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sabrina 1

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79. Progressives opposed Mandated insurance long before this. So did Obama btw.

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 06:14 PM

Nov 2013

And for very good reasons. All you have to do to find a few of those reasons is to go google Obama's arguments AGAINST 'the requirement' during the campaign.

He sounded so Liberal that I chose him over Hillary based on his stand on this 'requirement' and a few other issues.

So did many others.

I opposed it because it was a Corporate idea that was bad for the people. And I still oppose it and always will because I agreed with Obama, he was correct to say that it wasn't that people didn't want Health Care, they couldn't afford it. And he made the point even more clear when he stated that 'if forcing people to buy homes would end homelessness, we would do it'.

I don't know where that person went, but I liked him enough to support him.

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Solution for those who do not want to purchase health care insurance... [View all] liberal N proud Nov 2013 OP

I think one of the problems is that even with the new policies that are offered... peace13 Nov 2013 #1

^ This ^ Myrina Nov 2013 #5

I see you point, but what we have is a great first step. Pinkflamingo Nov 2013 #9

Note to self. Low income folks are on Medicaid. peace13 Nov 2013 #46

Here are some real Ohio numbers. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #52

Not aware of cost sharing subsidies for deductible and out of pocket. Sounds interesting. peace13 Nov 2013 #60

That is part of the ACA. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #63

Thanks so much for the link! peace13 Nov 2013 #67

One thing you might look into Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #88

Thanks for that! n/t peace13 Nov 2013 #90

My husband and I are big advocates of seeing our PCP first and getting a referral from them if CTyankee Nov 2013 #101

Agree completely--health costs are out of control AndyA Nov 2013 #26

well said. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #33

Those are interesting suggestions. JNinWB Nov 2013 #2

Pay us or die!!! PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #3

Just those who are telling us it is wrong to require everyone to get covered. liberal N proud Nov 2013 #16

Pay for something you are not going to use? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #4

"maybe I need to join a religion that doesn't believe in medical treatment" sounds like you already dionysus Nov 2013 #17

The me's of the country HockeyMom Nov 2013 #51

Keep fighting zipplewrath Nov 2013 #6

I agree, we need to continue to push for universal coverage liberal N proud Nov 2013 #18

Exactly! historylovr Nov 2013 #74

Wow! 'If you do not WANT insurance', that is what Right Wingers have always sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #7

+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #8

I am saying to those who can afford but choose not to liberal N proud Nov 2013 #15

Well, I am against that also. I would never deny life saving treatment to ANYONE. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #29

Co-worker and I just discussing this Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #19

Thank you! ...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #36

+A Million. historylovr Nov 2013 #75

Religious people who don't hold with doctors fadedrose Nov 2013 #10

It's not that we don't want it, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #11

Rec PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #20

I'd like to have them shadow me for a day. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #21

Especially now that SNAP Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #25

There are no premiums with expanded Medicare you know lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #28

Yes. Yes I do. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #84

I was just throwing out a suggestion. Some states refused to even expand that. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #85

It's not even desperately poor it's working class. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #39

. adirondacker Nov 2013 #12

Indeed, responsible people have a good job and plenty of disposable income Fumesucker Nov 2013 #13

You said it right there Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #22

The exemption is from the “individual shared responsibility payment” to qualify Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #14

Great fix for the problems the people have. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #23

Obviously you have not read the entire post or replies. liberal N proud Nov 2013 #24

Borderline, bullshit, it is against the rules. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #30

I am generous liberal N proud Nov 2013 #32

Very lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #34

Rules? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #48

except PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #35

The real purpose of the idea is to shut down those who are bemoaning the requirement liberal N proud Nov 2013 #38

I do not know PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #41

The purpose of the requirement Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #43

The actual language of the law Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #91

So there is no enforcing it? Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #92

No liens or criminal penalties can be imposed. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #94

I removed the erroneous paragraph Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #95

Yay!! Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #98

I found this reference that explains it well. thanks for your help.. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #93

The last sentence (update) is the second part of the code which I quoted earlier. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #96

Progressives opposed Mandated insurance long before this. So did Obama btw. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #79

If they do not have insurance by march 2014, and they go into a hospital, it will be like it was lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #27

They will also have to pay a penalty on their taxes...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #44

Eh, I'll have insurance, I still won't have care, outside of a yearly checkup... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #31

I'm already in that boat. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #42

Mine will be employer provided, since my employer provides it, I get no subsidies... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #47

We completed our enrollment period here Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #62

The plan that was available last year sucked, I decided not to enroll.. Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #66

LOL cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #53

Considering that, in the past year, my grandmother and mother... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #55

If you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #59

Some people don't own anything so they don't haave anything to sell or for anyone to take. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #78

I appreciate your position.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #102

You will have to get the federal law requiring ER rooms give treatment, insurance or not, changed. former9thward Nov 2013 #37

I think once you tell people they have to make that choice, they will opt for coverage liberal N proud Nov 2013 #40

Can I opt out of being defended? former9thward Nov 2013 #45

That's what we have the Second Amendment for in the first place Fumesucker Nov 2013 #49

Exactly. former9thward Nov 2013 #65

The Final Solution, eh? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #50

"Why should responsible people have to pay for those who are not?" seveneyes Nov 2013 #54

And you don't think you are now? liberal N proud Nov 2013 #56

As a responsible person, I have auto insurance, property insurance, liability insurance. JNinWB Nov 2013 #57

Right? bunnies Nov 2013 #81

Are you going to read the affidavits while they die before your eyes? rug Nov 2013 #58

I'm reminded of this classic cartoon... adirondacker Nov 2013 #68

Touche. rug Nov 2013 #69

Extremely poor idea. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #61

Hahaha, no kidding. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #87

Why, as Americans, can't we have what virtually every other civilized nation in the world has? Romulox Nov 2013 #64

I'd like to add to this... Phentex Nov 2013 #71

Because no Republicans would vote for the ACA Fumesucker Nov 2013 #83

Because the insurance is not affordable. Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #70

You've been reading the Heritage Foundation document that started this train wreck solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #72

I get your point but the last question is not liberal... Phentex Nov 2013 #73

Neo-liberal and proud. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #76

Solution for homelessness? Buy a house!!!! ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #77

Got elected zipplewrath Nov 2013 #80

Can't do it. bravenak Nov 2013 #82

I haven't a clue what Republicans are even needed for, we've big tented ourselves TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #86

Same for relatives: Do NOT come running to me for cancer operation/treatment donation if you.../.. ErikJ Nov 2013 #89

I don't think that's necessary. When they file their IRS forms, they will 'pay' at that time. Sunlei Nov 2013 #97

The solution is what it always has been jrandom421 Nov 2013 #99

I am my brothers keeper. I have no problem with my money Autumn Nov 2013 #100