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282. I'm sorry but the equation of two consenting adults does not mean rape porn is okay.
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:49 PM
Nov 2013

Rape fantasy and rape pornography in general foster an environment of sexual violence very specifically against women. That means that there is real, substantive injury as a result of consensual rape depiction.

I wonder if this really solves the core problem or just band-aids it ... what drives RKP5637 Nov 2013 #1
It drives consensual sexual activity underground. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #60
Are you seriously conflating rape simulation with gay sex? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #266
Are you seriously saying that adults JackRiddler Nov 2013 #278
Did I say rape pornography should be illegal? No. Try responding to what I actually wrote next time. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #286
I absolutely comprende, but you're missing the point... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #291
No, the absurdity is inherent in the conflation of rape pornography, which justifies sexual violence Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #298
Okay, enough. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #335
Please explain your assertion. chervilant Nov 2013 #395
Consensual rape? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #613
it band aids it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #474
is 'A Clockwork Orange' going to be banned? Garion_55 Nov 2013 #2
I guess owning Deliverance will be a felony... NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #3
Smacks? This is censorship... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #287
I agree. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #503
Nothing more disgusting? How about raping a woman Tumbulu Nov 2013 #528
once again there is the words consendual, simulated and depiction loli phabay Nov 2013 #617
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #768
Tougher question: "I Spit On Your Grave" AngryAmish Nov 2013 #6
That was my thought. What about movies that depict murder? Is it a crime to depict it in a movie? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #210
In a Snuff film ? YES, as it should be. orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #465
You know I am talking about Hollywood movies with actors, not actual murders lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #489
And You know we're not talking about ' Freedom of Speech ' or censorship of Art, orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #606
Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see in the article anything to distinguish a BBC lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #649
The theme and plot ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #776
Clockwork Orange is one of my favorite movies ever. NealK Nov 2013 #239
A Classic I've owned forever . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #464
A (relatively) modern masterpiece of a film. Bill Lermer Nov 2013 #500
I could never make it through that movie, but I don't think it should be banned just because I found liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #563
" Some viewers " ? Straw Dogs is also a great movie... orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #810
Part of the plot, not the entire content of the movie . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #462
This is a slippery slope...what about BDSM or other? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #4
Exactly. This is censorship and repression of free speech. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #10
BDSM porn is almost required to be simulated rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #62
true, its submission and domination and about power. loli phabay Nov 2013 #68
Next thing they'll be actually prosecuting rapists BainsBane Nov 2013 #89
you do know rape and consensual rape depictions are two different things loli phabay Nov 2013 #98
Look up rape in the dictionary BainsBane Nov 2013 #100
Yes, but this proposed law even covers "simulated" rape.. Upton Nov 2013 #106
look up consensual and depiction and simulated while you are there loli phabay Nov 2013 #107
Are we talking about rape porn or not? BainsBane Nov 2013 #111
See #35 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #116
See what I've written BainsBane Nov 2013 #119
Yes I've have. You have my sympathy. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #122
So in other words BainsBane Nov 2013 #129
Not at all, you cant make differentiation between real and simulated so Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #133
its word blindness loli phabay Nov 2013 #135
True that, and someone doesn't get out much Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #136
I recall quite distinctly BainsBane Nov 2013 #387
Likely because I was in a serious car accident Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #437
No, it had to do with your perceptions of your ability BainsBane Nov 2013 #439
Awww so sweet, really grasping to try and put a knife to me Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #444
You're welcome BainsBane Nov 2013 #450
Zing! Its the kind of biting commentary one can expect from you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #451
Consider yourself flattered BainsBane Nov 2013 #461
Oooh another Zinger! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #466
No, it wasn't an attempted zinger BainsBane Nov 2013 #468
Snicker, I understand quite well what it is. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #469
Would that be like truth blindness? BainsBane Nov 2013 #186
pot, kettle and all that. loli phabay Nov 2013 #247
right BainsBane Nov 2013 #250
Are you into self-diagnosis now? EOTE Nov 2013 #727
You're not even bothering to read what I write BainsBane Nov 2013 #731
The problem is that I AM reading what you write. EOTE Nov 2013 #732
Obviously not BainsBane Nov 2013 #740
Oh really, you didn't express gems like this one dozens of times? EOTE Nov 2013 #766
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #769
Here is the point BainsBane Nov 2013 #140
Wow...seriously, you believe that? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #142
It is a fact BainsBane Nov 2013 #160
Priceless, you can't even comprehend there are two separate elements we are talking about... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #161
You really took time to read those links BainsBane Nov 2013 #162
Again, you simply don't or won't get what is being said. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #163
Your post has nothing to do with the subject BainsBane Nov 2013 #166
You still don't bother to address your own words. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #168
Which words? BainsBane Nov 2013 #170
I leave the "knack of posting a lot while saying nothing" to you. Youve said nothing as usual that Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #175
As I said, there is a body of academic literature BainsBane Nov 2013 #179
Wow...seriously, you believe that? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #144
So this must be simulated too I guess: The headlines are shouting RAPE IN DECLINE Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #149
All violent crimes are in decline BainsBane Nov 2013 #164
hahah..."misogynist porn" Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #165
Are you suggesting that rape and mutilation are not misogynist? BainsBane Nov 2013 #174
I am suggesting you are a master of placing things out of context. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #176
Out of context? BainsBane Nov 2013 #180
Maybe if you bothered to read your own posts for once... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #185
I know what I've written BainsBane Nov 2013 #190
Obviously you dont understand what you've written very well. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #191
So Obe wan, tell me what have I written? BainsBane Nov 2013 #193
I've said it repeatedly. If you dont get it. Thats on you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #195
LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #197
I accept your surrender. BainsBane Nov 2013 #199
Woot !! Youve such a brilliant, searing intellect! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #209
Not briliant BainsBane Nov 2013 #218
I did? Gosh thanks for telling me so. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #220
It's unfortunate that you couldn't be bothered BainsBane Nov 2013 #225
Sounds like your Modus Operandi actually. Besides what does it matter, you won remember? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #227
Actually, winning doesn't much matter to me BainsBane Nov 2013 #238
Correction, nothing much to say to you. I mean seriously you even didnt get the initial argument Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #244
Wow, you've made an internet poster give up on attempting to educate you in the slightest out of EOTE Nov 2013 #729
Look in the mirror BainsBane Nov 2013 #733
Uhhh, you still manage to entirely miss the point. EOTE Nov 2013 #734
I ask one very simple question and you now know how I think? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #206
Lets see who jumped in....? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #212
That would be me. Why? Aren't I allowed to do that? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #213
Gosh you didn't bother to read my response posts earlier did you. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #216
You mean you went back and edited a post and answered the question? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #221
Snicker, No the post is there. again if you resort to simply saying untruths thats your issue Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #223
Y'know, the civil and normal reaction would have been to just answer someone's question... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #230
You obviously are blind to the tone of your own posts. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #234
Lord, you're rude to everyone with a YY chromosone BainsBane Nov 2013 #498
Wow what an undercurrent of issues....! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #504
Evidently he feels compelled to avoid the subject matter at all costs BainsBane Nov 2013 #226
Good. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #182
Apparently it's the business of the government of the UK BainsBane Nov 2013 #183
"Rape porn increases rape." Do you have a citation for that? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #274
yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #279
What cultural and demographic influences do you credit for the 80% drop in rape victimization? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #509
I read that 1 in 5 women are raped in the country. That is still a very high number. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #510
So, you are a rape porn defender ? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #531
I assume this post is being sarcastic? EOTE Nov 2013 #730
I've got a question for you. Do you think clips of actual rapes should be banned? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #181
So a movie like "Last House of the Left" where you have rape scenes and such, gets defined by you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #184
Do you want to answer the question you got asked? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #187
I have to wonder why you won't answer my question... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #188
Because you didn't answer the simple question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #189
I'm not interested in anything but hearing an answer to the very self-same question you present Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #194
Well, seeing yr refusing to say whether you want real rape clips banned or not... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #196
Your one to talk about control-freaky behavior. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #204
I only talk about it when it's warranted... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #233
Dear god finally. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #236
So is everyone too stupid for you to respond substantively to? BainsBane Nov 2013 #242
Gosh an attempt to make this some sort of misogynistic issue. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #246
Obviously Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #610
Do you think clips of actual murders should be banned? EOTE Nov 2013 #198
Snuff porn is already illegal BainsBane Nov 2013 #200
Of course it is. So is, I believe, video depicting actual rapes. EOTE Nov 2013 #207
Actually no BainsBane Nov 2013 #214
This is really very simple. EOTE Nov 2013 #229
You aren't dealing with common sense BainsBane Nov 2013 #235
Actually, people DO dispute those charges. EOTE Nov 2013 #243
Yes, people are falsely prosecuted BainsBane Nov 2013 #248
if it makes you happy you can see the same happening to men loli phabay Nov 2013 #249
I don't like BainsBane Nov 2013 #251
Apparently not so in the UK when it comes to clips of real rapes... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #217
So, make it illegal to possess video of REAL rapes. EOTE Nov 2013 #222
What is it with people who ignore questions and come up with bizarre questions? n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #201
I'm just attempting to decipher your very bizarre question. EOTE Nov 2013 #205
It was very simple. Only one person refuses to say that they think real rape should be banned... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #211
Sure, governments do such a great job with regard to censorship. EOTE Nov 2013 #219
But the Scots have the same law and it appears to be working fine.. Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #224
Just because some law somewhere isn't currently being abused, that doesn't extrapolate to much of EOTE Nov 2013 #232
Not being an American, I'm not an absolutist when it comes to censorship... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #240
This is about possession of material that it is already illegal to publish muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #252
And you're an actual Brit, right? BainsBane Nov 2013 #414
Well, I think there is one other who currently lives in the UK muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #427
It's a relief to see they've unshackled you long enough BainsBane Nov 2013 #445
Who was the person that refused? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #356
I can make a movie depicting anything does not mean I did it loli phabay Nov 2013 #118
And people have a real weird conception of what "consent" involves. duffyduff Nov 2013 #513
I couldn't agree more. BainsBane Nov 2013 #525
rape is never consensual JI7 Nov 2013 #148
simulated rape porn is, get the word simulated loli phabay Nov 2013 #152
Spell it slowly maybe Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #156
If I may step in here..I think the term might be "Simulated assault Scene" with emphasis on the word BlueJazz Nov 2013 #169
good point, well made loli phabay Nov 2013 #172
Is simulated Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #612
its much the same as any sexual act, there are some people who enjoy it loli phabay Nov 2013 #616
I guess my issue Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #622
i agree that there are some real sickos, its the same with horror movies. loli phabay Nov 2013 #623
you are not jacking off to horror films create an euphoric reaction thru the chemicals in your brain seabeyond Nov 2013 #627
some people do, same as violent movies, and some are sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #662
bullshit. horror films are not created with the absolute intent to get a person off, firstly. seabeyond Nov 2013 #664
on this i agree, its all about slamming the real stuff loli phabay Nov 2013 #665
in any fatnasy, the people have total control of that fantasy. it is not rape. it is wrong to seabeyond Nov 2013 #667
yup its fantasy, i think thats the point i have been making loli phabay Nov 2013 #672
what is put on screen is not the same as what we fantasize about. that would be the point. seabeyond Nov 2013 #684
on this we agree, the line is blurred. loli phabay Nov 2013 #690
we went from fantasized rape that isnt rape can be fun, to rape is fun. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #691
i think when discussing stuff like this its important to draw distinct lines loli phabay Nov 2013 #693
Slope? This is already slipped and landed. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #284
Goodbye Game of Thrones LittleBlue Nov 2013 #5
Correct, except... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #285
Ridiculous. There must be people here who remember the "Sopranos" episode where Melfi got raped. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #7
it does say something with how much graphic rape we have in our shows to entertain us, right? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #8
Well, I'm not sure "entertain" is the correct word in this case. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #15
entertain is exactly the word. actual girls, raped and put on the net to entertain the boys. ya... seabeyond Nov 2013 #17
I respectfully disagree with your characterization of some of the posts. Quantess Nov 2013 #59
Or, at best, the series' writers', producers' and chervilant Nov 2013 #809
hey there, i would say that like violence on tv etc, it shows that we all have a dark side loli phabay Nov 2013 #16
right. that would be why we have so much of the real thing put on the net for entertainment. but, seabeyond Nov 2013 #18
i agree with the issue over the real thing, thats when prosecution should be hard loli phabay Nov 2013 #19
wrong. it feeds the appetite. it sexualizes and exploits. they are at the point of sexualizing seabeyond Nov 2013 #21
the fetish side of it is already out there, with every other fetish from the wierd to the sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #23
After conflating BDSM/fetish play with real rape, backscatter712 Nov 2013 #35
thats the problem with stuff like this, its hard to differentiate sometimes loli phabay Nov 2013 #40
Banana! n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #41
lol. all i can think to that is, have a banana (chas and dave) loli phabay Nov 2013 #43
Let me make my point. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #49
yup i know, but all i could think of was the song, penguin penguin loli phabay Nov 2013 #50
Another good safeword! backscatter712 Nov 2013 #52
that and Constantinople are the two best i have heard loli phabay Nov 2013 #57
I get your point, and haven't you heard of men get turned on by being tied up, demeaned whathehell Nov 2013 #257
love is not what its about, its about fun and fulfilling fantasies loli phabay Nov 2013 #268
Not for for you, perhaps, but for many others, having sex is different than 'going to the movies" whathehell Nov 2013 #297
opinions are something we all have and your entitled to yours. loli phabay Nov 2013 #310
If that's all you've got.. whathehell Nov 2013 #317
no problem, no point arguing if we wont change each others minds, civility wins loli phabay Nov 2013 #323
True enough...n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #326
Nah.. whathehell Nov 2013 #263
not really, it was not that long ago people were accusing pedo priests etc of being a gay problem loli phabay Nov 2013 #272
This message was self-deleted by its author backscatter712 Nov 2013 #38
"The mere tendency of speech to encourage unlawful acts is not a sufficient reason for banning it.." davidn3600 Nov 2013 #77
Case in point. The massive increase in rapes since the release of the film "Deliverance". EOTE Nov 2013 #202
Are people really not understanding what rape porn is? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #42
why dont you just tell us what it is loli phabay Nov 2013 #44
Here's a clue: The Sopranos, Clockwork Orange, Deliverance, I Spit on Your Grave aren't muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #69
confused me there, sorry i think i must be reading your post wrong loli phabay Nov 2013 #70
Only in America would people think Game of Thrones and Clockwork Orange is porn... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #146
Of course, because the denizens of Oz are so BRILLIANT as to never make that mistake, right? whathehell Nov 2013 #314
What the hell?? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #339
Crumble?? whathehell Nov 2013 #378
If you have me on ignore, why make out all my posts are bigoted? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #388
I believe I used the word "had" and I didn't say ALL your posts are bigoted, lol whathehell Nov 2013 #410
You definitely implied it... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #420
No, you just inferred it whathehell Nov 2013 #452
'Is there ANY thread in which you can't find some small excuse to vent your anti-American Bigotry?' Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #457
No understanding of nuance (them, not you). Seems evidence of a childlike psychology. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #320
Watch out. You'll be labelled an anti-American bigot as well if yr not careful n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #341
It's okay, I am an American. So I have a measure of immunity, I suppose. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #343
Bullshit...Speak to her of Australians "in general"..She doesn't even KNOW any Americans, whathehell Nov 2013 #346
Just observations of my own countrymen/women. Having lived my whole life in this country. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #353
i think its more of a case of i am right and evryone else is wrong loli phabay Nov 2013 #374
Having lived your whole life in this country, your ability to "compare and contrast" whathehell Nov 2013 #386
Of course not. But I was responding specifically to Violet's post. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #390
I understand.. whathehell Nov 2013 #393
Okay, time for you to produce these MANY anti-American posts... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #428
Crumple, you don't call "time" on me, okay? whathehell Nov 2013 #438
Figured you wouldn't come up with anything to back you up... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #442
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! whathehell Nov 2013 #463
Okay, seeing you keep on saying yr leaving and don't, I'll pull the plug now... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #473
Great idea, Vi...best yet! whathehell Nov 2013 #631
Excuse me? You have no idea where I've been or haven't been... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #426
Sorry, but that's just not true...I even gave you "tips" on where to go when you were whathehell Nov 2013 #441
No, you have no fucking idea... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #446
Yes, I do have some "fucking idea", lol, unless, of course, whathehell Nov 2013 #456
No, you don't. Yr not someone I'd want to know all about me... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #460
Oh My Gawd -- Are you just finding out that this board is public to all its members? whathehell Nov 2013 #471
Yr doing that not reading what's said to you stuff again... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #475
What is it with this "yr"?...You're not on Twitter, so perhaps you could spell it out in full, lol? whathehell Nov 2013 #629
Nobody's defending real rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #56
this seems to be the point being missed. loli phabay Nov 2013 #258
It sure looks to me as though people on DU Tumbulu Nov 2013 #537
no, differentiating between real rape and simulated rape is your first step, much like real murder loli phabay Nov 2013 #621
Thank you...You are correct. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #259
This is a really disappointing thread Tumbulu Nov 2013 #534
yes. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #541
Well, what else are female characters good for in "gritty" entertainment? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #78
was that meant to be porn ? didn't watch the show but i'm guessing it was shown as rape JI7 Nov 2013 #151
Fucking Nazi-esque. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #9
this, what will be next consensual sexual act that will be on the list loli phabay Nov 2013 #13
Rape is a consensual act? BainsBane Nov 2013 #86
simulated rape in porn is consensual hence safe words loli phabay Nov 2013 #97
Wait, now you can enlighten me BainsBane Nov 2013 #347
okay just this once i will skeeze myself out and answer loli phabay Nov 2013 #362
If that safe word is explicit in the porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #370
once again the word sim ulated is in there, you know depiction. loli phabay Nov 2013 #372
You aren't being clear BainsBane Nov 2013 #376
there are ways of telling, thats why the cops get sent video if sometjing is not right loli phabay Nov 2013 #385
Okay BainsBane Nov 2013 #409
you have to get away from thinking porn is from companies loli phabay Nov 2013 #411
Then it seems such responsible consumption BainsBane Nov 2013 #413
not sure what you mean by this, i will elaborate a bit loli phabay Nov 2013 #421
TMI BainsBane Nov 2013 #440
no such thing as to much info if you want to make informed decisions on something loli phabay Nov 2013 #443
No, I mean I don't need to hear about your private BainsBane Nov 2013 #448
oh your not trust me, this is just simple info on the new faces of porn that are out there loli phabay Nov 2013 #449
My memory seems to be better than yours BainsBane Nov 2013 #453
lol i dont recall looking for or needing your approval of my prowess loli phabay Nov 2013 #454
No, I don't recall your needing my approval either BainsBane Nov 2013 #494
well you can always hide thread or ignore, thats options for you loli phabay Nov 2013 #506
+100000 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #571
No skin off my nose BainsBane Nov 2013 #577
You either feign ignorance or just flat out act obtuse as all hell. EOTE Nov 2013 #670
How do people prevent themselves from being killed in horror movies? EOTE Nov 2013 #666
How much human trafficking Is involved in Hollywood productions? BainsBane Nov 2013 #668
I don't know. 15? 20? I'm sure you know or else you wouldn't have asked, so tell me. EOTE Nov 2013 #671
wow. the total dismissal and irrelevance sex trafficking has on you. abusing women. meh? so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #680
Last I checked, sex trafficking affected both genders. EOTE Nov 2013 #681
yes. women and children, the vulnerable in our society. gets a meh. seabeyond Nov 2013 #682
Only in your silly mind does it get a 'meh'. EOTE Nov 2013 #685
and your reply. but, wtf, right? seabeyond Nov 2013 #686
Is that a haiku or something? EOTE Nov 2013 #687
3-3 to leave this post Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #697
And I alerted on Juror #2. JTFrog Nov 2013 #698
Sanity rules. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #699
More like mob rules. n/t JTFrog Nov 2013 #700
Sorry you didn't get your way. EOTE Nov 2013 #701
Sorry you don't have a clue how to have a civil discussion. JTFrog Nov 2013 #702
Says the one accusing others of mob mentality and being a jerk and an embarrassment. EOTE Nov 2013 #703
Says the one that has a string of personal attacks JTFrog Nov 2013 #705
So "Nuh uh, you are!" is the best you can do now? EOTE Nov 2013 #706
Are you intentionally misunderstanding the obvious? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #344
So you are saying British law makes no distinction between art and pornography? BainsBane Nov 2013 #352
Making this "distinction"... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #358
Courts make that distinction between art and pornography all the time BainsBane Nov 2013 #368
And you are satisfied with a police state. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #377
It's not a new category. Child porn is already illegal. BainsBane Nov 2013 #394
A dangerous prevarication. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #447
Wrong again BainsBane Nov 2013 #483
Disgusting? smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #775
One Brit living under the police state clarifies the law here BainsBane Nov 2013 #415
This law is going to be argued in the courts by lawyers... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #696
+1000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #477
One of the most common "sexual fantasies" chervilant Nov 2013 #708
Consensual rape fantasy/play is not actual rape. woo me with science Nov 2013 #721
You are entitled to your opinions chervilant Nov 2013 #767
Oh honestly, three years is not enough Tumbulu Nov 2013 #516
Disturbing in this thread how many at once thinks about fictional images of rape KitSileya Nov 2013 #11
there is a big difference between actual rape videos and pics and there being a victim loli phabay Nov 2013 #14
That's because the proposed law applies to fictional images of rape as well as real ones. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #24
We can see you don't understand it, because you brought up The Sopranos muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #73
I was going by the OP, which said "images of rape, whether simulated or not". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #93
it says "It is against the law to publish images of rape but a legal loophole ... muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #102
So how do you define, in the law, what is legal and what is not? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #109
Exactly! LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #158
Nobody is arguing against banning real sexual assault. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #39
You've nailed it...Thank you. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #261
Thank you. KitSileya Nov 2013 #651
Yes. "Many on this thread are more worried about their titillation than the fabric of our culture" whathehell Nov 2013 #726
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #774
Yes, very well stated Tumbulu Nov 2013 #551
Thank you. KitSileya Nov 2013 #660
AND, where 54% of male college students surveyed, chervilant Nov 2013 #709
More censorship for our own own good.. Upton Nov 2013 #12
If it's simulated and between two consenting adults, why should it matter? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #20
because it infects the imaginations of people Tumbulu Nov 2013 #548
People say the same thing about violent video games. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #549
so why is child porn outlawed then? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #554
Because... children aren't capable of consent. Adults are. opiate69 Nov 2013 #558
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #562
This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Nov 2013 #567
Stupid question. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #580
big difference between the two. seabeyond Nov 2013 #557
I was wondering when you would reply. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #578
on film? how do you know? how do you know it is simulated and not actual rape? seabeyond Nov 2013 #581
Oh good god. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #583
ya. one was brought onto du from fb. from teh minute she was picked up off the street to taken out seabeyond Nov 2013 #585
I was talking about the simulated stuff b/w consenting adults. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #586
they are using kidnapped women and children to make the rape porn. they can easily put the little seabeyond Nov 2013 #589
I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't sold in adult stores. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #601
did i say ALL... ok. so you have a section of rape porn you are pretty sure, not positive, but seabeyond Nov 2013 #626
Yeah, right, chervilant Nov 2013 #710
Well aren't you delightful. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #711
Yes, I am. chervilant Nov 2013 #716
Looks like you have trouble understanding my point as well. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #718
Do you regularly view rape porn? chervilant Nov 2013 #742
It's hard to answer your questions respectfully... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #743
Now, see, chervilant Nov 2013 #744
This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #745
When you can't tell "simulated" sexual violence from the real thing, you get laws nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #587
Are you against murder in movies? Democat Nov 2013 #619
It can desensitize some people to violence against women. Edited to include it not I. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #561
I have no problem with banning actual rape porn. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22
probuably safest thing is to record the whole thing with consent taped at the start and parameters loli phabay Nov 2013 #25
Allow me to clarify--any porn revolving around using geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26
no problem, but its both male and female who have the fetish and its not really about the rape loli phabay Nov 2013 #28
how idiotic! this is not about fantasy Tumbulu Nov 2013 #545
and yet you find the time to worry about what consenting adults do in their sex lifes loli phabay Nov 2013 #615
what about women and their 50 shades obsession. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #30
I thank god every day for the first amendment. davidn3600 Nov 2013 #32
+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33
Yes, Jefferson wrote that the ability of wannabe rapists to wank geek tragedy Nov 2013 #36
And the ability of the KKK to hold marches. And the ability of people to use the "f" word in public. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #54
Jefferson's first amendment didn't protect any of that stuff. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #65
Do you want to make a list of what would be banned under such a stupid law in America? davidn3600 Nov 2013 #55
If you read more closely, you'll see that the justiciability of standards geek tragedy Nov 2013 #67
LOL. whathehell Nov 2013 #321
Yes Jefferson, whose relationship with Sally Hemmings was totally 100% consensual... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #533
sick defender of women being tortured and beaten! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #556
+1 PassingFair Nov 2013 #245
You're talking about stuff that, even if it doesn't depict real sexual assault, is indistinguishable nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #337
the ban on underage depictions is likely not constitutional in the US nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #404
I know. And the law in the OP wouldn't likely hold up here either. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #408
Just men? There's a thriving and active community of women who enjoy Codeine Nov 2013 #354
correct women are just as kinky as men. loli phabay Nov 2013 #423
In that case, you're opposed to the First Amendment to the Constitution, and I'm opposed to you. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #630
Quite the conceited argument you make, proposing that anyone who disagrees geek tragedy Nov 2013 #669
Conceited. Yeah, I get that way when people want to trample the 1A. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #674
You get that way when people disagree with you. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #675
I've said what I came to say. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #676
yes, in the manner of the Church Lady nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #677
It is already against the law to publish images of rape porn, so The Accused is unaffected muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #80
How can you come up with a definition of "rape porn" Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #101
A case of the jury knowing it when they see it, I think muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #94
that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #104
Evoking Game of Thrones and A Clockwork Orange BainsBane Nov 2013 #611
This law (according to the OP) only applies to material that's already illegal. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #328
so they are going to ban slasher / horror movies too. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #27
I don't think rape should be eroticized gollygee Nov 2013 #29
People don't choose their kinks. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #31
+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #34
Rape is a violent crime BainsBane Nov 2013 #87
There is a difference between a consensual fantasy and real sexual assault. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #96
Those are not rape fantasies BainsBane Nov 2013 #99
Like I said, the problem is that the consensual stuff will be labeled as "rape porn"... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #108
The problem seems to be BainsBane Nov 2013 #117
males and females both watch and participate in these simulations loli phabay Nov 2013 #120
Yes, and women participate in the human trafficking that BainsBane Nov 2013 #128
wtf are you on about now, dont you get it, people as part of their sex life loli phabay Nov 2013 #134
Don't lecture to me about sex BainsBane Nov 2013 #138
its not about sex, its submission, domination, power loli phabay Nov 2013 #141
Which is not what I'm talking about BainsBane Nov 2013 #145
to educate you, simulated rape is part of bdsm loli phabay Nov 2013 #150
You do understand that women watch BDSM videos too. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #123
You're the one broadbrushing BainsBane Nov 2013 #125
I think you have a filter that means you cant see the words below loli phabay Nov 2013 #130
Yes, and women's right to live as EQUALS outweighs misogynists' "right" to their sick erections. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #736
Well, they don't clearly, not in this country BainsBane Nov 2013 #739
Yes, I know and THAT in itself, is an outrage! whathehell Nov 2013 #764
Every erect penis is a direct assault on women's rights everwhere? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #772
"there is correlation between watching that stuff and actual rape" You forgot a word. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #773
Thank you. He's an idiot. nt. sibelian Nov 2013 #373
despicable? no raping people is despicable Tumbulu Nov 2013 #550
I explained my position 20 times already. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #689
Just because you assert chervilant Nov 2013 #712
Force fantasies are usually identified among the top 3 WOMENS sexual fantasies. Xithras Nov 2013 #47
its actually very common, power and sex are closely linked in many fetishes of both sexes. loli phabay Nov 2013 #72
How about castration porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #88
Holy crap! zappaman Nov 2013 #91
I don't think it is BainsBane Nov 2013 #95
Rule 34 applies... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #173
if its consensual then why not, kinda like faecal play, not my thing loli phabay Nov 2013 #105
There isn't much of that is there? BainsBane Nov 2013 #110
rofl, vo do research you will be surprised at how much goes on loli phabay Nov 2013 #126
Well by all means BainsBane Nov 2013 #132
talking about simulated rape in porn loli phabay Nov 2013 #139
It's not all simulated BainsBane Nov 2013 #143
and yet you misd the point that consensual rape porn is not rape loli phabay Nov 2013 #155
Oh very good! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #569
It's not just about power. Xithras Nov 2013 #124
good post, the taboo has always been a big turn on for people loli phabay Nov 2013 #147
You're a man, but you speak only of women & with such "authority"..How about discussing MEN & their whathehell Nov 2013 #331
How about YOU go and find out ANYTHING AT ALL about the subject? sibelian Nov 2013 #371
Honey, I AM a woman...So maybe..Gee, just MAYBE I know something about women you and other men don't whathehell Nov 2013 #379
Yeah, because all women are exactly the same, and exactly like you Xithras Nov 2013 #397
Nah, not the point, but again, why don't you want to talk about YOUR fantasies or that of other men? whathehell Nov 2013 #405
How about YOURS? sibelian Nov 2013 #714
How about YOURS? whathehell Nov 2013 #725
Lol. I'm perfectly comfortable with it. Xithras Nov 2013 #720
Lol, that's nice, but since you decline to speak of them, whathehell Nov 2013 #724
How about YOU read my other POSTS on this thread, so YOU know what you are TALKING ABOUT whathehell Nov 2013 #402
Well... Xithras Nov 2013 #391
Of course.. whathehell Nov 2013 #400
Fantasies may be somewhat gender neutral in terms of the relative power dynamics BainsBane Nov 2013 #505
if such fantasies didn't exist, 50 shades of grey wouldn't be so popular with women. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #555
again... in fantasy there is total control over every that happens from appearance, to place, to seabeyond Nov 2013 #560
No one said they don't "exist"...Fifty shades of grey is popular with some women, hardly all, whathehell Nov 2013 #728
Oh tough shit! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #519
See the article linked in #511. tammywammy Nov 2013 #529
no. 62% of women create a scenario of an appearance of but no. they fantasize about the paticipants seabeyond Nov 2013 #536
so what? Is that a reason to make this stuff normal? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #540
Get your sicko attitude out of my life. sibelian Nov 2013 #713
when women fantasize about rape, they have control on all aspect of that rape. the man, seabeyond Nov 2013 #576
What's the difference between something being eroticised and someone having a fetish for something? sibelian Nov 2013 #53
We need safe outlets for people to explore their sexuality in a consensual and safe way. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #58
Yeah. I was involved in the Scottish BDSM community when I was younger, consent is CRUCIAL to them. sibelian Nov 2013 #137
Exactly - we're arguing in this threat over what is the definition of "rape porn". backscatter712 Nov 2013 #153
Well, as I understood it, imagery of anything ACTUALLY non-consensual isn't "rape porn" it's SNUFF. sibelian Nov 2013 #334
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #115
It shouldn't be n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #765
sorry FatBuddy Nov 2013 #37
rofl, loli phabay Nov 2013 #45
Some of them don't even try hard... n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #63
you used the word hard in a porn thread. tsk tsk loli phabay Nov 2013 #66
His trolling attempt was... Lancero Nov 2013 #71
rofl, now you have done it, it flopped big time. loli phabay Nov 2013 #74
I'm sorry, last I checked, porn is performed by consenting adults. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #81
thats the crux, anything consenting adults do should be none of anyones business loli phabay Nov 2013 #83
just in case you have not noticed Tumbulu Nov 2013 #566
When you are in a trusting relationship you can feel safe to explore sexual fantasies. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #570
rape porn? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #573
I see someone upthread has already addressed the child issue. Children cannot give consent so stop liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #723
when you are in a trusting relationship pretending to rape and be raped, you are not raping and seabeyond Nov 2013 #574
No. All porn is not rape. Porn is porn and rape is rape. sibelian Nov 2013 #324
*snork* name not needed Nov 2013 #425
Troll harder, troll! nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #546
Good. MadrasT Nov 2013 #46
thanks, is it okay for them to video it as well and post it so others can see. loli phabay Nov 2013 #48
I suppose if it's clearly depicted as consensual - and no one is actually hurt - then it's okay. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #359
i think that it would be better to have the contract in writing or on tape loli phabay Nov 2013 #364
Disclaimers at the start of the video, etc. Just to clearly separate it from the "real thing." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #367
could have one of those no animals where hurt in the making things and some org certify it loli phabay Nov 2013 #369
Nobody wants to go to jail for consensual sex play. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #51
I agree. Which is why I think this law is problematic even if I sympathize with some of its goals. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #348
You just care what they watch... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #61
Whether or not YOU care isn't the issue. Laws are being drawn up. sibelian Nov 2013 #351
It's impossible to regulate fiction. ntt rrneck Nov 2013 #64
I don't think this is meant to "regulate fiction" though. It has to do with either *real* depictions nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #361
How do you distinguish one from the other? rrneck Nov 2013 #476
I don't want anyone to "regulate fiction." I thought I just said that. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #479
All fiction operates on the principle of rrneck Nov 2013 #485
But *I'm not talking about fiction of any kind*. That's the thing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #487
Um, rrneck Nov 2013 #493
But what I'm talking about here is recordings of *actual crimes*. *Not* anything fictitious. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #499
If the good is indistinguishable from the bad rrneck Nov 2013 #507
Personally, I'd only be interested in prosecuting people who produce actual videos of criminal acts nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #526
I agree. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #543
Based on the Scottish law... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #75
the scottish law is not to bad, only issues i have is the could cause severe injury part loli phabay Nov 2013 #79
It may be ambiguously outlined... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #84
Cartoon tentacle porn won't be affected by this, I'm pretty sure... Though I could be wrong... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #363
Thank God!!!!! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #737
I'm actually not kidding when I say that I've studiously avoided hentai up till now. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #746
I'm too old, man. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #747
Oh yeah, "Fritz"! I've seen bits and pieces of it, been meaning to watch the whole thing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #749
R. Crumb hated it so much, he killed the character afterwards. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #751
Poor kitty! nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #753
More.... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #92
"possessing pornography which depicts rape" SirRevolutionary Nov 2013 #76
Well, the Japanese porn market is certainly not gonna like this... Lobo27 Nov 2013 #82
Excellent BainsBane Nov 2013 #85
Good. Jamastiene Nov 2013 #90
erm, you know that guys do it to loli phabay Nov 2013 #112
No, really? NealK Nov 2013 #159
well the comment seemed to imply on women were simulated raped, I was pointing out loli phabay Nov 2013 #171
I'm not sure that I understand your first sentence but NealK Nov 2013 #215
gah i hate typing on the cellphone it always messes up words or autocorrects loli phabay Nov 2013 #253
Fun movie to watch, that is relevant: Preaching to the Perverted. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #103
But fictional portrayals of murder are still OK? Throd Nov 2013 #113
All clearly fictional portrayals (as in feature films) are "OK" I'm pretty sure. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #365
So what does that mean for "fantasy rape" porn? Buddha_of_Wisdom Nov 2013 #121
There's the rub. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #127
"People engaging in erotic fantasy play are in danger of..." NealK Nov 2013 #192
Thank you BainsBane Nov 2013 #208
Really? NealK Nov 2013 #231
PWF BainsBane Nov 2013 #237
as i said earlier real rape tapes should be hammered but consenting adults should be able to record loli phabay Nov 2013 #254
It means they'll host it in a different country LittleBlue Nov 2013 #131
"whether they claim they are ‘simulated’ or not." NealK Nov 2013 #154
I see Camerwrong has fixed everything else in the UK and has to time to deal with this stuff now.... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #157
Only 6 Recs? NealK Nov 2013 #167
Oh goody, it's thoughtcrime time! Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #177
That's why I'm skeptical of this law, even though I agree with some of its objectives... n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #366
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #178
Hamburglar sentenced to 30 years for "simulated" theft. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #203
What the nasty apologists in this thread don't understand is, everything in a movie is ALWAYS real. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #228
No, but it sometimes is BainsBane Nov 2013 #241
if they are paying then they are doing it wrong, i could link you to many free sites rigjt now loli phabay Nov 2013 #255
Do you pay for Google? BainsBane Nov 2013 #260
lol, youbreally think that ibwant you to watch something that you are talking as an expert on loli phabay Nov 2013 #265
So watching some porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #267
lol loli phabay Nov 2013 #269
no such luck BainsBane Nov 2013 #271
n/t loli phabay Nov 2013 #273
The right of people to wank to giant robots destroying cities Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #289
Bull. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #403
Pornography is NOT fantasy--it is reality. duffyduff Nov 2013 #515
So you are of the opinion that women are not capable of consenting to have sex in front of a camera, Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #600
Pictures of consenting adults doing things the government doesn't like = crime cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #256
Why do people continue to assume it's all consensual? BainsBane Nov 2013 #262
There are mainstream, popular porn stars who participate in rape pornography. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #270
I don't know what percentage BainsBane Nov 2013 #296
And that is certainly a worthy discussion. But I think what should be the main discussion here... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #307
Did you see that Ted video in HOF BainsBane Nov 2013 #315
No, I'll go watch it. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #318
why cant you see that its two different things we are talking about loli phabay Nov 2013 #276
I'm sorry but the equation of two consenting adults does not mean rape porn is okay. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #282
i dont know were this idea that its against women, women are big into this as well loli phabay Nov 2013 #295
I really, seriously don't need a lecture on human sexuality from you. Just an FYI. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #302
This message was self-deleted by its author loli phabay Nov 2013 #308
That argument won't survive in the Supreme Court... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #300
I have not once in this entire thread stated that rape pornography should be illegal. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #303
You made a promise to be done with me BainsBane Nov 2013 #292
nah i did not give you my word, i answered you without realising it loli phabay Nov 2013 #301
Anything that is not consensual is already illegal. No new law is needed. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #294
Demand fuels human trafficking BainsBane Nov 2013 #299
Humans are also trafficked to work in factories. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #304
Do you believe the consumer bears no responsibility BainsBane Nov 2013 #319
I don't shop in Walmart, but plenty of DUers do. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #355
My concern for workers rights BainsBane Nov 2013 #360
So you support three-year sentences for Walmart shoppers? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #478
Do you support no prosecution for 96% of rapists? BainsBane Nov 2013 #486
No, and what an insulting question. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #508
bullshit BainsBane Nov 2013 #539
I would say for sure that we need more protections for workers in general, not just sex workers... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #572
And no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #375
And someone in the Government gets to define whats "problematic" (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #380
Yeah, that's part of the problem right there. And I acknowlege that this is a complex, frustrating nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #384
"no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #605
Yeah because attacking demand has worked out so well in the war on drugs! davidn3600 Nov 2013 #322
The war on drugs has dealt almost entirely with supply BainsBane Nov 2013 #325
What a load of crap davidn3600 Nov 2013 #382
Tell that to Colombia and Mexico BainsBane Nov 2013 #406
Should we ban horror movies since guys like Ted Bundy may "get off" on it? davidn3600 Nov 2013 #418
"This thread defending rape porn" JackRiddler Nov 2013 #470
LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #472
I see you've met the friend. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #754
Well, shit... opiate69 Nov 2013 #755
THATS HIS LEG, SIR Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #757
heh.. kinda reminds me of my high school days.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #759
Who knew Dee Snyder was carrying around Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #777
Jeepers. If that's the case then maybe you cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #492
You think that doesn't concern me? BainsBane Nov 2013 #496
Why anyone would want to watch that kind of porn is beyond me. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #264
is not all porn garbage to people not into it, theres shitloads of stuff out there that few watch loli phabay Nov 2013 #275
I am not saying all porn is garage. I said this kind is. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #277
its one of those if it floats your boat question, we all have kinks and fetishes that seem strange t loli phabay Nov 2013 #283
I just don't get how someone can find rape porn appealing. Scary stuff. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #288
You are completely disregarding the substantive consequence of prolific sexual violence. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #290
and like it or not its part of human nature, now we can fight the violence loli phabay Nov 2013 #306
I'm not an essentialist so if you are arguing that rape is implicitly within the human mind... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #309
think if you read again, i was saying that submission domination etc are part of us all loli phabay Nov 2013 #311
Domination and submission is part of us all because we justify their existence. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #312
i respect your opinion but disagree, i am happy with domination and submission and loli phabay Nov 2013 #316
The law doesn't criminalize bdsm BainsBane Nov 2013 #332
sorry thought i was done with you. n/t loli phabay Nov 2013 #336
You won't answer the question? BainsBane Nov 2013 #340
Witness the defenders of the law BainsBane Nov 2013 #416
I just don't get how anyone can watch something like that. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #419
That's because you're a good soul BainsBane Nov 2013 #424
think of it this way, are there aspects of your own sexuality that some people dont get loli phabay Nov 2013 #429
If a person has a fetish for watching rape then they need to get a new fetish. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #430
going to try to take this one apart, for some its the rape aspect that titillates, some are sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #433
Look I understand you are trying to explain it but it seems horrible to me. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #434
yup, i get it. its one of those things that makes us all different loli phabay Nov 2013 #436
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #609
Feel free to avoid it. How vanilla stuff turns anyone on is a mystery to ME. sibelian Nov 2013 #327
Ok. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #330
bingo, loli phabay Nov 2013 #333
It's a mystery why rape survivors BainsBane Nov 2013 #338
And survivors of mass shootings probably hate to see gun violence in movies. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #407
Firstly, the numbers aren't comparable BainsBane Nov 2013 #412
And damaging Tumbulu Nov 2013 #520
Yes this is very damaging to people because some but not all will become desensitized by this. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #523
Coming soon "All things deemed "naughty" to be banned" Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #280
When consenting adults decide to make a movie of themselves doing something, and nobody gets hurt, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #281
I agree with this. Which is why they need to clearly differentiate what they're doing nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #381
Also important to distinguish between real "snuff" films and simulated violence (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #383
Of course. No argument from me. But no sane person watches a violent movie and think it's real. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #389
This is what happens when people who can't tell the diff between... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #293
But does anyone really *need* to do that weird "BDSM" stuff? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #305
and a chaperone to make sure nothing untoward happens. loli phabay Nov 2013 #313
I find it fascinating that the only ones here conflating BDSM and rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #345
Well those folks need to educate themselves on the difference as well MrScorpio Nov 2013 #357
or those who think mainstream movies and tv shows JI7 Nov 2013 #417
This is why, as I said, people need to very clearly differentiate their simulations nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #392
awesome publice service advert. loli phabay Nov 2013 #398
Rape for the sake of rape ( not part of a plot ) is Misanthropy orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #329
Excellent point about Ted Bundy BainsBane Nov 2013 #342
So whatever any killer blames for his crimes, we should ban. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #349
Any Killer ? We shouldn't ban kiddie porn ? or only if they kill the child ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #455
This thread is a about putting consenting adults in prison Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #459
This thread is in GD, and it's about Scumbags that support orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #607
Yeah, because it's not like Ted Bundy JackRiddler Nov 2013 #350
Once in prison, how about on the way to the chair . And " Media influence " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #458
I don't disagree with the spirit of the law, even if I'm dubious on the 3-year sentence for nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #396
simply have a page at the start that says peta approved loli phabay Nov 2013 #399
"BRILLIANT!" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #401
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" or "law of unintended consequences" or something. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #422
In general I agree. But what happens when you can't tell the "real thing" from the fake? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #480
Then what would their crime be....being uninformed? Captain Stern Nov 2013 #482
You have a point. And that's why I have my reservations about the extension of the law. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #490
you would rather see guilty folks watching a real rape in progress get away... well, bully for you. seabeyond Nov 2013 #495
Yes, If that's the only choice. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #640
i do not want to see women and our children brutally raped for the entertainment of men. for seabeyond Nov 2013 #647
I also don't want see our women and children brutally raped for the entertainment of men. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #654
whose responsibility is it? the victim throwing a clue out during her rape so a buyer knows? or seabeyond Nov 2013 #655
since there is a huge market of trafficked women and children forced, or girls blackmailed to do seabeyond Nov 2013 #652
Fair Enough. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #657
Just watch bluestateguy Nov 2013 #431
plunking, lol in some ways thats better than pegging. loli phabay Nov 2013 #435
No, the law only makes illegal possession of porn that is illegal to produce BainsBane Nov 2013 #467
I wish people would stop freaking out and realize what this law actually entails. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #484
Come on BainsBane Nov 2013 #488
Very true. I suppose that's something of a built-in feature, when it comes to Internet nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #491
You created those Strawman with 50 posts in this thread DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #636
how do you know the difference between the "simulated" rape and actual rape how do you know you seabeyond Nov 2013 #637
That question has been posed lots of times in this thread DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #642
huge sex slave trafficking with the sole purpose of producing rape films and presented to the public seabeyond Nov 2013 #658
Wrong. BainsBane Nov 2013 #641
OP is about the UK. It quickly devolved into a hypothetical discussion about the US. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #643
You haven't bothered to follow my argument in the slightest BainsBane Nov 2013 #648
I told you not to waste my time. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #653
My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #432
Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies. woo me with science Nov 2013 #481
+1 n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #497
That is shocking. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #501
See post 511. tammywammy Nov 2013 #512
I don't believe those fantasies are actually rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #502
Not all women that have rape fantasies are about being "ravished" tammywammy Nov 2013 #511
interesting, knew it was not rare just not that common loli phabay Nov 2013 #514
It's probably higher tammywammy Nov 2013 #517
yeah that was me, furries i just dont get but its their thing loli phabay Nov 2013 #518
in a womans rape fantasy, it is her fantasy to control. everything about the rape is her control seabeyond Nov 2013 #527
As a rape victim, yes I do know what rape is. tammywammy Nov 2013 #547
in the article it is what is in the womans head. ALL is in her control with her "rape" fantasy that seabeyond Nov 2013 #553
And that is precisely why it is called 'fantasy' Bonobo Nov 2013 #602
that is not what rape, nor supposed simulated rape created is. that would be the issue. seabeyond Nov 2013 #635
Role play of the type described could easily appear to someone to be a Bonobo Nov 2013 #639
the escalation of sex trafficking, kidnapping women and children, forcing rape on them, seabeyond Nov 2013 #656
No, I'm not saying that at all. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #659
so, you feel the buyer is responisble for the porn he consumes that a victim is not being forced seabeyond Nov 2013 #661
Yes, I do. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #663
You keep bringing up this stuff about chemical reactions. Do you have a scientific source or study Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #738
Yet isn't rape and fantasy an oxymoron? BainsBane Nov 2013 #522
woman has NO control in RAPE. fantasy of rape, she has control of ALL elements of rape. it is not seabeyond Nov 2013 #530
This just in: The Human Psyche is complex, and occasionally paradoxical…. opiate69 Nov 2013 #532
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #535
Yes and producing this stuff may desensitize some people to rape. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #544
Sexuality is mysterious and that includes fantasies. tammywammy Nov 2013 #538
I can agree with that BainsBane Nov 2013 #542
It's consentual forcible sex. tammywammy Nov 2013 #552
Again, I disupte they are rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #564
Consensual "forcible" sex might be a better way to put it. The quotation marks are important. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #575
how forcible is it when both parties agree this is what they are playing at? she can pretend to be seabeyond Nov 2013 #579
That's pretty much exactly what I was saying. Hence the quotes. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #582
ah, ok. thanks. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #584
Well.. let`s see.... opiate69 Nov 2013 #590
so, i am right. pretend. role play. the person trusts each other. big whoop. that is not rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #592
And nobody here, again, is defending real rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #683
if you are defending the right to the rape porn, then ya, you are defending real rape. a vast amount seabeyond Nov 2013 #688
I'm saying that Cameron's law doesn't distinguish between... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #692
i do not give a fuck about camerons law. i an addressing the men that validate, normalize, excuse, seabeyond Nov 2013 #695
what is wrong is equating all this to actual rape. fantasy is nothing about rape. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #593
That isn't what the law targets BainsBane Nov 2013 #594
How odd that you keep leaving out the important part of the language. Looks intentionally deceptive. Bonobo Nov 2013 #608
consentual forcible sex done exactly how the person wants it done and with who.... how forcible is seabeyond Nov 2013 #565
So what, it is violent torture Tumbulu Nov 2013 #521
my brother dated a girl once who told him she wanted to play out a rape fantasy with him. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #559
she chooses her rapist? and how would that be rape. they could play all they want, but she seabeyond Nov 2013 #568
Well good job! They are poisonous Tumbulu Nov 2013 #524
If the movie is fiction, it's clear censorship. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #620
how do you know the girls/women are willing? free of responsibility if you do not know? seabeyond Nov 2013 #632
How about examining the actual law BainsBane Nov 2013 #588
taking away all the fun. people are BORN with these kinks. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #591
You (intentionally) left out the significant part of that. I'll fix it for you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #595
Does this mean videos of piercings are illegal? backscatter712 Nov 2013 #679
Hardly a broad or vague standard, it would seem. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #596
and Game of Thrones BainsBane Nov 2013 #597
I think people are more afraid of the slippery slope and how such a law would apply in America davidn3600 Nov 2013 #598
No, because if it's not illegal to make it's not illegal to possess BainsBane Nov 2013 #599
You're wrong and making up things. Bonobo Nov 2013 #603
If a simulated depiction of a criminal act is indistinguishable from the "real thing" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #604
For those who aren't regular consumers of rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #614
How about the Government bans anything that is "extremely offensive to the average person"? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #618
Try reading the actual law BainsBane Nov 2013 #624
The law says "or depicts it in a realistic way". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #625
Okay BainsBane Nov 2013 #628
It's already illegal to traffic, rape, and kill people. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #633
What's with the constant refrain about consenting adults? BainsBane Nov 2013 #638
How about keeping actual murder and rape illegal, but fictional murder and rape legal? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #644
"provided" BainsBane Nov 2013 #645
1. Yes, I want to keep actual murder and rape illegal. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #650
Ah, I see you've met the old debatin' pal Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #748
My reading of the law is that it doesn't ban such fictional portrayals. BainsBane Nov 2013 #808
You realize at the current state, this thread has 676 posts and you account for 118 of them? snooper2 Nov 2013 #678
You don't have a clue what the word "consensual" means. cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #719
Someone in this thread keeps asserting that its -impossible- for a woman to consent Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #741
Also... opiate69 Nov 2013 #750
Zesty, perhaps, being an adjective better reserved for salad dressing Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #752
I should make sure I journal that post of mine... opiate69 Nov 2013 #756
And I totally forgot the Big Lebowski reference until just now. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #760
Any time is a good time to dust off the old dvd and pour a Caucasian.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #761
Heh. But I did back in the day, fo sho'... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #762
You do know we aren't talking about your private sex life here? BainsBane Nov 2013 #781
This post brought to you by the Department of Inane Non-Sequitors. opiate69 Nov 2013 #786
Gee, I had such hopes for you BainsBane Nov 2013 #787
As long as we're rating substance... opiate69 Nov 2013 #788
That PM wasn't directed at you, so I fail to see why I need to discuss it with you. BainsBane Nov 2013 #789
Did I now?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #791
An affiliated page? BainsBane Nov 2013 #793
Hmmm... opiate69 Nov 2013 #794
No, it was in the middle of Pab's meltdown BainsBane Nov 2013 #795
I never said it was "official" DU.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #796
You're lecturing me about reading comprehension? BainsBane Nov 2013 #799
Somebody obviously needs to. Your history here makes that crystal clear. opiate69 Nov 2013 #801
It takes a strong person to admit he or she is wrong. BainsBane Nov 2013 #806
Kind of ironic since HOF regularly calls the owners of the site misogynists. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #800
And, worse if memory serves... opiate69 Nov 2013 #802
Who? BainsBane Nov 2013 #780
You lost any chance to get my time, consideration & energy when you sent me the "**** ***" PM. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #782
fair enough BainsBane Nov 2013 #783
I'll do what I want, thanks. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #784
I understand no one has said rape is great BainsBane Nov 2013 #785
It's like she's Tom Brady to your Richard Sherman... opiate69 Nov 2013 #792
Wow. That's got to be the most bizarre posts I've ever read BainsBane Nov 2013 #779
Oh god, your rationalization is just laughable. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #818
What makes you think they will? BainsBane Nov 2013 #807
No, the problem would be that a person would face criminal charges for Bonobo Nov 2013 #634
Lots of DUers have a great deal of trust that prosecutors will be able to determine Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #646
Ah, the fun Ken Cuccinelli would have with Cameron's new law. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #694
As you know very well, prosecutors do not convict people in the UK muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #735
THis is a very long thread. AngryAmish Nov 2013 #673
My thoughts exactly. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #704
kudzu, my friend. kudza AngryAmish Nov 2013 #707
Graywarrior's "never die" thread. rrneck Nov 2013 #758
Wow, Straight Story, chervilant Nov 2013 #715
Truer words have never been said: NuclearDem Nov 2013 #717
Good! In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #722
Almost 800 replies. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #763
Starting to look like a hot celebrities thread. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #770
You only say that because you're worried the UK is going to take away your rubber walrus porn Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #771
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #778
No kidding. LittleBlue Nov 2013 #790
Gee, 16 recs and nearly 800 replies. I suspect fighting. nolabear Nov 2013 #797
EPIC FUCKING THREAD. This went exactly like I envisioned it to go. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #798
What I find really impressive is there is only one hidden post in this thread. n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #803
wonder how many alerts there have been though. but its amazing only one hide though loli phabay Nov 2013 #812
So are all simulated illegal activities between consenting adults illegal now? Kurska Nov 2013 #804
The funniest thing is people who think this will do literally anything besides send people to prison Kurska Nov 2013 #805
Actually, this would make if more effective than the original law muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #811
" And that will put some people off getting hold of it in the first place." Kurska Nov 2013 #813
Freedom of speech always has limits muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #814
Consensual adults doing consensual things in the privacy of their own home shouldn't be a limit Kurska Nov 2013 #815
This isn't, however, "in the privacy of their own home" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #816
I think you have a very tragic misunderstanding of what people who are into this are actually like Kurska Nov 2013 #817
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