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108. Democrats who support GOPers are losers n/t

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12%. That's all. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

What you're saying makes sense..... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #1

Nobody is to blame on the Democratic side. It was an unwinnable race. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #9

Was it? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #13

That kind of mentality only made it a self-fulfilling prophecy. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #14

Reality is reality scheming daemons Nov 2013 #17

Some only follow the common herd. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #18

Human reality is the sum of human decisions. sibelian Nov 2013 #39

So the reality is "if you can't win endorse a Republican?" SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #69

not talking about those that endorsed a republican scheming daemons Nov 2013 #117

How about this, you can't win if you don't even try. Disgusting that Dems abandoned her. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #162

I guess rationalization is the key to your happiness. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #25

+1,000 Scuba Nov 2013 #42

X1000 bvar22 Nov 2013 #123

Really? Lancero Nov 2013 #26

true - se should never contest an unwinnable race - like Wellstone v. Coleman rurallib Nov 2013 #61

The Wellstone Coleman race was tight but never considered unwinnable. dflprincess Nov 2013 #178

Every race is winnable. She was betrayed by her own party, period. And it's not the first time this sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #80

Well, if we only work to win the easy races, Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #160

I Call Bunk! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #164

What kind of candidate was she? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #2

Buono didn't run a very good campaign Trekologer Nov 2013 #15

mainly due to his post-Sandy leadership (which I have to admit is somewhat deserved) ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #21

I said somewhat Trekologer Nov 2013 #23

Well said. SoapBox Nov 2013 #28

Thanks, facts can be inconvenient when the narrative is to excuse the inexcusable. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #82

SAY WHAT!? BillyRibs Nov 2013 #167

Uhhh... what? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #185

She did not lead the response to Hurricane Sandy. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #88

It appears so. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #96

Rarely do we see Manny and ProSense in full agreement. LAGC Nov 2013 #3

There was recently a hybrid-eclipse of the moon. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #33

It's a sign. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #46

Pretty sad that your voters are so weak-minded... brooklynite Nov 2013 #4

It's not hard to believe at all for anyone who has been paying attention to what has been sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #87

"..before we end up..." Too late..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #155

'Your voters'? Manny's voters are Democrats. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #94

Referring to "New Jersey" voters... brooklynite Nov 2013 #121

"that's all" ? that's a pretty big margin JI7 Nov 2013 #5

I agree they should have supported her and there is no excuse for what they did. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #6

She lost by 500,000 votes, manny scheming daemons Nov 2013 #7

whoops, it was 462,000 hfojvt Nov 2013 #16

Or for the 30% of Dems who voted for him to not have done so. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #31

What gets me is the ususal "party loyalty uber alles" suspects are soft peddling it big time Fumesucker Nov 2013 #8

That has me amazed, really. What rank hypocrisy. djean111 Nov 2013 #91

It is somethig to behold. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #97

They're simply followers - follow the leader at all costs. polichick Nov 2013 #115

+1,000,000 cui bono Nov 2013 #171

to heck with switching hfojvt Nov 2013 #10

You're bad at math too. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #11

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #19

You're walking straight past the point. sibelian Nov 2013 #40

I am at a loss to figure how what that poster is driving at. It rhett o rick Nov 2013 #130

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but you're right Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #12

For some reason the people really like Christie EOM tiredtoo Nov 2013 #20

for some reason... icarusxat Nov 2013 #177

Lydia, you are so spot on. SoapBox Nov 2013 #29

Maybe the powers that be want to see Christie in the Clown Car Parade? whttevrr Nov 2013 #22

If Christie survives the primary process and becomes the candidate in the general election tularetom Nov 2013 #24

If he does become the nominee, he'll have to LibDemAlways Nov 2013 #27

Was it some kind of zen move to pick the opponent for 2016? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #30

Those Democrats are paving the way for a Christie presidency. It's a crying shame. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #32

I have to agree here. This is a double-triple-quadruple sneaky-ass move Nay Nov 2013 #111

Love ya Manny, but Christy was a strategic move... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #34

with all due respect, you are wrong DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #38

He might well win at the national level. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #41

tea party already hates him scheming daemons Nov 2013 #45

Of course, he undermines their message... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #127

They'll come around. QuestForSense Nov 2013 #172

Yep DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #184

the manny's and willyt's have their hearts in the right place scheming daemons Nov 2013 #44

If only we could be really, really smart, like you. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #53

Yes, your crusade against Democrats who actually win national elections is most geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

The OP is a crusade against Democrats who support GOPers leftstreet Nov 2013 #95

Manny sees the 1992 era on as the downfall of the Democratic party. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #100

As do many of us. Those are DLC wins n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #102

Yes, a lot of DUers prefer losers to winners. Much easier to complain that way nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #105

Democrats who support GOPers are losers n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #108

Losers are people who lose nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #110

Manny wanted the 2008 election overturned... SidDithers Nov 2013 #107

He was right about 2012, as Obama getting re-elected must have been a bitter pill geek tragedy Nov 2013 #109

no kidding! when will enough be enough? dionysus Nov 2013 #120

pretty much tells me what his intentions are with these posts JI7 Nov 2013 #140

So is he saying that McCain should have won and not President Obama? Is that what that post says? Number23 Nov 2013 #141

Yup. That's exactly what it says... SidDithers Nov 2013 #148

Yeah, because it's all about "winning"... Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #125

It is all about winning. Losers are irrelevant, no matter how noble and principled they are nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #126

What good does it do us when "Democrats" win elections, Maedhros Nov 2013 #159

They're all the same if you ignore the differences. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #163

It goes back past Bush. Maedhros Nov 2013 #169

Bad policies have been enacted under every President in our history. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #176

It's time to stop accepting excuses. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #179

Of course. No one said Democrats don't need to improve. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #182

Chris Christie is not a moderate tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #118

Christie is no moderate on social issues dsc Nov 2013 #188

It kind of does have the stench of old Indy Joe. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #35

Kicked and recommended....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #36

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #37

I'd be very pleased to support MannyGoldstein for Chair of the Democratic Party. Scuba Nov 2013 #43

And I would second that nomination....n/t zeemike Nov 2013 #170

That's all? Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #47

If the DNC had spent a lot of money on this race, there would have been less money for VA. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #48

Yes. The party has to make decisions treestar Nov 2013 #66

And BTW, had just 10% of voters gone from Reagan to Mondale in 1984, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #49

You win the thread... SidDithers Nov 2013 #50

Didn't Mondale already have Democratic establishment support? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #52

My point is that you are characterizing a 22% victory margin as a close election. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #54

When a candidate's own party moons her, it counts for a lot MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #56

NJ politics is a cesspool ... national Dems were smart not to swim in it. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #51

Perhaps you can list some dumb things Dems have done in the past 5 years? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #60

Why? If I need to know today's reason to be angry at Democrats, I simply come to DU, JoePhilly Nov 2013 #67

If I need to see unfettered support of anything the Democrats do SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #70

Hey Sparky ... question ... What's the date of the last DU OP I have written? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #72

The guy who supports supporting Republicans says I should have a connection to "reality" SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #73

Where did I say I SUPPORT supporting Republcians? I do not. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #77

I didn't think you could. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #74

I could, I simply see no need. You have it MORE than covered. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #78

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #75

Nailed that one. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #165

That's a good point you made there. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #166

Whether Christie could have been defeated is open to question, MineralMan Nov 2013 #55

+1 - Great post. SUms up my feelings exactly n/t Fix The Stupid Nov 2013 #64

Thank you. It seems like the Dem party doesn't understand that "building Nay Nov 2013 #113

Excellent Points! MineralMan Nov 2013 #119

65% approval rating = re-election. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #57

"Even the President and other elected Democrats love him!" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #58

He didn't win because of local Democratic endorsements. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #62

NJ politics runs on favors. Always has. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #85

That's Obama's fault. By working with Christie after Sandy, Obama handed Christie a JoePhilly Nov 2013 #81

That's what this comes down to--the mirror image of the Republicans geek tragedy Nov 2013 #84

Good point. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #86

The kitchen sink should have been thrown at him NCTraveler Nov 2013 #63

At least we traditional Democrats know exactly where we stand now. Zorra Nov 2013 #65

Huge K&R. The wolves in our party have been unmasked. woo me with science Nov 2013 #68

The Very Serious People aren't remotely confused, they know exactly what they are doing Fumesucker Nov 2013 #83

I stand corrected. woo me with science Nov 2013 #99

Obama Congratulates Christie on Re-Election PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #71

Aww, how nice. Best buddies!! bigwillq Nov 2013 #112

Lieberdems, indeed. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #76

60-38=22 (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #79

Yes but you only have to switch half the 22% to the other candidate to turn the loser into a winner. PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #98

Third Way types get to be hypocrites. Rex Nov 2013 #89

Buono's problem is that a lot of liberals did switch sides. As did Latinos, African-Americans, geek tragedy Nov 2013 #92

People who vote for Republican are Republicans. Such people were never liberals. No liberal Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #101

At least you're focusing on the people responsible for Christie's win--voters. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #104

No they didn't. The DINOS and sensible centrists did Doctor_J Nov 2013 #132

My post must have rubbed him the wrong way. Rex Nov 2013 #135

32% of self-described liberals, 51% of Latinos, and 21% of African Americans geek tragedy Nov 2013 #137

30 percent of liberals voted for Christie , as did a significant number of just about all Dem voters JI7 Nov 2013 #138

Link? Rex Nov 2013 #139

here JI7 Nov 2013 #142

So they know how many liberals voted for him, but not moderates. Rex Nov 2013 #143

the point of the article was those that regularly vote Democratic JI7 Nov 2013 #146

!!! Number23 Nov 2013 #145

yes, similar to Arnold in California, and in the case of California the Dems JI7 Nov 2013 #149

Exactly right. There are few in this world that are idealogues and I think that's a damn good thing Number23 Nov 2013 #151

in this case JI7 Nov 2013 #153

+1 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #174

Hush Truth! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #175

Here's the thing though... Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #90

Christie had the "Giuliani Post-Disaster Effect." WinkyDink Nov 2013 #93

Then he could have won without Democratic support n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #103

It's why Democrats voted for him. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #150

12% is an enormous difference in an election. nt. Hosnon Nov 2013 #106

This is exactly why real change isn't likely to come through the Dem Party. polichick Nov 2013 #114

What I don't get is: Why don't we consolidate our message, and use EVERY election as an opportunity loudsue Nov 2013 #116

Maybe Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #122

"Way to go, Lieberdems!" bvar22 Nov 2013 #124

I swiped the term from someone on Daily Kos. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #128

That is a good term for them. DINOs is too nice. Rex Nov 2013 #144

That name libodem Nov 2013 #129

If only you were as good at actually getting liberals ELECTED as you are at laying blame, at least.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #131

"Hey, how many threads did you start asking your fellow DU'ers to moneybomb Buono's campaign?" Number23 Nov 2013 #147

It's frightening that this particular rant, if not on a "democratic" site, sounds exactly like.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #152

Liberals are *exactly* like the Tea Party of the Left MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #180

The Dem establishment HATE liberals. Our only function now is to act as scapegoats Doctor_J Nov 2013 #133

That is why I take moderates here that like to lecture others Rex Nov 2013 #136

The Democratic Governor's Association invested $6.5 million in VA race ProSense Nov 2013 #134

Personally; greiner3 Nov 2013 #154

if wishes were horses ellennelle Nov 2013 #156

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #157

"It's Chinatown, Jake ....." marble falls Nov 2013 #158

If all that investment had happened, he would have still won and looked even better coming out. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #161

I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler Nov 2013 #168

I hate that term "The Third Way" Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #173

FDR was a centrist? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #181

That's ridiculous. Most all support those ideas...but they are not dictators and try to get us as Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #187

In my experience, the so-called "centrists" are among the least loyal and principled voters... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #183

''Piscis a capite foetet.'' - K&R n/t DeSwiss Nov 2013 #186