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Ms. Toad

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156. When the mother's choice is made for her, I agree.

Reply to jeff47 (Reply #154)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:25 AM

Nov 2013

But it is still hyperbole to refer to modern day adoption of infants that way, as a general matter.

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Don't Want To Be Insensitive To A Fellow Duer's Personal Story... But... [View all] WillyT Nov 2013 OP

I don't think you made yourself clear here. Th1onein Nov 2013 #1

Trying To Avoid Being Accused Of A "Call-Out"... WillyT Nov 2013 #2

Thanks, WillyT. Th1onein Nov 2013 #11

good, then don't have one. Whisp Nov 2013 #22

How did you escape my Ignore List? Th1onein Nov 2013 #25

Wow why so angry? boston bean Nov 2013 #27

The "just mind your own business" probably did it. JimDandy Nov 2013 #80

This being a Democratic Underground, and Democratic Party supports Right to Chose, abortion included idwiyo Nov 2013 #92

Make sure you add me ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #68

You had to get it out just one more time. boston bean Nov 2013 #23

Ya know, Boston Bean, people come to DU to learn, to grow, and they change their views, sometimes, Th1onein Nov 2013 #24

I believe I can conclude your position on abortion is not liberal or boston bean Nov 2013 #26

I believe you are wrong. Th1onein Nov 2013 #31

I stated your position on abortion was not liberal. Are you arguing that your position should be boston bean Nov 2013 #32

So what? Th1onein Nov 2013 #40

Sorry it's just none of your business. You think it's taking a life, boston bean Nov 2013 #42

You apparently didn't read what I wrote. Th1onein Nov 2013 #46

I'm not going to give any pro life argument credence. boston bean Nov 2013 #49

I read what you wrote "Now, I'm going to shut up, and let whoever wants to shout, shout. " uppityperson Nov 2013 #55

I wish the shouting matches on here could be framed with the politics of the situation in mind wercal Nov 2013 #107

"framing it as a women's rights issue"???? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #77

You are utterly incorrect about stating when pro-choice people think 'life begins.' msanthrope Nov 2013 #85

You're playing a fucking stupid semantic game. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #153

I don't think your anti-choice stance is progressive at all. tammywammy Nov 2013 #34

This anti-choice person has been allowed to remain on DU for years. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #104

+100000 nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #141

Antil-abortion = anti-progressive. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #41

You can be against abortion and be progressive. Pab Sungenis Nov 2013 #128

No you can't. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #140

I disagree. Pab Sungenis Nov 2013 #142

It would help your case cliffordu Nov 2013 #52

More inflammatory rhetoric. Th1onein Nov 2013 #58

Still: What anyone else does with their cliffordu Nov 2013 #62

I guess if you say it enough times, you might believe it. Th1onein Nov 2013 #64

Ah, we hardly knew ya cliffordu Nov 2013 #65

How many children do you have? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #70

I was (and still am) a single mother. I have two children. Th1onein Nov 2013 #148

If you think what Caretha Nov 2013 #129

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ cliffordu Nov 2013 #155

:applause: Change has come Nov 2013 #63

+ 100 peace13 Nov 2013 #152

since you vote Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #82

Calling abortion "murder" is respectful? Holy shit. idwiyo Nov 2013 #87

I haventnseen that thread and if it wasn't aimed at an idividual Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #88

It aimed at everyone who chose abortion. Calling me a murderer is respectful? idwiyo Nov 2013 #89

You really need to read my posts, idwiyo. Th1onein Nov 2013 #111

Didn't you do it once already? Regardless, I'll display it as a badge of honour! idwiyo Nov 2013 #112

Thank you, Niceguy1. Your behavior lives up to your handle. Th1onein Nov 2013 #110

For what it's worth my mom is also pro-life davidpdx Nov 2013 #84

A woman can be against abortion for herself, but pro-choice. CTyankee Nov 2013 #133

As I said she is against abortion completely davidpdx Nov 2013 #143

I am stunned I'm reading this on DU. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #145

I get what he is saying Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #67

Anyone who dares to have a different opinion on DU lately is treated badly. When it suits them sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #69

"I support right to chose" doesn't equal "I wish everyone carried to term and gave it for adoption, idwiyo Nov 2013 #90

Ironic? Not at all... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #3

Good Points All... But You're Not Suggesting Women Don't Have Abortions Because Of You... WillyT Nov 2013 #6

Not at all... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #12

Agreed... I appreciate Your Response... WillyT Nov 2013 #15

True, though I think the thought process is worth exploring Bradical79 Nov 2013 #102

I think I addressed this in this post linked below... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #109

It's flawed thinking. Bradical79 Nov 2013 #100

The thinking is no more "flawed" than any other conclusion modified by personal experience... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #108

You're right, it's very flawed thinking for the very reasons you state so well. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #147

Oh you know libodem Nov 2013 #4

Fan of hyperbole? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #72

What do you think "adoption instead of abortion" is? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #97

That does not describe the mothers I know who gave their children up for adoption. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #118

It does describe 3 women's experiences that have been friends of mine. Yes, there are open uppityperson Nov 2013 #120

Those situations were likely years ago, Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #122

Obviously one was years ago since the mom drank/died of hypothermia 15 yrs later. It all depends on uppityperson Nov 2013 #123

hmmm.... newcriminal Nov 2013 #124

And? You remember me saying "for some" and "sometimes"? So? uppityperson Nov 2013 #125

Whatever helps you sleep at night. newcriminal Nov 2013 #126

I sleep well, thank you very much. Some women have an easy time, some more difficult uppityperson Nov 2013 #127

no newcriminal Nov 2013 #130

Yes. I did. I always do. I am the one who says "for some" not "all" or "every". Maybe you have me uppityperson Nov 2013 #131

Here is what I wrote. I highlighted "for some" since you seem to have missed it. uppityperson Nov 2013 #132

I was talking about the post above. newcriminal Nov 2013 #134

This is my 78,004th post and most of them do not say "for some". I ONLY said "sometimes" in that uppityperson Nov 2013 #136

I was responding solely to the insistence Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #137

Yup, I agree with all of that. Sorry for being, well, upppity at you. uppityperson Nov 2013 #138

You're just living up to your name. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #139

Have maternal instincts changed over the years? Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #144

The question is whether, in the context of the current debate, Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #146

Bottom line; Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #150

Both, though, are a major source of grief - Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #157

The ripping does not have to be physical. jeff47 Nov 2013 #154

When the mother's choice is made for her, I agree. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #156

I think you are reading too much into it. Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #5

You're Most Likely Correct... WillyT Nov 2013 #8

If I were pushing an agenda, Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #14

I am not part of an organized agenda, but if i were part of an organize agenda el_bryanto Nov 2013 #28

True, less abortions could be a good thing Bradical79 Nov 2013 #106

You hit the nail on the head. Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #121

You find it weird that someone who would not exist had his mother chosen abortion over adoption Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #7

Seriously... I'd Love For Somebody To Walk Me Through That Maze... WillyT Nov 2013 #13

ALL of us would not exist if our mothers had chosen abortion. Mariana Nov 2013 #60

My guess is that someone who was adopted feels that they had a "closer call". (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #66

i can relate to the "close call" aspect. if not for a miscarriage, i'd never have been born. dionysus Nov 2013 #94

Maybe. I was almost miscarried. But I was wanted and my mom made the effort to keep me. haele Nov 2013 #96

I saw that and chalked it up to ambivalence Warpy Nov 2013 #9

Perhaps I am dense, quite possible nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #10

I didn't see any shaming in the original post myself. aptal Nov 2013 #16

Guess y'all missed the subject of the OP boston bean Nov 2013 #19

Opening sentence: "I think the decision should 100% be up to the woman involved" IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #33

No they are not Ida. A pro choice stance is boston bean Nov 2013 #35

Pro-choice is that the woman decides. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #45

You are speaking for yourself. That is choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #48

You seem to be confused about the difference between OPINION and PRO CHOICE. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #51

I'm clear that stating persons should not have an abortion is no way boston bean Nov 2013 #54

We disagree. He votes pro choice. He is entitled to an opinion. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #59

His opinion is antithesis to pro choice and I find it objectionable. boston bean Nov 2013 #61

I disagree with yr opinion, BB... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #81

I disagree violet. boston bean Nov 2013 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Nov 2013 #75

Great Examples Captain Stern Nov 2013 #98

He said he felt "people (and by that he would arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #17

Don't Want To Be Insensitive, but that is what your doing isn't it? newcriminal Nov 2013 #18

If that's the case then so too was the poster of arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #53

That is NOT what the OP is doing HangOnKids Nov 2013 #73

Yes, it WAS what the OP was doing... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #76

I would like a world where people are not emotionally blackmailed... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #20

I am not following you. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #21

No E_B... I Take You As Earnest... It's Just That... WillyT Nov 2013 #29

People have a right to privacy - and I would never push my views on any individual woman el_bryanto Nov 2013 #30

Cool... WillyT Nov 2013 #38

So were you actually confused about my position or not? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #39

Nevermind... I Tried To Have A Real Dialogue... So I'll Just Leave You With This: WillyT Nov 2013 #47

You tried to have a real dialogue by calling me out el_bryanto Nov 2013 #50

Ah yes the I am confused by the confusion I made post HangOnKids Nov 2013 #74

This is a call-out, even though apparently allowed to stand. You could address the issue... Hekate Nov 2013 #36

Thank you, Hekate. It is a call out and a really needless, really NASTY one as well Number23 Nov 2013 #37

I alerted. newcriminal Nov 2013 #43

Well, that makes 3 of us, and it was 6-0 to let it stand. Hekate Nov 2013 #44

Alerts only "go through" once. jeff47 Nov 2013 #99

many seem like they DO want that hfojvt Nov 2013 #56

Sanctimony and purity tests are, alas, not limited to the GOP Hekate Nov 2013 #57

Callouts aren't against the rules CreekDog Nov 2013 #83

Yes, it is. Even though I like the OP...this is wrong. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #103

I've got no problem with their stance, but I do have a problem with yrs... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #71

+1 Go Vols Nov 2013 #113

I usually stay out of abortion threads ohheckyeah Nov 2013 #78

I think a woman should have the right to choose. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #79

Thank you for your support. idwiyo Nov 2013 #93

I think this is a miscue of logic on your part. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #91

The idea is the perception of an adoptee that they were more likely to be aborted Prism Nov 2013 #95

Nothing to do with purity tests. Everything to do with shaming and guilt-tripping. idwiyo Nov 2013 #114

"Shaming" is a meaningless millennial term Prism Nov 2013 #115

I don't give a fig what one thinks. I do care when they express their anti-choice thoughts idwiyo Nov 2013 #116

Here's an analogy I'll leave you with Prism Nov 2013 #117

Unfortunately for me, my so-called allies do not accept that my body belongs to me idwiyo Nov 2013 #119

We are allied against those people. Prism Nov 2013 #135

As I said already it's not my business what someone thinks. idwiyo Nov 2013 #149

A woman wins here by being able to make her own decision. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #101

Not really. Someone who knows they were adopted treestar Nov 2013 #105

I got slammed with that adoption scam yesterday! peace13 Nov 2013 #151