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It's encouraging to see the national mood shifting to the left. Laelth Nov 2013 #1
I think Clinton's plan is pretty solid and pretty obvious cali Nov 2013 #2
If she does win the nomination BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #110
I'll vote for her- puking all the way cali Nov 2013 #117
... BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #120
I'm a woman, but I certainly won't support her in the primaries cali Nov 2013 #123
Actually, I've been here BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #129
Yes, I'm deeply angry over the corporate takeover of the party. And I'm not the only one cali Nov 2013 #131
Sure her ties trouble me. BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #221
Frankly I don't care whether the candidate is a man or a woman. So long as they have a RECORD, sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #169
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #223
YES! As you say! RKP5637 Nov 2013 #227
"you seem to be a shit stirrer" Veilex Nov 2013 #136
No. treestar Nov 2013 #144
That's Democracy for you newthinking Nov 2013 #195
This seems like an odd post to me. SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #209
Bill DeBlasio LOVES HRC--he ran her Senate campaign. MADem Nov 2013 #252
Oh, please. People on the left have been disturbed by Clinton's corporatism cali Nov 2013 #268
Well, gee, when you go to the "Ready for Hillary" website, the first face you see is DeBlasio's. MADem Nov 2013 #271
Most DUers certainly find my argument convincing cali Nov 2013 #274
Ooooooooh--a gratuitous slam! A personal insult! Didn't take you long, did it? nt MADem Nov 2013 #275
I like sand. juajen Nov 2013 #277
I've posted numerous links to her enmeshment with corporate interests cali Nov 2013 #280
I think what BOG types have firmly planted is … 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #302
How I wish … 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #301
+1 MADem Nov 2013 #303
I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #304
Well, if people have ill will, they'll show it soon enough. MADem Nov 2013 #306
Party before people heh? dotymed Nov 2013 #263
I want a candidate who will win. BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #281
Hello.I'm Oldenufff,and I am a shit stirrer... Oldenuff Nov 2013 #279
Hey Oldenuff BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #285
If Elizabeth Warren is her VP, that would soften the blow - she'd be next in line AAO Nov 2013 #241
In 2016 Warren will be 67; Hillary C.will be 69; after 2 terms, W=75; HC = 77. Divernan Nov 2013 #249
I doubt that will happen. MADem Nov 2013 #253
No more voting for candidates whose "blows" need to be softened. woo me with science Nov 2013 #308
I hope Warren runs against HRC as a Democrat - I'll vote for her. AAO Nov 2013 #309
dear cali q.kobi Nov 2013 #264
dear q.kobi: I have no idea what you are attempting to say. cali Nov 2013 #272
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #292
You seem to forget where you are tavalon Nov 2013 #161
blue to the bone, don't ask that question. you assume that people won't vote for the nom. roguevalley Nov 2013 #211
From talking to dems I know, they will not vote for her if she receives the nomination. They will sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #233
I'm with you. Hillary spells trouble for Hillary. We don't need Rethug lite. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #269
I thikn now is the time for us to say "No we will not support her as the nominee for she is too cui bono Nov 2013 #247
I appreciate you posting blue14u Nov 2013 #179
Is this still up to us? mdbl Nov 2013 #260
mdbl, I understand what blue14u Nov 2013 #293
Ok, I'll try harder... mdbl Nov 2013 #307
I too hope that is the case.. We vote, we try, to bring change and blue14u Nov 2013 #310
When the first Iraq war made Bush I undefeatable, all the tblue37 Nov 2013 #180
Now, Julian Castro might have a chance BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #216
Did you hear Howard Dean's remarks yesterday? 2banon Nov 2013 #194
He ought to know...he's a smart man! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #240
He, and a million other people who have already donated to MADem Nov 2013 #254
Yeah, that is unfortunate 2banon Nov 2013 #284
I disagree entirely with every single thing you've said. MADem Nov 2013 #290
Of course you disagree with me. 2banon Nov 2013 #291
Listen to you--so very hard at work with your nasty little label maker! MADem Nov 2013 #305
Good billhicks76 Nov 2013 #248
Dear Noble one q.kobi Nov 2013 #265
Welcome to DU. Laelth Nov 2013 #267
Dear q.kobi ~ Hello In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #273
Premise being Hillary can NOT change policies for the best... Hillary isn't Pol Pot uponit7771 Nov 2013 #3
Premise being that her history is one that reveals her close ties to corporate interests cali Nov 2013 #4
Keyword: History, I'm going to wait and see what her plans are... I don't hate Hillary, I think she' uponit7771 Nov 2013 #7
Fair enough. What would she have to do to earn your trust? cali Nov 2013 #10
try uponit7771 Nov 2013 #38
Well for some just say the right words. zeemike Nov 2013 #47
No doubt. Wilms Nov 2013 #50
Forensic psychologiy's oldest and firmest rule: Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #20
Again, people can change... after seeing Hillary in SOS role I'm willing to give her a chance uponit7771 Nov 2013 #41
Just curious but zeemike Nov 2013 #52
try uponit7771 Nov 2013 #64
"Try", frankly isn't good enough. Veilex Nov 2013 #124
She was a primary force in crafting and backing the TPP cali Nov 2013 #132
If true, then I'm seriously concerned about that. Veilex Nov 2013 #139
For who? uponit7771 Nov 2013 #148
for anyone attempting to understand where you're coming from. cali Nov 2013 #149
Good enough for me and explains a lot, all she has to do is try and make every attempt to stay uponit7771 Nov 2013 #151
Glib responses are an admission that you don't have an answer. /nt Marr Nov 2013 #162
Labeling what's good enough for me is an indicative of purism, I'm not a purist. I'm not going uponit7771 Nov 2013 #191
"Go, adequate!" Marr Nov 2013 #229
Yes, I wish life was full of perfect choice, it's not. On top of all this it sounds like the people uponit7771 Nov 2013 #238
What every SOS does... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #176
What changes have you seen in Hillary? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #53
Her role as SoS was more conservative than liberal cali Nov 2013 #57
Yes. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #63
Not tippers for me, FDR would have been hated if you think TPP is bad. What she did as SOS uponit7771 Nov 2013 #65
that's just topsy turvy. the exact opposite of the preponderance of the evidence cali Nov 2013 #71
This is false, FDR had almost 4 terms as president and you think he didn't do ONE THING that uponit7771 Nov 2013 #150
Comment about FDR is a strawman... Veilex Nov 2013 #214
Exactly. treestar Nov 2013 #142
The purist here would throw her out the second she doesn't send every CEO to gitmo save COSCOs uponit7771 Nov 2013 #152
Yes, and the non-worry about the congress of 2017 treestar Nov 2013 #156
Sigh. More codswallop. I'm not even an Elizabeth Warren for President supporter cali Nov 2013 #159
what codswallop. One only hopes that you don't actually believe such nonsense. cali Nov 2013 #158
My problem with these arguments Marr Nov 2013 #165
it is like that game at the fair where you hit a gopher and another pops up cali Nov 2013 #168
Hillarys "extent" you think goes TOO far & others dont..an authoritarian or purist subjects others uponit7771 Nov 2013 #192
I'm hardly a purist. I don't expect that any candidate won't have some corporate cali Nov 2013 #193
I'm a real dem and I accept the ties she has. I'm not going to let others define "real dem" for me.. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #236
Supporters of Hillary could help her immensely by not referring to those who do not, as 'purists', sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #174
If she's trying to earn our trust Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #42
Given her sucking up to corporate $... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #127
I see a woman who is and can be flexible. Who's not stupid. Who may well see the trends that are calimary Nov 2013 #137
Well stated. Wish it was an OP. That last sentence. Thanks from I'm guessing quite a few of us. libdem4life Nov 2013 #160
BUT brilliance in the servicee of values and policies I despise is even worse tblue37 Nov 2013 #181
Understood. Hey, I'm one of the legions for whom the Iraq War vote was a nonstarter. calimary Nov 2013 #244
Would you have written this about a male candidate? karynnj Nov 2013 #210
If it was dan quayle, uh, forgive me but - "you betcha"! calimary Nov 2013 #243
I believe the premise is that Hillary wouldn't WANT to change the policies for the best. djean111 Nov 2013 #5
We'll see, I don't see tons of corporatism about her now and even Warren couldn't be a purist in ... uponit7771 Nov 2013 #8
I do cali Nov 2013 #11
I have a higher bar for a corporatist than those issue or even a couple. IMHO a person would have to uponit7771 Nov 2013 #44
Clinton is every bit as much the corporatist as bush was- maybe more so cali Nov 2013 #48
Again, out of Clinton I don't see the same "fuck government, it sucks" sentiment word or deed uponit7771 Nov 2013 #51
But that's not corporatism Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #84
good post. thank you. cali Nov 2013 #101
+1000. Agreed. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #111
I would like to submit this video as Exhibit 1: bvar22 Nov 2013 #143
bvar22, thank you again!! blue14u Nov 2013 #186
+1 chknltl Nov 2013 #145
There's no need to fear such a possibility DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #220
FDR has actions that fit in that exact definition, he's a corporatist too? The purist would say yes uponit7771 Nov 2013 #154
Back to the FDR strawman... Veilex Nov 2013 #217
False on it's face and a valid comparison seeing FDR would've surpassed Hillary in corporate uponit7771 Nov 2013 #237
You're the only one making the comparison... the topic has nothing.. Veilex Nov 2013 #282
Irrelevant who is making the comparison, the fact is HRC shouldn't be held to a higher bar than.. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #283
Thats a bit naive... Veilex Nov 2013 #286
"Times change" - same can be said about HRC no? tia uponit7771 Nov 2013 #287
Times do change... long practiced habits and behaviors rarely do. Veilex Nov 2013 #288
"rarely do." ... good we agree, RARELY doesn't mean impossible and the reason she deserves uponit7771 Nov 2013 #289
"good we agree" Hardly... Veilex Nov 2013 #296
I think my argument is pretty logical, don't judge Hillary over her tenure by a higher standard than uponit7771 Nov 2013 #297
If that is what your notion of logic is, then we'll have to agree to disagree. Veilex Nov 2013 #298
Ad homs response are an indicator of a poor position uponit7771 Nov 2013 #299
Your absolutely right... Veilex Nov 2013 #300
Yep... I don't see blue14u Nov 2013 #185
Awesome response! EOM Veilex Nov 2013 #215
Hillary helped construct the TPP, and there are links elsewhere on DU for information djean111 Nov 2013 #12
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Nov 2013 #115
Isn't Just Her liberalmike27 Nov 2013 #40
The actual premise is that Hillary Clinton is unable to understand polling and grantcart Nov 2013 #235
Think of Hillary's sacrifice, voting for the Iraq war in order to maintain her electability Fumesucker Nov 2013 #6
I'd like to see people here who support her address the points in the cali Nov 2013 #9
The Iraq war will be an issue if Hillary keeps claiming this Whisp Nov 2013 #96
Conscience? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #22
Imagine the horror of having to vote for war in 2003 in order to be able to save us in 2016? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #46
I initially believed her vote for Iraq War was to maintain electability magical thyme Nov 2013 #114
All that sublimated rage at Bill has to be directed somewhere. Divernan Nov 2013 #250
We need Clinton like we need Bush. nt valerief Nov 2013 #13
Hillary and The Carlyle Group. Hillary and Goldman Sachs. Hillary the Corporate Crony cali Nov 2013 #14
+1 jsr Nov 2013 #24
Hill and MallWart Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #25
yep. really the list of her corporate ties is impressively long cali Nov 2013 #30
Not to mention HRC's blue14u Nov 2013 #187
It's nice to see that the rank and file are coming around. mattclearing Nov 2013 #15
I tend to agree. DU was to the left of mainstream dems for a long time cali Nov 2013 #27
I think a lot of conservatism was masked by the fact we had a common enemy in Bush. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #34
That makes sense. Never underestimate the pull of pure partisanshit as well cali Nov 2013 #35
I am almost sure of it. zeemike Nov 2013 #70
Lots of true leftists have moved on from this place warrant46 Nov 2013 #126
Can I suggest that Bill de Blasio winning in NYC does not scale up to a national election? brooklynite Nov 2013 #16
perhaps. perhaps not. cali Nov 2013 #18
But new-blood Dems are mounting credible campaigns everywhere. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #36
Yes Yes Yes... we are!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #188
Yesterday I read a socialist won a city council position in some city in Washington, I believe. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #39
I hate to expose myself to potential ridicule by making a whole OP about it, but Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #59
I'll rec not ridicule any op you write about this. please do cali Nov 2013 #75
I'll be on the lookout for that OP as well BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #200
Those in Seattle who want to show they support this change, there's a rally at 2:30 PM today... cascadiance Nov 2013 #175
Hillary is not the only one out of step with majority Dem sentiment... L0oniX Nov 2013 #17
There are a lot of conservadems posting here but hopefully they aren't the majority cali Nov 2013 #19
Lets face it: consrvative Dems cross party lines easier than do liberal GOP. Nixon and Reagan ..... marble falls Nov 2013 #60
Hillary is the very face of the corporate Dems. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #21
I am afraid a populist candidate might split the ticket ... It's too early to see how things could YOHABLO Nov 2013 #222
This is the heart of the matter fadedrose Nov 2013 #23
2 main factors in the ratings-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #31
When you look at it from raw ambition. 2004 would have been the best time for HC to pounce.... WCGreen Nov 2013 #26
I completely agree. I think Hillary missed her window of opportunity back then. cali Nov 2013 #28
I hope so. n/t PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #29
from your lips to the goddess's ears (n/t) bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #32
I must say I'm a bit concerned- ruffburr Nov 2013 #32
Well, when you operate from a position of fear WowSeriously Nov 2013 #45
Wow Seriously- ruffburr Nov 2013 #61
There are lots of majority attractive messages. US jobs, living wages, affordable housing are a few. L0oniX Nov 2013 #69
Absolutely- ruffburr Nov 2013 #73
Obama did Oilwellian Nov 2013 #86
I think it time we stop pre settling for lesser candidates. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #138
Frankly, I think ProSense Nov 2013 #37
No surprise there stupidicus Nov 2013 #43
many Americans don't know that Hillary is not a left-wing populist. Even many Democrats - even those Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #49
I think the mask is slipping and we can help cali Nov 2013 #56
Might be a good idea to send Sanders a few bucks fadedrose Nov 2013 #203
Let's not forget this nugget from her past: Her connection with The Fellowship cali Nov 2013 #54
Hillary No - DLC No - Progressives Yes - Warren 2016 cantbeserious Nov 2013 #55
k&r Strong post! I hope you're right and I think you are. marble falls Nov 2013 #58
thank you! and love your slogan. cali Nov 2013 #76
I love how it becomes personal hfojvt Nov 2013 #62
how on earth is that "personal" ? I don't even get the point of your post cali Nov 2013 #77
How is "trouble for Hillary" NOT personal? hfojvt Nov 2013 #90
Sorry, I think your post is totally nonsensical cali Nov 2013 #99
still personal, eh? hfojvt Nov 2013 #134
94 %?? But that's Gallup, yes? MADem Nov 2013 #255
2014 will be a strong deciding factor on which brand of Dem the people want. gtar100 Nov 2013 #66
It may well be an indicator of where dems are heading cali Nov 2013 #78
Biggest Trouble For Hillary Is Her Campaign hollowdweller Nov 2013 #67
I think Hillary has a tone deaf quality to her cali Nov 2013 #79
Both Hillary and her campaign staff believed in her 'inevitability' back then, too. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #184
In order to defeat Hillary, Dems will vote for Ted Cruz and Chris Christie. ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #68
riiight. because that's the only alternative. If we don't nominate conservaHillary cali Nov 2013 #72
are you assuming Hillary will win the primaries? magical thyme Nov 2013 #122
I don't get why conservative dems don't just admit that that's what they are cali Nov 2013 #74
Can you explain why Howard Dean supports her? ProSense Nov 2013 #80
Well, Dean wasn't particularly progressive when he was Governor of Vermont cali Nov 2013 #82
Because Warren isn't running. She has said so over and over. MADem Nov 2013 #256
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #81
lol. yeah, people to the LEFT of Hillary are "repukes". cali Nov 2013 #85
Is this a joke? polichick Nov 2013 #89
I will support the left-most candidate, whomever that ends up being. nt silvershadow Nov 2013 #83
Hillary Clinton would make a great adieu Nov 2013 #87
She would make an even better former politician. bvar22 Nov 2013 #146
Yes she would. We don't need dynasties for one thing, particularly when they are right leaning and sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #234
Cali: Please post a link proving this sentence from your post: northoftheborder Nov 2013 #88
Here is a short excerpt of Hill's remarks in Vietnam from the State Dept website-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #93
And this… Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #100
people who don't want to believe that Hillary is what she is- cali Nov 2013 #118
She was the Senator from India LongTomH Nov 2013 #153
here: cali Nov 2013 #95
The neoliberals and Wall Street mob are calling the shots in the Democratic Party. duffyduff Nov 2013 #91
Far more than "compromised" I think... polichick Nov 2013 #92
I think that the dem base can wrest that away. I agree with Jackpine cali Nov 2013 #112
Ironically Ms. Clinton will have the full force of Citizens United behind her. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #94
I don't believe that's inevitable- despite CU cali Nov 2013 #97
To think she'd be less corporatist after becoming president ... I can't...this map boggles. ancianita Nov 2013 #98
Shocker: Hill is pro-fracking cali Nov 2013 #102
facepalm SHRED Nov 2013 #105
she's the ultimate corporate shill. I'll give her this: She's damn good at it. cali Nov 2013 #106
not good enough to fool me SHRED Nov 2013 #107
no. thankfully. more and more dems are seeing the corporate influence on the cali Nov 2013 #109
Sometimes I wonder if this DU is interested in... SHRED Nov 2013 #113
there's an awful lot of mindless partisanship here cali Nov 2013 #116
true SHRED Nov 2013 #119
People seem to confuse political parties with sports teams. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #157
heh, a Milloy endorsement (but I thought gender equality was "woo" to those shills...) MisterP Nov 2013 #295
Hillary lost all ready haydukelives Nov 2013 #103
We are sick of the old DLC bullshit SHRED Nov 2013 #104
laws written by the Heritage Foundation and Big Insurance... MisterP Nov 2013 #294
I don't want her to be President 90-percent Nov 2013 #108
What is her position GP6971 Nov 2013 #121
She's waffled all over the place. you can't pin her down cali Nov 2013 #125
Well........ GP6971 Nov 2013 #128
Hillary supporter are attacking liberals 4dsc Nov 2013 #130
there will be more and more of them cali Nov 2013 #133
Yes, it will get extremely snarky newthinking Nov 2013 #199
Hillary Schmillery wreq Nov 2013 #135
Welcome to DU. What if she is the Dem candidate, who would you vote/campaign for? uppityperson Nov 2013 #140
lol. cali Nov 2013 #141
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #197
Errrrrr....Howard Dean has endorsed Hillary Clinton. MADem Nov 2013 #257
I, For One Would LOVE To See This Happen! ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #147
The rising disgust with Politics-as-usual spells trouble for Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #155
If Dennis Kucinich gives up his FOX gig he can run again/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #163
another silly non-response to the OP. Now tell me why Hillary is a good candidate cali Nov 2013 #164
Don't forget her role in the NATO invasion of Libya, a country that is now in a tragic state of sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #166
You sure aren't alone cali Nov 2013 #167
Right-it was in much better shape under Gadaffi's leadership brooklynite Nov 2013 #204
that it was in bad shape under Gadaffi is NOT a logical argument cali Nov 2013 #219
Yes, it was. In fact most Libyans had free access to HC, so they were way ahead of us in that dept. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #232
Been wondering... TRoN33 Nov 2013 #170
I doubt Warren will run. She really doesn't have much to do with my cali Nov 2013 #171
Clearly someone didn't get the memo about how Hillary is the inevitable nominee and hughee99 Nov 2013 #172
I think more and more people will be getting that memo. cali Nov 2013 #173
Yes, they will try to hammer the boot down newthinking Nov 2013 #202
yes, it has changed. And not for the better. cali Nov 2013 #205
Clinton is not my first choice for the nomination but by any objective standard she must be totodeinhere Nov 2013 #177
That's undoubtedly true. cali Nov 2013 #178
2016 is looking more and more like 1896 happyslug Nov 2013 #182
"The revolution of 1896 within the Democratic Party meant short term defeat... polichick Nov 2013 #207
Just a historical clarification wyldwolf Nov 2013 #230
With the loss of Congress the Democratic party turned to the right happyslug Nov 2013 #231
Shhhhhhhh....! MADem Nov 2013 #259
True, and it's largely because of how far to the Right the Tea Party has gone. Frankly, overall, libdem4life Nov 2013 #183
I confidently predict that the Democrats will Progressive dog Nov 2013 #189
Elizabeth Warren isn't the issue here. Of course Hillary is in the running cali Nov 2013 #190
Did you know that Elizabeth Warren said Progressive dog Nov 2013 #196
Yes. I did know that. So? cali Nov 2013 #198
I'd put her as mainstream, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #212
Well, unlike "mystery meat" BHO, HRC is a known entity, a rightie. Send her to the GOP. They need blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #201
de Blasio is a Clinton guy JI7 Nov 2013 #206
de Blasio is allied with the Clintons, no doubt and has a history with them cali Nov 2013 #213
Here are some Warren quotes. Beacool Nov 2013 #208
lol. fail cali Nov 2013 #218
Hey, support anyone you want, Beacool Nov 2013 #224
I haven't. ever. cali Nov 2013 #278
Ms. In Between libdude Nov 2013 #225
But it's so very important for the populists to have a candidate. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #226
I'd like to point out that this is asserted every presidential election cycle wyldwolf Nov 2013 #228
I could Easily Support Hillary Clinton DallasNE Nov 2013 #239
please not Martin O'Malley! Vattel Nov 2013 #261
The Clinton and the Republicans fighting is soooo "Last Century". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #242
Wooooohoooooo! We can do much better:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #245
I'm going to wait for her to declare her candidacy DFW Nov 2013 #246
***Didn't Bill DeBlasio RUN Clinton's NY campaign?*** MADem Nov 2013 #251
yes, of course he did. I'm fully familiar with his ties to the Clintons cali Nov 2013 #266
Well, Bloomberg was a Republican-turned-Independent Mayor. MADem Nov 2013 #270
If we can't do better .. sendero Nov 2013 #258
2016 Obama - Biden Reformed Bully Nov 2013 #262
Welcome to DU. The creative speculation forum is that way cali Nov 2013 #276
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