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In reply to the discussion: Why the arguments of Obama's defenders leave many cold. [View all]Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)348. Finding actual texts of proposed/passed legislation is very easy.
Library of Congress is the best place to go:
www.loc.gov
Also, the Congressional Record not only has the bill text, any amendments, and vote tallies, it is known to record actual floor speeches.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/
Very easy to search for key words, or if you know the bill numbers themselves, just plug them in the search engine on the site.
I think DU desperately needs this in the Research Forum.
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Right, I don't see why non supporters are still trying to convince us he's a terrible President
treestar
Dec 2011
#106
What is the country that most of the worlds emigres want to immigrate too? I'm totally unbiased, I
demosincebirth
Dec 2011
#308
I agree, President Obama inherited a lot of shit and sometimes I do not agree with some of his
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#323
This is a Democratic refuge, the Obama refuge I've been told is called the BOG,
Lionessa
Dec 2011
#56
Then it is permissable for non-supporters of the leader of the Democratic Party to call those
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#67
I never called a poster that criticised Mr. Obama 'morally bankrupt' and an 'addict'.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#204
exactly-- me too. I am not just disappointed with Obama, I am disgusted with him.
spooked911
Dec 2011
#361
I don't bookmark such trash, it is commonly done, most here have seen it & I was generally referring
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#307
You were referring to *me* directly. You cannot back it up, so you deflect.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#313
Republican Senators Push False Argument That Payroll Tax Cut Will Undermine Social Security
shellgame26
Dec 2011
#269
Replacing Social Security taxes with general fund revenues is what I personally object to.
JDPriestly
Dec 2011
#284
Not true. Democratic seniors groups are highly critical of the payroll tax cut
jtown1123
Feb 2012
#386
and here's what I don't understand about the unreasonable persons: They think that if they
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#216
Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. You understand what many of us need to be doing.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#232
He's not moving backwards. He's working within the constraints of a Congress that we gave him in
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#354
You're right. I was highly upset that he butted in the Blanche Lincoln race, so I agree with you
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#380
It was Bill Clinton that slammed liberals and unions for challenging Blanche Lincoln in a primary.
AtomicKitten
Feb 2012
#400
no if voters are moving away from Obama then he should realize he needs to win them back b4 they
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#289
Yes, push him towards the action we want. But bitching on an online forum does NOT constitute
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#351
I really wish we extended Making Work Pay instead. Much better stimulus. n/t
jtown1123
Feb 2012
#391
You know your list of things is something that takes time...if you look at what it would take...
Evasporque
Feb 2012
#399
I saw a post hidden earlier today because a poster was called immature or something
Kahuna
Dec 2011
#255
Why can't we give valid complaints about Obama without being slammed or dismissed? And why....
Logical
Dec 2011
#113
Yes. Jpgray thinks we are morally bankrupt and contemptible. Thanks SO MUCH jpgray!
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#16
This thread is allowed to remain open. If I had started a thread like this questioning the moral
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#22
I've left DU and came back. I leave for a period, then come back. Were it not for BOG, I may think
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#224
it's not as if one couldn't be devised. A little policy discussion and then the hook
bigtree
Dec 2011
#30
I'm sorry but inane threads scolding people are allowed to stand here too. This is a reasoned
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#39
Fuck that shit. Calling Democrats morally contemptible and bankrupt is over the line.
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#40
you are totally mistaken about the "all or nothing" nature of being an Obabma supporter
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#59
I see poster after poster here assuming JP, I and others are not "supporters" because they believe
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#240
That is simply false, the OP speaks of 'defenders' not supporters and yet you rewrite and then
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#102
And again, the Moderators haven't done anything about this. Had I started an OP calling Obama
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#233
& calling Dems Republicans or Republican-enablers is fine with you/or supporters in general
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#291
no, it's a message from an Obama supporter abut how this 100% perfect rah rah rah stuff is
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#61
I know that some people right in this thread believe ANY criticism is out of line, and that somehow
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#241
my case on this thread is against the broad brush attacks against Obama supporters
bigtree
Dec 2011
#215
It has happened twice in the last several days when I have alerted threads like this, only to learn
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#212
I don't agree with most of what ProSense says, but namecalling is inappropriate.
AllyCat
Dec 2011
#122
I think it's a very clear and accurate analogy. Do you care to explain exactly why you disagree
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#13
okay, more name calling. You have confused "having issues" with being a "purist", LOL.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#32
the denial part is when you refuse to acknowledge issuses, and just label the person a "purist",
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#43
the OP cites examples of a phenomenon here, and says SUPPORTof the Pres is GOOD, you ignore this
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#57
I'm expecting people to address the issues raised in the OP. instead of cherry picking a word
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#70
Yes, they would have ended if Obama had done nothing, BUT the unemployment benefits extention
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#257
If Obama had the kind of Democrats that LBJ had, along with the supermajority that he did,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2011
#221
Tell it, Sabrina. Why aren't Obama supporters happy? They've got their president!
tblue
Dec 2011
#208
how many names did they call voting Dems? "professional Left, Retarded Left, Left Fringe"...add any
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#299
See, this comment is part of the problem. What you are saying is that politicians
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#222
easy enough to provide links then, so I & others can bookmark it, it can also be printed & put in
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#303
Did you see any coverage of Obama's speech at Osawatomie, Kansas the other day?
emulatorloo
Dec 2011
#292
Fireside chats worked back then because the majority of people ONLY HAD A RADIO.
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#260
in the DEPRESSION? no, radio worked because it was new & not yet controlled by monied interests
StarsInHerHair
Dec 2011
#305
Do you think that the folks that aren't watching his Weekly Address videos now
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#309
Most things we consider lost are simply things we do not value enough to look for.
LanternWaste
Dec 2011
#364
As I noted upthread, that's all well and good but it is in NO WAY comparable to the magnitude of
Ron Green
Dec 2011
#365
And the cheer leaders are usually "Obama is Perfect" types and not reality based. No difference.
Logical
Dec 2011
#42
you are taking the "purist" approach and ignoring 2/3 of the OPs content. Calm down.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#45
I will NOT fucking calm down after having been called morally contemptible and bankrupt & an addict
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#47
"however minor... is seized upon as a perfectly sane excuse to entirely abandon" rational discussion
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#73
"Obama's defenders are unassailable as regards what should be done in the next election."
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#36
Yes! "we have a responsibility to steer our party in the direction of morally supportable policy"
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#49
i think there's a consumerist mentality that accepts pols "off the rack" as if there's no democracy
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#273
This is the crudest, most hurtful, disgusting OP I've ever seen on DU re Obama supporters.
DevonRex
Dec 2011
#37
Yeah, have a valid discussion by labeling those on the other side 'morally bankrupt' and 'addicts'.
Ikonoklast
Dec 2011
#231
The president took office with a very weak Democratic majority in power. They didn't even impeach
Overseas
Dec 2011
#44
I'm sure if you (or anyone)had a rational response to the points made in the OP, it would have been
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#86
Yeah, the old "I'm sorry you were offended" bit that seems to be so heavily favored
Number23
Dec 2011
#178
When a thread begins the way this does and ends the way it does...there is no substance.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#186
wow, you really are having a hard time comprehending the OP. the part where Obama supporters can
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#236
he explained EXACTLY what he was thinking clearly and yet you refuse to discuss the issues.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#79
have at it. Ron Paul is picking up a lot of youth support because Dems have kept their heads down,
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#99
another diversion, shucks. I thought you were actually going to critique the OP for a change!
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#109
Bingo. If the office of the President is as powerless as portrayed by his fans,
Edweird
Dec 2011
#58
...and few here are willing to admit the intellectual dishonesty the OP is refering too.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#64
refusing to discuss the OP's point... about simply wanting to have it both ways, is bullshit.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#76
I am an Obama supporter who is disgusted by the simple minded thought that it's 100% or 0....
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#83
the OP took the time to show big flaws in reasoning, you took time out to fling labels and dismiss.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#95
wow, you have still no idea what the OP said, or are pretending not to. Good luck with that!
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#118
What is this weird habit you have of starting a sentence, then putting a quote in the middle,
Maven
Dec 2011
#259
Really? You're gonna go there? You realize that DU has a 'search' feature, don't you?
Edweird
Dec 2011
#116
This. I will vote for Obama, but work for those who are UNAFRAID to work towards my ideals.
bettyellen
Dec 2011
#88
And I don't understand why every disagreement along these lines is "squelching discussion."
Robb
Dec 2011
#92
it's perectly fine to call supporters cultists, morally bankrupt, on and on and on, yet STILL people
dionysus
Dec 2011
#105
Did you miss that the 'criticism' (aka insult) was directed at DU MEMBERS who are Obama supporters -
MH1
Dec 2011
#121
I am a defender who is offended. Yup - happy now? I figured it was pretty obvious.
MH1
Dec 2011
#173
What condescending crap. I hope you didn't devote a lot of time to it.
great white snark
Dec 2011
#96
Why do you think "the veto pen" gives the President much leverage at all? Why would Republicans care
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#143
I won't speak for the poster, but I would assume most people would greatly prefer 4 more years
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#168
you present a cogent and forceful argument here and in the OP -- those who refuse to hear
nashville_brook
Dec 2011
#276
If only I had a list of all the people who rec'd this trash they would go on my IGNORE list.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#180
That's funny--I thought many were left cold because they're Republicans, idiots, or worse...
TreasonousBastard
Dec 2011
#210
I want to rec this thread, but "morally bankrupt and contemptible" leaves me feeling cold.
DRoseDARs
Dec 2011
#218
Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between George Bush and Al Gore
greenman3610
Dec 2011
#234
"the better candidate will resemble Huntsman or Romney before too many elections"
Bolo Boffin
Dec 2011
#248
"What progressive goals would a Huntsman or a Romney advance us towards better than Obama?"
Pab Sungenis
Dec 2011
#335
"Obama is to the right of Bob Dole on many core issues." You're picking the "core" issues, right?
Bolo Boffin
Dec 2011
#339
If it's such a "powerless office" how come so many millions are spent to get to it?
begin_within
Dec 2011
#296
The OP is delusional in thinking anyone has suggested the President is powerless.
vaberella
Dec 2011
#324
Aside from being nothing more than an opportunity to insult those whom you either mischaracterize
patrice
Dec 2011
#321
That was a long essay, are you Nance Greggs opposite? No matter how you try to spin it,
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#322
His defenders seem to think is is many things other than the anti equality dogma
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#334
Have been thinking about what this & a few other things, lately, mean about DU3.
patrice
Dec 2011
#359
I won't forget the "They are(Obama supporters), morally bankrupt and contemptible.", remark
NNN0LHI
Feb 2012
#385
I won't forget it either. Ever. Or who said it. And that Admin condoned leaving this post alone.
DevonRex
Feb 2012
#405
So it's okay by the jury to namecall now?....("addicts"; "contemptible"; "morally bankrupt")?
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2012
#414