that case, Chile itself objected to Spanish extradition request: Pinochet was returned to Chile struggle4progress Dec 2013 #305

Wouldn't that be splendid? treestar Dec 2013 #320

Welcome Back HangOnKids Dec 2013 #69

The perfect authoritarian message cprise Dec 2013 #212

Hilarious, isn't it? And no charges have ever been filed against him leading to the conclusion in sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #225

I guess it is authoritarian to go along with any legal system then treestar Dec 2013 #240

No I haven't said that cprise Dec 2013 #265

What a farce alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #7

Our Government Leaders want to STARVE HIM OUT! Like the GITMO Prisoners KoKo Dec 2013 #13

Apt comparison jsr Dec 2013 #135

He has all the food and visitors he wants hack89 Dec 2013 #136

Um...he's in sight of Marks & Spencer's. How could he possibly starve? nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #139

Sorry...Glitch posted this twice. KoKo Dec 2013 #14

Creating a website to leak classified docs doesn't give you carte blanche to go around raping people Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #42

Please post the case transcripts that prove the allegation you just made. Or even post any sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #207

LOL Sabrina Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #208

Thank you. I appreciate that! But you avoided answering any of my questions. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #209

Hugz to you Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #211

And yet he isn't... now is he! whistler162 Dec 2013 #44

Fuck 'em. Hope he rots in the Ecuadoran embassy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #47

you leave the sweet bebe jesus alone Sid! dionysus Dec 2013 #57

St. Julian, patron saint of fugitives and bail jumpers...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #58

Are you talkin' about the guy who Cha Dec 2013 #84

you better leave that little hero in swaddling clothes alone buster, or you're gonna get it! dionysus Dec 2013 #108

Yeah, I Cha Dec 2013 #111

Gee he might miss your posts Sid HangOnKids Dec 2013 #71

Assange can end his detention whenever he wants. tammywammy Dec 2013 #51

Assange is not in detention. He sought and was granted political asylum due to the threat to his sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #163

Diplomatic not political asylum. There is a huge difference hack89 Dec 2013 #168

Wrong, Julian Assange sought and was granted Political Asylum. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #342

Sabrina - thank you so much for your posts Matariki Dec 2013 #336

Thank you. It's not hard really, the same false statements are made every time this issue arises. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #338

He ought to go get it over with. I don't think the US is going to grab him. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #54

Chelsea Manning assured his freedom. joshcryer Dec 2013 #101

Can't he leave the embassy any time he wants? Renew Deal Dec 2013 #73

Yes. n/t tammywammy Dec 2013 #79

But then the UK will probably file charges for jumping bail! And when he's extradited to Sweden struggle4progress Dec 2013 #97

Yes, if he wants to place himself in danger of being grabbed by the Swedish Karl Rove puppets sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #166

I believe he will spend years there, JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #76

It's very surreal, the embassy sounds tiny... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #80

Things went bad for Assange ... JEFF9K Dec 2013 #81

it really does not matter how he defines it. he needs to go back to his day in court. rapists seabeyond Dec 2013 #82

'His day in court'. Where are the Charges in Sweden? To have a 'day in court' there has to be sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #219

omg, sabrina, really? lol. it has clearly been explained as you ignored. run... rapist run. seabeyond Dec 2013 #224

Omg, Seabeyond!! He is not in detention, has been granted ASYLUM, a very different matter and sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #226

no shit he is not in detention, hence "detention". and ya, a criminal has to hide from the law. seabeyond Dec 2013 #227

Are you claiming that he has been charged and convicted of a crime? Please inform the rest of the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #229

Yeah .......... don't hold your breath for that. nt polly7 Dec 2013 #244

Lol, I know, I am not holding my breath. But the absolute certainty of the 'charges' without a sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #247

It's not fascinating to me any more .... it's lazy and simplistic and stupid. polly7 Dec 2013 #249

I actually agree with you and the ONLY reason I even bother with them when most people sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #251

Good questions! polly7 Dec 2013 #246

Especially since a few months prior to the allegations Wikileaks obtained a CIA document sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #250

Thanks for all of this Sabrina. polly7 Dec 2013 #254

She's gotten answers..she just refuses to believe them. I am assuming you read the EAW.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #269

Just list the charges filed against Assange in the Swedish Court as claimed here in this thread. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #282

Sabrina, I no longer answer you questions because of the behavior exhibited msanthrope Dec 2013 #283

Does Sweden have a "statute of limitations" he's trying to wait out?? Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #83

That's a good question treestar Dec 2013 #199

He's never been charged with anything in Sweden so there's nothing to 'wait out'. Why have they sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #220

could it be you've willfully ignored repeated attempts to explain that the Swedish judicial system dionysus Dec 2013 #231

Could it be that you are ignoring the FACT that the Swedish Prosecutor has REFUSED to take sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #234

I wonder if the embassy staff throws him a party on these anniversaries? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #86

Interesting question, is Assange a good houseguest? Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #87

Someone's leaving Ecuador's embassy... but it's not Julian Assange (Independent | 9 Jun 13) struggle4progress Dec 2013 #120

I suspect when he leaves the embassy he'll be awarded a year free in Her Majesty's Bed and Breakfast struggle4progress Dec 2013 #88

Here is a court document that summarizes the case BainsBane Dec 2013 #98

I wonder how long this will go for. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #102

Assange is not in detention in the UK. He is voluntarily living in an embassy. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #104

If he steps outside is he free to go or will he be detained?..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #110

Most people will not regard a person, who is in hiding after jumping bail, as being in detention struggle4progress Dec 2013 #119

I think the difference is that Einhorn was free to travel in Europe. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #142

The Unicorn was not free to travel in Europe under his own name. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #201

Now you're getting desperate. Assange has been granted asylum. And who did Assange murder sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #280

I expect almost no one thinks time spent as a fugitive, evading the law, counts as time in detention struggle4progress Dec 2013 #295

So you're not familiar with the history of Asylum seekers? You really think a murderer = political sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #299

I don't regard time spent as a fugitive, evading the lawful judgment of courts, as time in detention struggle4progress Dec 2013 #302

Self-detention? moondust Dec 2013 #107

As odd as it is I think "exile" or "Asylum" is the correct term. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #109

A completely misleading headline, courtesy of Putin's Russia Today. MADem Dec 2013 #112

It 'sounds' better though, and makes him seem more the 'victim' which is why they use that word n/t Bodhi BloodWave Dec 2013 #115

Actually I looked for an alternate source mentioning the milestone and couldn't find one. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #176

The fact that you didn't find one is telling. MADem Dec 2013 #200

That should tell you something... (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #391

This can't be good for image of freedom fighters? SpcMnky Dec 2013 #130

LOL nt. dionysus Dec 2013 #232

you do know that Assange has a talk show on Russian tv TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #138

Wow this thread is working my ignore list bobduca Dec 2013 #216

Yep. I have no one on ignore so I'm asking those who apparently are on most people's ignore lists sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #222

There are no charges against Assange yet many here already say he's guilty. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #252

No. We are saying that he is a fugitive desperately trying to escape arrest hack89 Dec 2013 #273

Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #284

Are you denying he is desperately trying to avoid arrest? nt hack89 Dec 2013 #287

Swedish law is not the same as US law. jeff47 Dec 2013 #286

I would just like to say for the record, snot Dec 2013 #256

Oh, wow... SidDithers Dec 2013 #277

Why Sweden? jeff47 Dec 2013 #289

I don't know who to believe in this case... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #261

Well, it gets a lot easier when you look at what surrounds someone's position. jeff47 Dec 2013 #288

Also, don't forget the enormous scope of the conspiracy. randome Dec 2013 #290

American citizen doesn't matter jeff47 Dec 2013 #291

It's crystal clear treestar Dec 2013 #292

The worst thing that could happen to Assange is he goes to Sweden and the charges are dropped. randome Dec 2013 #296

He'll be seeing American spies under every rock treestar Dec 2013 #318

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers Dec 2013 #276

It really is. zappaman Dec 2013 #311

Seldom have I seen such a wreck. And the fact that most of it was done by a single poster Number23 Dec 2013 #321

Yeah, Assange threads are always entertaining trainwrecks. cemaphonic Dec 2013 #344

It is legend treestar Dec 2013 #382

Wow Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #394

The only reason no charges have been pressed is because he is avoiding the country gollygee Dec 2013 #279

Sweden is a country where, at US request, an innocent man was snot Dec 2013 #340

It's obvious gollygee Dec 2013 #386

Assange is wanted for questioning. snot Dec 2013 #401

He could also be acquitted only to be extradited to the US to share a cell with Manning Major Nikon Dec 2013 #341

If Sweden did question then charge him there... joshcryer Dec 2013 #357

What exactly does Sweden have to lose? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #363

Once he's charged Ecuador can demand jurisdiction. joshcryer Dec 2013 #366

Sweden refused to question Assange remotely even before he went to the embassy Major Nikon Dec 2013 #368

It was absolutely an uncommon procedure. joshcryer Dec 2013 #369

No country has to "agree" to any such status Major Nikon Dec 2013 #371

The UK doesn't have to accept accredition. joshcryer Dec 2013 #372

It's not up to the UK to accept or deny Major Nikon Dec 2013 #373

Yes it is, read this pro-Assange blog: joshcryer Dec 2013 #374

Article 9 Major Nikon Dec 2013 #376

Article 81 says they must be Ecuadorian by birth. joshcryer Dec 2013 #377

I saw that on another web site Major Nikon Dec 2013 #378

No. It would be unprecedented. joshcryer Dec 2013 #380

Plus Julian should not get to dictate terms that way treestar Dec 2013 #383

Naturally. joshcryer Dec 2013 #384

No charges, eh? Why doesn't he waltz out of there? joshcryer Dec 2013 #356

Don't try bringing logic into this. :) Nine Dec 2013 #361

It's very simple: our Alpha-Centarian overlords have taking a special liking to Ecuador and struggle4progress Dec 2013 #365

Heh, thanks, that clears it up. joshcryer Dec 2013 #367

Ha. Well said. Recursion Dec 2013 #393

Here's what I don't understand. What do you think is the significance of the lack of charges? Nine Dec 2013 #370

They live in fantasy land where warrants without charges = innocence. joshcryer Dec 2013 #375

Because Karl Rove! Pinochet!!...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #387

^^^ This. Nine has asked the be-all end-all question here. Recursion Dec 2013 #392