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In reply to the discussion: Kaptur Defeats Kucinich 94% to 4% on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote Systems in Toledo, OH? [View all]Nikia
(11,411 posts)111. Part of the problem with this redistricting
Aside from the fact that one incumbent Democrat would lose is that the geography of the district did not make sense at all. Toledo and Cleveland are two entirely different cities. People from those cities consider themselves to be from entirely different parts of Ohio. They almost might as well be in different states. It makes sense that this polarization would occurr.
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Kaptur Defeats Kucinich 94% to 4% on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote Systems in Toledo, OH? [View all]
BradBlog
Mar 2012
OP
No. Tell me: did you think it was "fishy" when Obama won 92% of the DC vote in 2008,
NYC Liberal
Mar 2012
#12
I asked you this question below but you might have missed it. Were they running against other
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#17
Well, that's very different. These were two Democrats and I know for me, eg, it was a difficult
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#22
Well his district obviously disagrees with you. He has been reelected repeatedly as she has
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#29
Those numbers were vs Republicans. Which would seemingly make such a margin
NYC Liberal
Mar 2012
#20
Thanks, actually I think that it is more strange in a district that is so Democratic to have numbers
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#25
I agree and I am sure even if there were errors it would not change the results.
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#31
In the 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary DK only got 2.7 percent of Lucas County
onenote
Mar 2012
#113
That's exactly my point: Obama, Kerry, and Gore all won over 90% with no "fixing" of the vote.
NYC Liberal
Mar 2012
#53
But has she ever, or has anyone ever other than Saddam Hussein, won by this kind of margin before?
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#13
Ya know, Brad, early on in the e-voting debate, I told everyone that, sooner or later, results...
Junkdrawer
Mar 2012
#11
The insiders who worked the issue hard got disabused of the Dem vs Rep nature of the problem....
Junkdrawer
Mar 2012
#38
Democratic candidates have consistently won 85-90% of the vote in DC in presidential elections.
NYC Liberal
Mar 2012
#14
I would wonder if those numbers were tallied via an unverifiable e-vote machine...
LanternWaste
Mar 2012
#118
BULLFUCKING SHIT, if you read the link it's the machines have a voter-verified paper audit trail.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#34
Yes, that has happened and has been done before. Ask for a public records request.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#40
3506.18 Electronic voting machine - verified paper audit trail as official ballot in recount.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#63
Voter verified paper audit trails shall be preserved in the same manner and for the same time period
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#67
You can request an audit. Please do. But then you wouldn't get hits on your site...
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#39
What the hell is wrong with you, dude? And why are YOU posting false information??
BradBlog
Mar 2012
#57
I have already established that you are posting misinformation. Call me a liar all you want.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#73
You're the one contending that something fishy is going on, yet all your evidence is...
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#76
"question about the seemingly implausible and certainly unverifiable results"
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#78
Actually Brad has responded to almost all of joshcryer's posts most of which
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#127
Yes you did. "make sure to be clear that it is YOU who does not understand what he posted"
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#83
It is only YOUR opinion that the 'OP is not giving correct information' and it is my
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#88
I have established that the information is wrong. It is not 100% unverifiable.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#89
You have "established" nothing of the kind. But you HAVE defamed me with your misinformation.
BradBlog
Mar 2012
#98
I've yet to be convinced. See, the poll workers, in the end, are the weakest link.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#81
I like Kucinich as much as the next guy but I'm sick of all this conspiracy shit....
FLAprogressive
Mar 2012
#54
I wonder how many here that are making uninformed comments have actually been to Toledo.
SmellyFeet
Mar 2012
#91
Well duh! We've all been here long enough to know that if my preferred candidate loses,
tritsofme
Mar 2012
#95
It may be verifiable, but is is never verified unless you actually do an audit
eridani
Mar 2012
#106
Utter nonsense. Lucas County has touchscreen DREs, which can never be verified.
eridani
Mar 2012
#132
You still haven't explained why we should trust the output of any proprietary software
eridani
Mar 2012
#137
Not at all. Unless you are suggesting that forensic analysis of programs is routine
eridani
Mar 2012
#145
You're entitled to your opinion, but it wasn't peer pressure - it was a careful review of the thread
HopeHoops
Mar 2012
#108
Issues be damned, name recognition ALONE should have been, what, 5% to 15%....
Junkdrawer
Mar 2012
#107
I'm told there are some people out there who actually don't follow issues....
Junkdrawer
Mar 2012
#117
Even if they didn't follow issues, anyone showing up to vote in a Democratic primary in Lucas County
onenote
Mar 2012
#119
Let's say 10% of primary voters voted purely on name recognition and not issues...
Junkdrawer
Mar 2012
#120
It is sad that people just refuse to realize that outside of his district in Ohio,
Ikonoklast
Mar 2012
#104
What do you want? A perfect recording of actual votes? Now that's plain silly!
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#124
Would we be having this debate if the vote in Lucas County was 75/25 for Kaptur?
onenote
Mar 2012
#129
If you knew anything about Ohio politics you would know that DK is NOT beloved in any
WCGreen
Mar 2012
#139