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In reply to the discussion: How come Hillary supporters can't present an argument for her? [View all]VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)337. Says who? She called herself one before you called yourself one!
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Why should a progressive support Hillary in the primaries when she's not progressive?
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#1
There's also a formal Progressive Caucus, and Bernie Sanders is the only Senatorial Member.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#367
Why would I weep...i vote Democrat...if Bernie gets it...I vote for him
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#408
Because of the total absence of any Progressive Democratic Senators to actually predictably vote
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#418
You do know that traditionally Democrats haven't been opposed to rich people right?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#318
A 'new democrat', means the same thing, a 'democrat who is tight with the bankers'.
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#579
Good point. But then why is she being promoted here? The OP is asking why wont those
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#451
I see much more promotion of Warren on DU than I see promotion of Hillary. nm
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#464
So do I but that's not an answer. Why wont HRC supporters discuss issues? nm
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#467
The conservatives that support HRC would like nothing better than for the left to relax
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#476
I think you've created some fictitious battle that only exists in your mind
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#486
Um, thank you for supporting cali's point. You linked OP is about Hillary's inevitability.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#22
Your last sentence, if true, says something terrible about this country. It makes it clear that we
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#378
'... make accepting corporate contributions poison in the eyes of the electorate.'
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#563
Programmers will tell you that the way to get a large complicated program to work right
eridani
Nov 2013
#521
less pure? how about less right-wing? oh, and did you read the article at your link?
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#241
Imagine that. Boggles the mind. That's too hard...easier to bitch and moan. That or think maybe
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#425
The conservatives call feeding America's children, getting the NSA back to
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#458
Frankly, I could care less about Republican purity. You make my point in your next sentence.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#504
I think I might have misunderstood your #425 response. I am still confused as
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#507
Assuming that is code for Hillary=royal screw job. What I have said dozens of times is...
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#509
Thanks for understand my frustrations and forgiving my random lashing out.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#514
I'm a 60s radical and, to be very honest, found myself much like you. Think McGovern. I understand.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#518
This is just another petulant strawman post, to go with the other "Hillary Sux" one.
MADem
Nov 2013
#86
The candidates have to start getting ready early. That doesn't mean that we have to be enthused.
Blanks
Nov 2013
#438
Your link helps prove what the OP claims. Clinton supporters will not post what
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#64
Yes, I read it. I couldnt find any issues that she supports referred to. It must be me.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#85
Oh I am a big fan of Martin O'Malley....He will make a great VP pick for Hillary
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#185
You demand I don't post history....and then you post historical musicals?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#197
All I posted about was your false claims on approval numbers; you are SO confused.
Divernan
Nov 2013
#217
No one will give a shit. They'll say "So what does that have to do with her?" or
MADem
Nov 2013
#379
" the rest of us are bored with it all." You are speaking for yourself. Now is the time to start a
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#80
Yes the conservatives can gloat but we arent going to give up. At some point the public
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#446
You could have left it at just "...a better candidate than Christie." We...
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2013
#489
If you notice, the Clinton supporters are not the ones posting threads attacking other Democrats.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#360
No its not ridiculous....first we were "idolizing" Obama...now Hillary?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#61
Most Democrats create jobs....Do you think Hillary won't be a Job Creator?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#105
I'm not trying to blame her entirely, but if we put her in the WH it'll be hers too.
NuclearDem
Nov 2013
#437
People like the idea of anarchism because of what it ultimately stands for.
NuclearDem
Nov 2013
#363
What it means by any dictionary definition is Chaos...I have shown every
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#396
I think YOU should do some research myself...I don't make up definitions...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#426
YES you do not get to decide the meaning....it is MOST certainly not Colloquialism.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#414
Just FYI, persisting in dodging questions like that is every bit as clear as answering "yes", and
Marr
Nov 2013
#420
Ask her former constituents that are also former IBM employees thanks to her "progressivism".
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#568
No I don't think that and I will not ever vote for any of the others, either.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#576
Do Democrats create jobs for Americans under your so-called "corporate coup d' etat"?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#161
Better than posting rightwing sources as a reason to NOT vote for her, n'est pas? nt
MADem
Nov 2013
#91
The Progressive Party ended in 1952. All there is now is corporate party 1 & 2.
L0oniX
Nov 2013
#110
and do any of them have the polling power to beat even Chris Christie?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#292
I think things are different now. And yes, I think Hilly will be a fucking disaster
cali
Nov 2013
#79
Roughly, yes. The "D" after a candidate's name actually is the most important thing
Recursion
Nov 2013
#584
I'm sure Hillary's ambitions are her own. Whatever Bill's unctions may be they
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#70
Treating women as appendages of their husbands seems antiquated./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2013
#111
no more than FDR, again... giving HRC a higher bar than the male DEM presidents is so...
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#124
They are purist, if HRC or Warren aren't 120% perfect then they need not apply
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#93
very fair, HRC shouldn't have a higher bar than the dem men that came before her that are hailed as
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#174
There is a higher bar, those hating on HRC woud've despised FDR ... facts are facts... and why
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#259
Re the financial link (not that what I think matters as I don't even live in the States)
sibelian
Nov 2013
#536
Maybe because some of us have a little class & refuse to get down in the mud slinging
William769
Nov 2013
#63
Oh no, Bill, you're speaking for me, too. Please allow me to associate myself with your remarks. nt
MADem
Nov 2013
#97
Hillary, unlike FDR, hasn't been a perfect progressive so she's disqualified /sarcasm
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#101
Or it could be that most people actually involved in the process are focused on 2014.
grantcart
Nov 2013
#173
Shit, that's bargain basement prices. Didn't Saint Ronnie of Reagan make two million for two
MADem
Nov 2013
#117
Hillary is a pragmatic progressive. She does what she can, and she doesn't bullshit people.
MADem
Nov 2013
#141
I have no idea. Why the hell should she be making those speeches for that kind of money?
cali
Nov 2013
#145
Well I do beg your pardon. That said, I got a strong whiff of snark in your subject line
MADem
Nov 2013
#352
Well, one person's progressive is another person's unrealistic, recalcitrant obstructionist.
MADem
Nov 2013
#372
She and Bill also hosted a fundraiser for him, and raised over a million bucks for his mayoral
MADem
Nov 2013
#345
OTI actually backs up their placement with details, as you can see if you look at the web page.
MADem
Nov 2013
#512
I don't care if HRC has corporate sponsors, so long as the corporate sponsors are
MADem
Nov 2013
#516
I believed with demographic shifts the Democrats would never lose another presidential election.
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2013
#99
There is some polling that shows Hilary Clinton may put Texas into play in 2016
Gothmog
Nov 2013
#365
Why should Hillary supporters try to convince Hillary haters of anything?...
SidDithers
Nov 2013
#109
This is just a flame bait thread. If it was really aimed at having a discussion of the issues, the
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#225
I wasn't aware she was running. As far as I knew, we don't have any declared candidates so
OregonBlue
Nov 2013
#139
Maya Angelou reminds us, "When somebody shows you what they are, believe them."
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#560
At this time I did not aim those words at any individual in particular; speaking in generalities for
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#562
Does anyone believe for a second that conservative Dems would vote for, say, Sanders...
Marr
Nov 2013
#155
The only thing I care about is 2014!! Any other discussion is moot to me. But if Hillary is the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#160
The closest I've seen to an argument is "because she can beat the repuke", but
hughee99
Nov 2013
#171
If she's progressive, and a leader, why has her stint as a WalMart Board member done nothing ....
Scuba
Nov 2013
#189
Thank you for some perspective. In fact, I don't think she even announced yet?
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#228
For a women's right to choose, for civil rights, including gay rights, for Kyoto Protocol, clean air
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#215
+1, FDR wasn't a perfect progressive no prez is but the extra hate on HRC is overt in some cases
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#261
... and if Warren would support any of those you'd throw away your support for her?
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#279
"Again, FDR was not the corporately owned creature that Hillary is. " You sure?!?!?!
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#309
From the FDR library.... "How did the Roosevelt and Delano families make their money? "
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#487
Hopefully we won't actually divide - but there is a growing number of Dem voters...
polichick
Nov 2013
#294
That old "vote for our candidates or the bad guys will get in" doesn't work when...
polichick
Nov 2013
#323
Did you see the study that said Americans under 30 prefer socialism to capitalism?
Laelth
Nov 2013
#544
I'm a liberal. I'm not a "progressive" and I support Hillary Clinton until a better candidate
The Second Stone
Nov 2013
#273
I've written many responses in my support of Hillary...and I'm right up there with you. Thing I'm
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#381
I consider myself officially in a political place I am most comfortable..learning..options..what if?
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#581
No. My friendly ex is the Democratic Executive Director of a Blue County in a Blue State.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#394
lol, i almost choked when I saw this post headline. dems aren't going to start
okieinpain
Nov 2013
#313
Curious as to how many more anti-Hillary threads we can expect from you.
Old and In the Way
Nov 2013
#316
I can't be bothered with her right now. She is a private citizen and hasn't declared
kestrel91316
Nov 2013
#328
You can goad/bait all you'd like, but if you paid attention, she's NOT the same as Bernie.
MADem
Nov 2013
#485
My mind is made up only until someone else shows up. I have posted frequently and liberally and
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#404
Mostly agree. And yes, I'll take 'Better than a Republican' over 'Republican' any day of the week.
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#423
I know..I'm really trying harder..and I'm not excited, either. 20 years of Bushes or 16 of Clinton/
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#430
Thing is, I value their opinions, even though they sometimes piss me off.
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#553
I would like to respectfully disagree, in case you've missed most of my posts.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#440
Mine are Cricket Posts ... get it? ... can hear the crickets. These Anti-Hillary folks are pretty
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#455
No real progressive can justify running her. Someone needs to primary against her.
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#411
Agree 100%... which would I think HRC would mean yet another 4 years of playing defense
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#448
Well it looks like it will be a good idea that there is a primary so these issues can be discussed.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#506
It's the TPP or Trans Pacific Partnership. NAFTA on steroids. It will nullify national sovereignty.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#470
As a standard 3rd Way "not as bad" candidate she's "not quite as bad" as Joe Lieberman.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2013
#449
They dont have to. She doesnt have to commit to stands on specific issues because
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#480
Well that's not a comforting thought, let alone dream....even without the "sarcasm" smilie
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#567