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In reply to the discussion: From the very beginning, Obama was bull$hitting when he said he would renegotiate NAFTA [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)86. I'm not sorry that you're "quite sad"
that I think a lot of th TPP hyperbole is similar to the RW bullshit about arms treaty.
In fact, I find some of the claims "mind boggling(ly)" silly.
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From the very beginning, Obama was bull$hitting when he said he would renegotiate NAFTA [View all]
brentspeak
Nov 2013
OP
If only we'd had a larger Democratic majority, this all would have been fixed in '09.
Chakab
Nov 2013
#28
"A politician keeping their legacy means fuck all to the people they harm in the process."
ProSense
Nov 2013
#32
So they're not the same: One has been law for 20 years, the other is still being negotiated. n/t
ProSense
Nov 2013
#72
Yeah, because he's against a small free trade agreement while pushing for a HUGE one.
cui bono
Nov 2013
#112
Millions of people would like to protect THEIR legacies. Is there something more
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#223
IF labor rights and environmental standards are part of the TPP, it's an effective renegotiation
pampango
Nov 2013
#8
You don't really think there will be labor rights and environmental standards in TPP, do you?
WowSeriously
Nov 2013
#24
Yes - who among the many corporate lawyers who negotiated the TPP in secret amongst themselves
Maedhros
Nov 2013
#49
That was Obama's original plan and conservatives have criticized their ongoing discussion.
pampango
Nov 2013
#70
If there are no enforceable provisions on labor rights and the environment, it will indeed be
pampango
Nov 2013
#124
Yes, I'm sure labor rights and evironmental standards have been vigorously defended by the list of
Marr
Nov 2013
#115
They were not 'excluded'. They are, IMHO, underrepresented. Their issues are under discussion.
pampango
Nov 2013
#123
Bwhahahahaha!! And if I am a good girl, Santa will buy me a new house!. n/t
truedelphi
Nov 2013
#177
This is a thread about Obama's comments about NAFTA. As your link indicates there is already
totodeinhere
Nov 2013
#43
I am no Hillary fan, but I do remember her campaign circulating the anti-Obama point that he had
GoneFishin
Nov 2013
#20
Anyone have a link of U.S. population trends (other than what's on census.gov)
Politicub
Nov 2013
#21
NAFTA is a drop of water in the bucket compared to all offshoring of US jobs since 1978.
go west young man
Nov 2013
#110
Trade agreements specifically designed to benefit corporate power at the expense of
eridani
Nov 2013
#207
BBI used trolling. And this thread is useful as flypaper...it tells us who on DU
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#130
Thank you for conceeding my point...and proving that this thread is flamebait.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#175
Jealousy never wears well on anyone. If you are ever so fortunate as to inherit
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#182
Aerows..making fun of a dyslexic who forgot to use the spellcheck should be beneath you.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#184
You were in a thread where I discussed my dyslexia...cited above. Also, a simple
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#187
Some of us have lives, and children to care for, and dinner to cook. You still owe me an apology.nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#199
You still owe me an apology. And I already answered your question in post #175. Less heat, more
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#201
I did not write what is contained in that second quotation mark. So you owe me another apology,
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#203
Again, you have claimed that I wrote something I did not. I answered your question in post 175.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#205
Exactly. I told you I hadn't any opinion on the TPP. You refused to accept that.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#208
You most definitely made up quotes that I did not write. I've pointed them out. I think when
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#210
Quite angry, because you've persisted after getting an answer you did not like, made fun of me, and
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#213
Here's the thing. I don't get how Obama supporters have standing to criticize Clinton.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#102
2018: "why do you leftbaggers hate ShulerTrades?! it has Affordable in the title!!!"
MisterP
Nov 2013
#107
Fair enough. Fair trade that encompasses respect for human and labor rights and the environment
pampango
Nov 2013
#136
And if what is "good for the people of the world" (sic) happens to line a few already-rich pockets,
Romulox
Nov 2013
#172
I agree. "Nationalist" and "corporatist" are far from opposites-both are favorites of conservatives.
pampango
Nov 2013
#152
Nonsense. Globalist is another synonym for Corporatist. You are manipulating words, again.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#169
Equating globalism with corporatism is your opinion. You are making your own synonyms now.
pampango
Nov 2013
#191
Reality has to be a factor, pampango. In the *United States*, "globalism" been devastating
Romulox
Nov 2013
#237
PS: Have you *ever* had a positive response to your globalist talking points? I've yet to see it.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#170
The post to which I responded is utter word salad. That is my point. It's not worth "debating". nt
Romulox
Nov 2013
#243
Ignorance isn't an argument. So, "People lost jobs due to NAFTA? I hadn't heard!"
Romulox
Nov 2013
#239
Are you guys just poring over old new clips and stories to find stuff to bash Obama about?
George II
Nov 2013
#151