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Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
12. I can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but you're right
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:19 AM
Nov 2013

One of the problems in American politics is that there are too many people who treat elections as if they were voting for homecoming queen. They want to vote for the person who is going to win.

Not the person they think would be best.
The person they think will win.

What if everyone voted for the person they really liked?

12%. That's all. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP
What you're saying makes sense..... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #1
Nobody is to blame on the Democratic side. It was an unwinnable race. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #9
Was it? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #13
That kind of mentality only made it a self-fulfilling prophecy. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #14
Reality is reality scheming daemons Nov 2013 #17
Some only follow the common herd. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #18
Human reality is the sum of human decisions. sibelian Nov 2013 #39
So the reality is "if you can't win endorse a Republican?" SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #69
not talking about those that endorsed a republican scheming daemons Nov 2013 #117
How about this, you can't win if you don't even try. Disgusting that Dems abandoned her. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #162
I guess rationalization is the key to your happiness. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #25
+1,000 Scuba Nov 2013 #42
X1000 bvar22 Nov 2013 #123
Really? Lancero Nov 2013 #26
true - se should never contest an unwinnable race - like Wellstone v. Coleman rurallib Nov 2013 #61
The Wellstone Coleman race was tight but never considered unwinnable. dflprincess Nov 2013 #178
Every race is winnable. She was betrayed by her own party, period. And it's not the first time this sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #80
Well, if we only work to win the easy races, Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #160
I Call Bunk! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #164
What kind of candidate was she? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #2
Buono didn't run a very good campaign Trekologer Nov 2013 #15
mainly due to his post-Sandy leadership (which I have to admit is somewhat deserved) ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #21
I said somewhat Trekologer Nov 2013 #23
Well said. SoapBox Nov 2013 #28
Thanks, facts can be inconvenient when the narrative is to excuse the inexcusable. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #82
SAY WHAT!? BillyRibs Nov 2013 #167
Uhhh... what? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #185
She did not lead the response to Hurricane Sandy. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #88
It appears so. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #96
Rarely do we see Manny and ProSense in full agreement. LAGC Nov 2013 #3
There was recently a hybrid-eclipse of the moon. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #33
It's a sign. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #46
Pretty sad that your voters are so weak-minded... brooklynite Nov 2013 #4
It's not hard to believe at all for anyone who has been paying attention to what has been sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #87
"..before we end up..." Too late..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #155
'Your voters'? Manny's voters are Democrats. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #94
Referring to "New Jersey" voters... brooklynite Nov 2013 #121
"that's all" ? that's a pretty big margin JI7 Nov 2013 #5
I agree they should have supported her and there is no excuse for what they did. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #6
She lost by 500,000 votes, manny scheming daemons Nov 2013 #7
whoops, it was 462,000 hfojvt Nov 2013 #16
Or for the 30% of Dems who voted for him to not have done so. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #31
What gets me is the ususal "party loyalty uber alles" suspects are soft peddling it big time Fumesucker Nov 2013 #8
That has me amazed, really. What rank hypocrisy. djean111 Nov 2013 #91
It is somethig to behold. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #97
They're simply followers - follow the leader at all costs. polichick Nov 2013 #115
+1,000,000 cui bono Nov 2013 #171
to heck with switching hfojvt Nov 2013 #10
You're bad at math too. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #19
You're walking straight past the point. sibelian Nov 2013 #40
I am at a loss to figure how what that poster is driving at. It rhett o rick Nov 2013 #130
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but you're right Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #12
For some reason the people really like Christie EOM tiredtoo Nov 2013 #20
for some reason... icarusxat Nov 2013 #177
Lydia, you are so spot on. SoapBox Nov 2013 #29
Maybe the powers that be want to see Christie in the Clown Car Parade? whttevrr Nov 2013 #22
If Christie survives the primary process and becomes the candidate in the general election tularetom Nov 2013 #24
If he does become the nominee, he'll have to LibDemAlways Nov 2013 #27
Was it some kind of zen move to pick the opponent for 2016? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #30
Those Democrats are paving the way for a Christie presidency. It's a crying shame. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #32
I have to agree here. This is a double-triple-quadruple sneaky-ass move Nay Nov 2013 #111
Love ya Manny, but Christy was a strategic move... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #34
with all due respect, you are wrong DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #38
He might well win at the national level. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #41
tea party already hates him scheming daemons Nov 2013 #45
Of course, he undermines their message... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #127
They'll come around. QuestForSense Nov 2013 #172
Yep DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #184
the manny's and willyt's have their hearts in the right place scheming daemons Nov 2013 #44
If only we could be really, really smart, like you. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #53
Yes, your crusade against Democrats who actually win national elections is most geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59
The OP is a crusade against Democrats who support GOPers leftstreet Nov 2013 #95
Manny sees the 1992 era on as the downfall of the Democratic party. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #100
As do many of us. Those are DLC wins n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #102
Yes, a lot of DUers prefer losers to winners. Much easier to complain that way nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #105
Democrats who support GOPers are losers n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #108
Losers are people who lose nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #110
Manny wanted the 2008 election overturned... SidDithers Nov 2013 #107
He was right about 2012, as Obama getting re-elected must have been a bitter pill geek tragedy Nov 2013 #109
no kidding! when will enough be enough? dionysus Nov 2013 #120
pretty much tells me what his intentions are with these posts JI7 Nov 2013 #140
So is he saying that McCain should have won and not President Obama? Is that what that post says? Number23 Nov 2013 #141
Yup. That's exactly what it says... SidDithers Nov 2013 #148
Yeah, because it's all about "winning"... Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #125
It is all about winning. Losers are irrelevant, no matter how noble and principled they are nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #126
What good does it do us when "Democrats" win elections, Maedhros Nov 2013 #159
They're all the same if you ignore the differences. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #163
It goes back past Bush. Maedhros Nov 2013 #169
Bad policies have been enacted under every President in our history. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #176
It's time to stop accepting excuses. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #179
Of course. No one said Democrats don't need to improve. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #182
Chris Christie is not a moderate tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #118
Christie is no moderate on social issues dsc Nov 2013 #188
It kind of does have the stench of old Indy Joe. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #35
Kicked and recommended....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #36
du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #37
I'd be very pleased to support MannyGoldstein for Chair of the Democratic Party. Scuba Nov 2013 #43
And I would second that nomination....n/t zeemike Nov 2013 #170
That's all? Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #47
If the DNC had spent a lot of money on this race, there would have been less money for VA. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #48
Yes. The party has to make decisions treestar Nov 2013 #66
And BTW, had just 10% of voters gone from Reagan to Mondale in 1984, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #49
You win the thread... SidDithers Nov 2013 #50
Didn't Mondale already have Democratic establishment support? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #52
My point is that you are characterizing a 22% victory margin as a close election. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #54
When a candidate's own party moons her, it counts for a lot MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #56
NJ politics is a cesspool ... national Dems were smart not to swim in it. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #51
Perhaps you can list some dumb things Dems have done in the past 5 years? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #60
Why? If I need to know today's reason to be angry at Democrats, I simply come to DU, JoePhilly Nov 2013 #67
If I need to see unfettered support of anything the Democrats do SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #70
Hey Sparky ... question ... What's the date of the last DU OP I have written? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #72
The guy who supports supporting Republicans says I should have a connection to "reality" SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #73
Where did I say I SUPPORT supporting Republcians? I do not. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #77
I didn't think you could. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #74
I could, I simply see no need. You have it MORE than covered. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #78
+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #75
Nailed that one. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #165
That's a good point you made there. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #166
Whether Christie could have been defeated is open to question, MineralMan Nov 2013 #55
+1 - Great post. SUms up my feelings exactly n/t Fix The Stupid Nov 2013 #64
Thank you. It seems like the Dem party doesn't understand that "building Nay Nov 2013 #113
Excellent Points! MineralMan Nov 2013 #119
65% approval rating = re-election. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #57
"Even the President and other elected Democrats love him!" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #58
He didn't win because of local Democratic endorsements. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #62
NJ politics runs on favors. Always has. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #85
That's Obama's fault. By working with Christie after Sandy, Obama handed Christie a JoePhilly Nov 2013 #81
That's what this comes down to--the mirror image of the Republicans geek tragedy Nov 2013 #84
Good point. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #86
The kitchen sink should have been thrown at him NCTraveler Nov 2013 #63
At least we traditional Democrats know exactly where we stand now. Zorra Nov 2013 #65
Huge K&R. The wolves in our party have been unmasked. woo me with science Nov 2013 #68
The Very Serious People aren't remotely confused, they know exactly what they are doing Fumesucker Nov 2013 #83
I stand corrected. woo me with science Nov 2013 #99
Obama Congratulates Christie on Re-Election PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #71
Aww, how nice. Best buddies!! bigwillq Nov 2013 #112
Lieberdems, indeed. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #76
60-38=22 (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #79
Yes but you only have to switch half the 22% to the other candidate to turn the loser into a winner. PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #98
Third Way types get to be hypocrites. Rex Nov 2013 #89
Buono's problem is that a lot of liberals did switch sides. As did Latinos, African-Americans, geek tragedy Nov 2013 #92
People who vote for Republican are Republicans. Such people were never liberals. No liberal Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #101
At least you're focusing on the people responsible for Christie's win--voters. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #104
No they didn't. The DINOS and sensible centrists did Doctor_J Nov 2013 #132
My post must have rubbed him the wrong way. Rex Nov 2013 #135
32% of self-described liberals, 51% of Latinos, and 21% of African Americans geek tragedy Nov 2013 #137
30 percent of liberals voted for Christie , as did a significant number of just about all Dem voters JI7 Nov 2013 #138
Link? Rex Nov 2013 #139
here JI7 Nov 2013 #142
So they know how many liberals voted for him, but not moderates. Rex Nov 2013 #143
the point of the article was those that regularly vote Democratic JI7 Nov 2013 #146
!!! Number23 Nov 2013 #145
yes, similar to Arnold in California, and in the case of California the Dems JI7 Nov 2013 #149
Exactly right. There are few in this world that are idealogues and I think that's a damn good thing Number23 Nov 2013 #151
in this case JI7 Nov 2013 #153
+1 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #174
Hush Truth! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #175
Here's the thing though... Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #90
Christie had the "Giuliani Post-Disaster Effect." WinkyDink Nov 2013 #93
Then he could have won without Democratic support n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #103
It's why Democrats voted for him. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #150
12% is an enormous difference in an election. nt. Hosnon Nov 2013 #106
This is exactly why real change isn't likely to come through the Dem Party. polichick Nov 2013 #114
What I don't get is: Why don't we consolidate our message, and use EVERY election as an opportunity loudsue Nov 2013 #116
Maybe Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #122
"Way to go, Lieberdems!" bvar22 Nov 2013 #124
I swiped the term from someone on Daily Kos. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #128
That is a good term for them. DINOs is too nice. Rex Nov 2013 #144
That name libodem Nov 2013 #129
If only you were as good at actually getting liberals ELECTED as you are at laying blame, at least.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #131
"Hey, how many threads did you start asking your fellow DU'ers to moneybomb Buono's campaign?" Number23 Nov 2013 #147
It's frightening that this particular rant, if not on a "democratic" site, sounds exactly like.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #152
Liberals are *exactly* like the Tea Party of the Left MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #180
The Dem establishment HATE liberals. Our only function now is to act as scapegoats Doctor_J Nov 2013 #133
That is why I take moderates here that like to lecture others Rex Nov 2013 #136
The Democratic Governor's Association invested $6.5 million in VA race ProSense Nov 2013 #134
Personally; greiner3 Nov 2013 #154
if wishes were horses ellennelle Nov 2013 #156
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #157
"It's Chinatown, Jake ....." marble falls Nov 2013 #158
If all that investment had happened, he would have still won and looked even better coming out. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #161
I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler Nov 2013 #168
I hate that term "The Third Way" Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #173
FDR was a centrist? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #181
That's ridiculous. Most all support those ideas...but they are not dictators and try to get us as Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #187
In my experience, the so-called "centrists" are among the least loyal and principled voters... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #183
''Piscis a capite foetet.'' - K&R n/t DeSwiss Nov 2013 #186
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