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Spider Jerusalem

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45. I've heard it all before.

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:38 PM

Nov 2013

I used to believe some of it. Then I found out that the facts and actual evidence don't square with the fantasy stories.

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Yep... They Killed Him... [View all] WillyT Nov 2013 OP

And Yeah... It Does Matter... 50 Years Later... WillyT Nov 2013 #1

Mary Pinchot Meyer billhicks76 Nov 2013 #67

No, they didn't Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #2

Says You... WillyT Nov 2013 #3

Says all the evidence. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #5

Gulf of Tonkin. Iraq's WMD's. NSA. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #22

You mean those are the things that killed JFK? stopbush Nov 2013 #26

No. I mean those are only SOME lies only fools would claim our govt would never tell. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #29

So, you're a closed-minded CT denier. stopbush Nov 2013 #41

So you're a Denier who refuses to look at the evidence that is continuing to emerge with each sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #80

Would that include the evidence that JFK was shot by his limo driver? stopbush Nov 2013 #121

...or the Secret Service guy with the AR-15? lastlib Dec 2013 #152

Yep. IOKALAIABOTBWASJFK. stopbush Dec 2013 #154

And every fucking one of those lies has been exposed. But one of the single most cataclysmic ... 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #118

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Kennedy's assassination. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #28

See above comment. Gullibility isn't only for those on one side. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #30

It does. It part of the pattern and practice of the wacko right. grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #85

You might listen to Guns and Butter on KPFA. It played today and will be available for 2 weeks AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #32

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #36

You haven't had time to listen to an hour show. You don't care to hear what may change your mind. AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #43

I've heard it all before. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #45

The "Fantasy Story" is that Oswald did it..... AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #49

Where's the evidence? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #51

Listen to the Guns and Butter show and hear it all yourself, I'm done responding to you. AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #54

True... KansDem Nov 2013 #130

Thanks for that... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #136

noone saw him in the window either alato Nov 2013 #93

Witness saw a man with a rifle and gave a description that fit Oswald. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #99

The easy answer is "the CIA manipulated the evidence". Thats all anyone who disagrees will say. 7962 Nov 2013 #38

Let's assume that Oswald killed Kennedy. It's been 50 years, and they have established JDPriestly Nov 2013 #114

The original story Ive heard was that the family didnt want it released for 75 yrs i think 7962 Nov 2013 #117

All of the documents should be available. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #122

your evidence sucks heaven05 Nov 2013 #46

It's all been repeatedly confirmed by several investigations. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #48

I don't care if there were 100 investigations!!!! heaven05 Nov 2013 #55

So what you are saying ballabosh Nov 2013 #100

Well to still be seeking truth heaven05 Nov 2013 #120

So your mind is closed ballabosh Nov 2013 #124

My mind is made up. heaven05 Nov 2013 #126

Does that include the HSCA investigation? KansDem Nov 2013 #128

Yep Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #140

thank you for a reflection of how you deal with a different opinion heaven05 Nov 2013 #135

Except this isn't a matter of "opinion". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #143

you still haven't answered kansasdem heaven05 Nov 2013 #138

"those more powerful than the POTUS. Guess what? They're still here running things." Thirties Child Nov 2013 #131

Why did Oswald do it? What was his motive? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #78

Irrelevant. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #86

Yes, he's dead. Another amazing coincidence, and no he can't tell us. Maybe that's why he's dead. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #88

Why did Oswald deny that he killed the president? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #77

Most murder suspects deny they did it. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #82

And what was Ruby's reason to kill him? KansDem Nov 2013 #129

Yeah, "they" did. Archae Nov 2013 #4

You Got A Problem With THIS ??? - Let It ALL Come Out... What's The Worry ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #7

well his nephew is no authority on anything, you know, not like that stellar human Arlen Specter Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #11

He's not, actually, an authority on anything. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #12

Damn... I Am So Sorry... It Must Be Tough.. When Families Don't Communicate... WillyT Nov 2013 #14

well yes he is wrong about that. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #15

Wrong about A, therefore wrong about B. AlbertCat Nov 2013 #31

And neither are you heaven05 Nov 2013 #56

Oh, sorry, you're right. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #57

You don't know anything heaven05 Nov 2013 #61

Again...where's the evidence? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #68

oh boy!!! heaven05 Nov 2013 #70

Oh, that's right, the awesomely powerful CIA kept it covered up. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #74

Scientific evidence ballabosh Nov 2013 #103

???? heaven05 Nov 2013 #119

Present it ballabosh Nov 2013 #123

the counter evidence to the one shooter scenario heaven05 Nov 2013 #125

Arlen Specter isn't the person who came up with the single bullet theory. stopbush Nov 2013 #33

Are you equating venomous lies about Jews ("Protocols of Zion") with the facts of Communist WinkyDink Nov 2013 #25

And Kennedy's dad was a Nazi sympathizer too! So that ties it all up nicely doesnt it? 7962 Nov 2013 #50

You bastards! ;-) longship Nov 2013 #6

Sorry... Not Too Clever...Or Funny... WillyT Nov 2013 #8

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too. longship Nov 2013 #9

WillyT, you ever get the impression whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #13

Yup, We're all part of the conspiracy too! FSogol Nov 2013 #16

Not part of any particular conspiracy whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #19

a Pavlovian response to anything that challenges the status quo. AlbertCat Nov 2013 #37

Exactly right. zeemike Nov 2013 #44

You need to keep up. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #110

You are wrong heaven05 Nov 2013 #52

Oh Yeah... A Looooooong Time Ago... WillyT Nov 2013 #18

I Wouldn't Say That Out Loud On An Internet Message Board... But Yeah... WillyT Nov 2013 #59

yes alato Nov 2013 #96

I agree, not as funny as your OP. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #64

Great articles, thanks – K&R'd. snot Nov 2013 #10

Who the hell is They? MicaelS Nov 2013 #17

Start with the "What". You get that right, and the "they" becomes a lot more clear. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #127

The super secret cabal that no one whistler162 Nov 2013 #146

They sure did... SidDithers Nov 2013 #20

Well Damn Man... WillyT Nov 2013 #27

Actually, according to my count of the CT theories, everybody in the world wanted JFK dead. stopbush Nov 2013 #35

Even my mom Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #39

yeah but you can't count heaven05 Nov 2013 #58

And many in the South wanted him dead. zeemike Nov 2013 #53

This is true! I was there, lived in the South and know that juajen Nov 2013 #90

Add Fred Koch's John Birch Society to your list... ReRe Nov 2013 #66

Could you be a little more specific? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #21

in the linked articles "they" is the CIA/mafia coalition that was going to kill Castro -- KurtNYC Nov 2013 #148

Yeah, yeah, happy Thanksgiving to you, too! randome Nov 2013 #23

Yawn.... stopbush Nov 2013 #24

I Hope You're Gonna Be Ok... WillyT Nov 2013 #34

Or not. moondust Nov 2013 #40

K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #42

Yes they did! All three of them! Ian_rd Nov 2013 #47

You win the thread! And the Internets! GoneOffShore Nov 2013 #60

Hahaha Ian_rd Nov 2013 #116

It was HE who killed THEM. Period. duffyduff Nov 2013 #62

Saw and heard him individually and with panel at Duquesne University conference... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #71

LOL, you are almost a parody of the CTs t this point. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #63

Care To Widen Your Interpretation ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #75

You have to remember heaven05 Nov 2013 #65

As a 'critical thinker,' maybe you can help me understand... JazzQuipster Nov 2013 #81

Vaguely accurate almost. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #69

CIA's Operation Northwoods is a extremely important part of the story: blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #72

K&R, WillyT MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #73

Yep… WHO Killed Him? JazzQuipster Nov 2013 #76

Because they KNOW it was CIA/KGB/CCCP/Cuba/FBI/LBJ/Allen Dulles/Castro/Secret Service/Mafia/Big Foot longship Nov 2013 #84

And Who Would Be Better Equipped To Hide It, Than The MIC... Bigfoot ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #91

I was on the fence and almost convinced that LHO acted alone without any help Jetboy Nov 2013 #79

How exactly do the protestations of anyone in 2013 Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #95

The evidence alone put me on the fence. The bullying tone taken by those who insist there was no Jetboy Nov 2013 #101

If you don't see bullying tones and ridicule from both sides of this issue Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #104

I have seen bullying on both sides but the vast majority is from the Jetboy Nov 2013 #108

But it's the quality of the conspiracy theorists' bullying and slander that you should note. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #111

You are incorrect. Look again at who that poster was responding to- Jetboy Nov 2013 #112

I see I'm dealing with a biased judge when speaking to you. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #115

funny the things you .... wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #134

Military Industrial Complex Octafish Nov 2013 #137

Thank you Octafish. Google had a lot of info on microphones and other MIC acronyms but not Military Jetboy Nov 2013 #139

Thanks for the links, WillyT ReRe Nov 2013 #83

In reading the second link: We still have those old Cold War idiots. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #87

They aren't idiots. There is a whole lot of profit in the perma-war machine BlueStreak Nov 2013 #89

Damn right they did ailsagirl Nov 2013 #92

Nope. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #94

Kicking. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #97

Thanks... Appreciate It !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #98

When did GD become Creative Speculation? sagat Nov 2013 #102

Hey Newbie... Glad You're Here.. Read The Damned Articles.. WillyT Nov 2013 #106

Who? LBJ? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #105

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #107

"After I come back from Texas, that's going to change." Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #109

Is this the same they Riftaxe Nov 2013 #113

One of their names to remember: BUSH. Octafish Nov 2013 #132

I suppose it would be too much to ask Riftaxe Nov 2013 #141

FBI work for you? Octafish Nov 2013 #147

Worked for the WC Riftaxe Dec 2013 #150

I didn't think it would. Octafish Dec 2013 #153

I wonder which side is really the "conspiracy theorist"?? kentuck Nov 2013 #133

It's not "closed-minded". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #144

Why would anyone believe what Philip Shenon writes? deminks Nov 2013 #142

Probably the same ones that killed Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley! whistler162 Nov 2013 #145

agreed. no way a lone gunman did that. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #149

KNR leveymg Dec 2013 #151