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54. The issue is that many people end up on death row WHO DID NOT commit the murder. How can....

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Mon Mar 12, 2012, 01:15 PM

Mar 2012

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why i can't oppose the death penalty in all cases [View all] arely staircase Mar 2012 OP

Revenge. flvegan Mar 2012 #1

premature death is certainly punishment arely staircase Mar 2012 #4

No it isn't. It's a release from punishment. flvegan Mar 2012 #11

counting down the moments your certain and imminent death is not punishment? arely staircase Mar 2012 #18

Not as much flvegan Mar 2012 #32

so then you oppose executing this person(s)( because it is not punishment enough? arely staircase Mar 2012 #34

Wow. Correct me if I'm wrong . . . RZM Mar 2012 #78

Then allow me to correct you. flvegan Mar 2012 #94

The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 and wounded 25. Would you have advocated the death penalty for cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #2

i don't advocate the death penalty for the va tech shooter because arely staircase Mar 2012 #6

So YOU get to choose the level of moral reprehensibility? Atman Mar 2012 #46

no, i just think executing someone who has been dead for almost 5 years is a waste of time. arely staircase Mar 2012 #51

LYAO all you want...you know that's not what I posted. Atman Mar 2012 #63

it is precisely what you posted and i am still laughing nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #65

"Would you have..." is NOT the same as "Do you...", is it? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #88

i have addressed all this in another sub-thread. nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #91

I've always been against the DP but when it comes to kids, I'm changing my opinion. polly7 Mar 2012 #3

The DP is not a deterrant and is unevenly applied. EFerrari Mar 2012 #5

you are right on both points arely staircase Mar 2012 #9

I understand. EFerrari Mar 2012 #12

Would you pull that trigger? Would you release that trap door? Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #16

i wouldn't even be willing to personally arrest a mass muderer. nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #24

So you believe in killing people but only if you have to hire killers to kill them. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #35

nor am i willing to personally arrest, arraign, hold them for trial or try them arely staircase Mar 2012 #39

Gotta say. I can, with good concience, hire someone to pick up my garbage... not so much with Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #41

You can't? Well, I can. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #7

No matter how you cut it, giving the state... TreasonousBastard Mar 2012 #8

what do you recomend for the slaughter and burning of children? arely staircase Mar 2012 #13

I should point out that Todd Willingham was convicted of burning children Kennah Mar 2012 #20

without a single eyewitness, or confession. quite unlike the case at hand. arely staircase Mar 2012 #26

Not unlike Scott Peterson Kennah Mar 2012 #30

again, i disagree with none of that arely staircase Mar 2012 #33

I do get the emotions involved when children are slaughtered ... Kennah Mar 2012 #38

i would insist that reason, logic and facts be applied in this case arely staircase Mar 2012 #40

Why wouldn't you be willing to assume that they had a "screw loose"... Atman Mar 2012 #79

like i said in the other subthread, the brain injury changes things arely staircase Mar 2012 #92

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my, what a rich and wonderful vocabulary you have developed. nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #96

I'll try not to make this sound like a copout, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2012 #22

i am a big believer in rehabilitation and reform of individuals arely staircase Mar 2012 #28

Life in prison. Obviously. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #25

The problem is that the culprit isn't always that obvious starroute Mar 2012 #10

no, it would have to be heinous and there be no doubt as to the killer's identity arely staircase Mar 2012 #15

But don't you see, just because YOU think it's heinous... Atman Mar 2012 #47

so i can't think it is heinous? do you actually believe i am proposing a arely staircase Mar 2012 #56

Wow. You've deteriorated a lot since your opening salvo. Atman Mar 2012 #64

your concern is noted; it means a lot, really. nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #66

As if I give a shit. Atman Mar 2012 #73

Then you're left with so few cases it becomes a "cruel and unusual punishment" starroute Mar 2012 #52

i think you are making a circular argument - not trying to be rude - but i think you are arely staircase Mar 2012 #53

I think the different between our positions is that you think of it as "punishment" starroute Mar 2012 #68

your three reasons for punishment arely staircase Mar 2012 #93

Here I think we agree starroute Mar 2012 #98

And one more point occurs to me starroute Mar 2012 #103

i'm going to respond to this and (maybe) couple of other arely staircase Mar 2012 #104

LOL.... Logical Mar 2012 #55

no i don't understand it, because it isn't true arely staircase Mar 2012 #57

So your plan involves changing the whole criminal justice system? And change 'reasonable doubt'.... Logical Mar 2012 #60

then you don't know how it works arely staircase Mar 2012 #61

Most jurys have the chance to pick life in prison. I assume when they choose death they are sure.... Logical Mar 2012 #67

I do understand what you are saying, even I remain opposed in all cases Kennah Mar 2012 #14

except for the "in all cases" part we do not disagree on anything you wrote arely staircase Mar 2012 #31

"I only support the death penalty when I'm really, really upset,... Atman Mar 2012 #74

Prison and the death penalty airplaneman Mar 2012 #17

DP supporters will say Todd Willingham and Troy Davis got Due Process Kennah Mar 2012 #19

It's not about any one case though. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2012 #21

You're right limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #23

I can. It's an antiquated, barbaric practice that brings us down as a civilized society. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #27

Isn't the soldier likely to be mentally ill? TomClash Mar 2012 #29

Depending on the severity of the crime... davidthegnome Mar 2012 #36

what's wrong with just saying no? iverglas Mar 2012 #37

Some of it is practicality, some of it is common sense - to me davidthegnome Mar 2012 #72

well, I'm glad I don't live where you live iverglas Mar 2012 #87

Anti-human rights, is it? Sorry, but davidthegnome Mar 2012 #99

"no longer entitled to the same rights" - sorry, but iverglas Mar 2012 #107

our military has murdered a lot of women and Poor Children in the past 10 years, what about those? n msongs Mar 2012 #42

As a nurse in a jail I can tell you Lunabelle Mar 2012 #43

It is a good thing unionworks Mar 2012 #48

Hmm davidthegnome Mar 2012 #82

the thing missing unionworks Mar 2012 #86

How can you see humanity in such people? davidthegnome Mar 2012 #100

Who was unionworks Mar 2012 #106

No one brought up Jesus Lunabelle Mar 2012 #108

I did unionworks Mar 2012 #109

I love this story unionworks Mar 2012 #110

Wow, you scare me! Lynch mob mentality! Logical Mar 2012 #101

You know, I defended your position yesterday even though I didn't agree with it DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #111

There is no moral and ethical case for killing someone Major Nikon Mar 2012 #44

If someone is attempting to kill a member of my family, I have a moral and ethical case ... 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #70

The subject seems to be the death penalty Major Nikon Mar 2012 #71

Mea culpa. I took your post literally and not in the context of this thread. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #77

For me, the problem isn't the concept but the execution (pardon the pun) saras Mar 2012 #45

I fully oppose it. Confinement is a far worse punishment than death. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #49

I'm normally against the death penalty, but I make an exception only for the following meow2u3 Mar 2012 #50

The issue is that many people end up on death row WHO DID NOT commit the murder. How can.... Logical Mar 2012 #54

No, no, you don't understand... Atman Mar 2012 #75

LOL! +1 Logical Mar 2012 #84

Understood. Taverner Mar 2012 #58

Don't like... pipi_k Mar 2012 #59

I oppose it but there are some I don't cry for DevonRex Mar 2012 #62

Your opinion doesn't piss me off and I actually feel sorry for you NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #69

I have less sympathy for those who kill while sane and sober..like the drone operators. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #76

Technically speaking, no one deserves anything. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #80

For the most heinous crimes were agency is certain, I agree. aikoaiko Mar 2012 #81

I'm for the DP under a few conditions backwoodsbob Mar 2012 #83

What if they are mentally ill? immoderate Mar 2012 #85

Will you take it off the table now that you know he had a traumatic brain injury in 2010? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #89

yes it probably would arely staircase Mar 2012 #90

You don't know when to capitalize. Atman Mar 2012 #97

You're such a hardass... I bet seats and chairs hurt when you're done with them. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #102

espero que te repongas pronto arely staircase Mar 2012 #105