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OMG I hope not it's one of the things that makes the Democratic Party! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
No lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #2
that hardly constitutes as an answer. So why aren't dems loudly and clearly cali Nov 2013 #12
They aren't? Both Boxer and Feinstein always defends a woman's right to choose. Look at Virginia? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #28
Sometimes it feels like it -- along with other things they used to stand for. Brickbat Nov 2013 #3
They are so busy fighting for the One Percent now. woo me with science Nov 2013 #54
Personally I'll never give up on supporting a women's right to choos Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #4
On the federal level, it's a court issue. legislation is at the state level, geek tragedy Nov 2013 #5
No, our society as a whole has given up on women's rights etherealtruth Nov 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #29
I hope nothing kills you within the next ten years etherealtruth Nov 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #46
I can't believe your post got hidden! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #99
I know! One should not have to argue with people who don't think women can make Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #149
No woman here argues with women about their right to work as they please BainsBane Nov 2013 #231
Uh huh. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #232
It's very important for real Democrats here to choose their jury blacklist efficiently. Zorra Nov 2013 #182
How do you do that Zorra? pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2013 #228
Click on "My Account". On my screen view it is at the top right of the page. Zorra Nov 2013 #229
Thank you! pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2013 #230
It's shameful that your post was hidden. Whisp Nov 2013 #119
I can't believe it either. pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2013 #227
Wow, really bad hide. wtf jury?? Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #123
The jury system sucks. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #146
Why the hell was your post hidden? WTF is going on on DU? idwiyo Nov 2013 #156
Says a lot about DU doesn't it? laundry_queen Nov 2013 #161
I don't get it at all. WTF did jury see in that post that I can't see? idwiyo Nov 2013 #168
Where are the jury members who hid this post Generic Other Nov 2013 #164
I read through that post 4 times and I can't figure why the hell it was hidden? idwiyo Nov 2013 #169
If I were the admins, I'd be examining those 4 jury members very closely Zorra Nov 2013 #174
would like to say that I am surprised your post not only got alerted on, but hidden? but then, niyad Nov 2013 #165
porn says nothing of the sort leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #52
You really think pornography turns all men into violent monsters? Arkana Nov 2013 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #77
And I don't disagree that the industry isn't exactly respectful of women. Arkana Nov 2013 #79
Men who watch porn are part of the machinery of oppression. They're not feminists, but when it ancianita Nov 2013 #88
Odd, and here I thought this thread was about reproductive choice. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #101
I watched McKinnon and Dworkin rip into the Schlafly and Meese crowd, you revisionist. ancianita Nov 2013 #104
Right. And here was the main (only) anti-porn Presidential candidate of the last election cycle. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #114
January 22, 1986 Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #116
This event hardly proves your claim that she "palled" around with the Meese gang. She influenced. ancianita Nov 2013 #121
So did I. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #124
Fair point. I supported what was said upthread, that's all. You decided to take issue with me. I'll ancianita Nov 2013 #125
I can't speak to "churchy men", since I don't spend a lot of time in church. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #126
My closing statement about porn is that anyone who produces or consumes it is not a feminist. ancianita Nov 2013 #127
Then you're writing off a very large segment of the population, both men AND women. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #128
Yes, I probably am. It's a large, unconscious population stuck at a certain level of ego. ancianita Nov 2013 #131
Sure. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #133
In a sexist, financially and legally rigged game, worldwide, "consenting adults" is the ancianita Nov 2013 #136
And anti-choicers engage in similar mind-breaking pretzel semantics to argue that women aren't Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #140
I do understand that the basis of arguing 'capacity' arguments is based on the religious premise ancianita Nov 2013 #141
Perhaps, but the current trends defy that notion Major Nikon Nov 2013 #160
It's amazing, it only took 6 posts for this thread to go from pro-choice to pro-censorship Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #175
you are spouting very generalized radio-pop-psychology crap leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #96
I read "society" here as MEN. Women certainly are not angry about the gains they've made. ancianita Nov 2013 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #70
Paid tools of male dominated religions.They're put forward as representing millions when they don't ancianita Nov 2013 #86
What about OneCrazyDiamond Nov 2013 #71
What do you think about them. I think women see them as high visibility tools of patriarchal ancianita Nov 2013 #84
True BainsBane Nov 2013 #107
I think they are women. OneCrazyDiamond Nov 2013 #117
I see no attribution to anger in men generally. Domination uses all kinds of ways and means...anger ancianita Nov 2013 #122
my bad OneCrazyDiamond Nov 2013 #153
There exist female misogynists BainsBane Nov 2013 #106
I've met self-hating women who've internalized misogyny. But misogyny = women hate + power. ancianita Nov 2013 #129
Your point about power is important BainsBane Nov 2013 #135
I hear you. But you can't forget the constructs that empower them to get away with it. ancianita Nov 2013 #137
met? hell, some of them live here and are very comfortable. VERY COMFORTABLE. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #244
I know I've met one or two over the years. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #246
Looks like the 20 week ban is too popular to fight. Cannikin Nov 2013 #7
They'll use their opposition when its expedient leftstreet Nov 2013 #8
If it weren't for DU, I would be very underinformed on this issue Prism Nov 2013 #9
No, I don't think anyone has given up. HappyMe Nov 2013 #10
you miss my point. I don't see high profile dems being very visible cali Nov 2013 #13
Maybe because it's an individual state issue HappyMe Nov 2013 #18
You're right. Even though I've posted about TX several times on FB. Planned Parenthood is our last ancianita Nov 2013 #83
Nancy Pelosi Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #152
I certainly haven't given up! But the trends I see are discouraging indeed! calimary Nov 2013 #65
I have not contributed to any campaign fund in Texas. HappyMe Nov 2013 #80
I had a discussion Ten years ago with a female friend from VT... adirondacker Nov 2013 #11
There is less interest when it's a state issue LittleBlue Nov 2013 #14
The Republicans played this very smart. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #15
As a believer in playing 'the long game' of politics, I very much appreciate your outlook on this. ancianita Nov 2013 #92
women issues constitute the one "culture war" area that we've given up on nashville_brook Nov 2013 #16
+1 redqueen Nov 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #47
Part of the problem is that pro-choice people in blue states don't see an issue. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #120
Which (I hope) will help turn Texas blue even faster. But in the meantime...? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #177
I agree. I think a 50 state strategy is needed on a lot of things. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #179
If we can't get things done on the federal level, then some sort of end-around play is needed. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #181
Wall Street Dems are afraid fredamae Nov 2013 #17
No. That would be the Republicans, Cali. tridim Nov 2013 #19
But as usual, the Dems aren't fighting them hard enough. And going along to get along nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #178
Abortion is such a divisive issue leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #20
it's acceptable to spout anti choice comments here on DU as long as it's infrequent and respectful. boston bean Nov 2013 #21
Reproductive choice is a part of party platform. Being against gay marriage here is bannable, PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #24
Why should DU ever be a comfortable place to post anti choice sentiment? boston bean Nov 2013 #26
amen PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27
Agreed etherealtruth Nov 2013 #36
So is recognition of the 2nd amend as an individual right ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #49
A) really fucking stupid comparison. B) you should look closer. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #67
That's what I thought oldhippie Nov 2013 #68
Extreme fringe leftwingers aren't welcome here Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #33
I'm not long for this place, check out ATA. I am beyond discouraged, and I just don't boston bean Nov 2013 #35
I have, and I'm debating whether I want to stick any longer. n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #40
see this: boston bean Nov 2013 #42
Sorry, but I can see why that was hidden. HappyMe Nov 2013 #62
in your opinion. Glad to know it. boston bean Nov 2013 #90
It may be time for a self-imposed break ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #53
You're reasoning would never be the reason if I decided to take a break. boston bean Nov 2013 #55
I'm pretty sure that bostonbean doesn't need to be told she's too emotional Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #58
And, of course, no man ever gets emotional over anything ....... oldhippie Nov 2013 #59
Please point to your posts on DU telling men that they're too emotionally involved on a topic. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #66
Nope. Can't. Haven't told any women that, either .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #74
Okay, so link to the posts where you've told men they may be too emotionally involved. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #75
Nope. Sorry ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #78
+1. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #60
I'm with you. There is no point. The difference between how minority and gay rights Squinch Nov 2013 #132
If you want a primer on how well gay rights are respected, do a search on Chelsea Manning. idwiyo Nov 2013 #143
There were many members PPRd during that time BainsBane Nov 2013 #247
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #43
Yes. I am also very distressed by this phenomenon, and I think many other DU women are as well. Zorra Nov 2013 #89
I agree with everything you said. It's disheartening. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #91
I agree with you, too. ancianita Nov 2013 #93
Excellent! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #98
I agree with you also. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #163
well said Zorra, I agree that DU has a shameful record when it comes to supporting choice. bettyellen Nov 2013 #220
Yeah, but you know, women are really just incubators with legs. Nothing else. idwiyo Nov 2013 #144
Well, the DU poster in question identifies herself as "extreme leftwing"---- msanthrope Nov 2013 #145
I'm not talking about specific posters, just specific viewpoints. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #154
Anti-gay rights posters are (rightly) banned but anti-women's rights posters Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #41
It is quite disturbing etherealtruth Nov 2013 #45
If that was true, half of DU would be banned. I frequently see the 'gay marriage is unthinkable' Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #159
Blue it is spelled out in the TOS. boston bean Nov 2013 #184
The important thing, either way, is there are too many assholes and idiots around here nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #186
IMO, anti-choicers have no business posting here. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #44
Can't wait till another forced-birther "respectfully" calls me a murderer! idwiyo Nov 2013 #82
Just a matter of time. Because you know, they're welcomed here. Squinch Nov 2013 #130
Yep. It's a biiiiiiiiiig tent! idwiyo Nov 2013 #142
Did someone (and not a troll) *actually* say that to you on this website??? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #183
Directly to me, no (or not yet). Indirectly, Yes. idwiyo Nov 2013 #249
Shouldn't be put up with here. I agree. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #250
Well, according to Skinner, as long as forced-birther is "polite" about it, it's OK. idwiyo Nov 2013 #251
Way too tolerated around here. I absolutely agree with you. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #180
Too many women (and men) have no clue what an end to abortion rights kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #22
You're right. They're not stopping there. This 20+ week ban is their foot in the door. ancianita Nov 2013 #97
"Nancy Pelosi Speaks Out On Texas Abortion Law" frazzled Nov 2013 #23
I think the issue could be nationalized wercal Nov 2013 #31
Thanks for this maddezmom Nov 2013 #38
Thanks, frazzled KellyGofAL Nov 2013 #56
welcome to DU. sadly, the thousands of little blue-red battles ARE important, because they are niyad Nov 2013 #167
+100 freshwest Nov 2013 #252
More have to get involved earlier in Dem races . . . DanM Nov 2013 #25
The GOP strategy has been local wercal Nov 2013 #30
No one I know of is really arguing in favor of unrestricted third-trimester abortion. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #185
I fear that many have. Democratic issues must always be in a state of litigation., while SoCalDem Nov 2013 #34
Dem leaders drop anything that RepubliCons scream over... polichick Nov 2013 #37
+1 jsr Nov 2013 #157
I felt that men were not to have an say in MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #48
You can have any opinion you want... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #187
Well MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #191
Suppose the OP were re-phrased as "Democrats haven't stood up to Republicans enough nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #195
Sure but I don't need prodding MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #197
Fair enough... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #198
This is the limit of what our system can do. DireStrike Nov 2013 #51
Yes. tsuki Nov 2013 #57
no ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #63
I hate to say it BillyRibs Nov 2013 #64
Yes, why aren't we and the Congress' women demanding more visibility on women's problems? ancianita Nov 2013 #69
Come on cali. You should know by now that DU is not the place to discuss issues. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #72
Hey... don't ask me! AlbertCat Nov 2013 #76
-1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #188
It goes both ways though mythology Nov 2013 #202
I'd say Yes. Looks like without anti-choicers, also known as forced-birthers, idwiyo Nov 2013 #81
Well, they are scared of the Theocrats get the red out Nov 2013 #85
Those with religious beliefs make up a vast majority of the nation, and thus the voters Savannahmann Nov 2013 #95
I am one of those with "beliefs" get the red out Nov 2013 #100
So, you don't believe that "Women have the right to make their own choices regarding Zorra Nov 2013 #110
First, I don't agree with the ideas of the people I mention. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #118
See, we differ here. Years ago, when I was still a bit naive about conservatives, Zorra Nov 2013 #138
Everyone who pulls the lever for an (R) Candidate doesn't think that way. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #148
I won't go there anymore. I only discuss politics with Leftists or Independents. Zorra Nov 2013 #151
It is impossible to arrive to an agreement with authoritarian fanatics (religious or not). idwiyo Nov 2013 #225
They're outnumbered and too relentlessly embattled. They need more male feminist help. ancianita Nov 2013 #87
I think it's partly complacency Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #94
Not this Democrat. MineralMan Nov 2013 #102
No. Most Americans are pro-choice. However, when a Democrat is in the WH people get complacent, I've Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #103
I think most Americans know which party is more likely to defend a woman's right to choose. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #105
IF that were to happen, the Democratic Party would have no soul Rex Nov 2013 #108
It's not a discussion one can have here, really. closeupready Nov 2013 #109
It really isn't that big of an issue anymore. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #111
This x 1000. closeupready Nov 2013 #113
I think a lot of young people, kiva Nov 2013 #112
We spend a lot of time on fringe issues and fighting each other fried eggs Nov 2013 #115
If DU is any indication, the answer is "yes." Democrats have given up. Squinch Nov 2013 #134
I haven't. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #139
+1 grantcart Nov 2013 #213
Apparently so ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #147
I am pro choice. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #150
I'm pro-choice. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #155
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #158
For many people who are truly pro-life, abortion is not an easy issue. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #162
I don't see people insisting that you are imagining the grey. What I see is people saying this: Squinch Nov 2013 #170
If you don't see it, then you are not reading very carefully. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #196
We don't need to reach an agreement on anything other than that you don't have the right Squinch Nov 2013 #203
The position which is intellectually dishonest Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #205
This is precisely why YOU can't decide for me. Squinch Nov 2013 #206
The problem is, it isn't semantics Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #208
Your psychological interpretation of their word choice is irrelevant. Squinch Nov 2013 #211
it's that you are imagining that there is universal agreement with you on this- and youre wrong. bettyellen Nov 2013 #221
Bollocks. There are no damn "shades of gray" for me. Forced-birthers are called that for a reason. idwiyo Nov 2013 #171
+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #189
I am on the bone marrow registry, Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #194
Zero adopted unwanted childern, zero fostered, zero homeless single parents living in your house. idwiyo Nov 2013 #215
Try reading my initial post. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #236
"we don't join discussions here" JTFrog Nov 2013 #239
It is sad how many are anti-choice Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #241
Will you take personal responsibility? Would you put a gun to the head of a young woman Zorra Nov 2013 #172
Try a little reading comprehension. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #193
No. Precisely because of responses like YOURS we can't have a discussion here. Squinch Nov 2013 #204
Sorry - Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #207
Sorry, but whether you "buy" what I am saying or not is completely immaterial. Squinch Nov 2013 #210
What discussion? It is a CLUMP of CELLS to me, it is MY body, MY choice. I don't force my choice idwiyo Nov 2013 #217
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN, HAVING TO DEFEND THE PRO-CHOICE POSITION! Squinch Nov 2013 #238
+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #216
And the way to reconcile the shades of grey is to leave the decision making up to the person Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #176
+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #190
I was responding to the question of why Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #192
Hey, as long as you aren't trying to infringe upon anyone else's right to reproductive choice nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #199
Is there a reason you assume I haven't been? Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #209
No, you're right that I shouldn't assume. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #212
Never mind "rare" is pure bulshit. Lots of women use vacuum aspiration once a month to control idwiyo Nov 2013 #218
Maybe I shouldn't ask, but I'm curious - how exactly does one do that ("vaccum aspiration")? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #233
It very much depends. I did it at the clinic but it is possible to do DIY. idwiyo Nov 2013 #245
Very interesting. Thanks for the links. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #248
And that is precisely my problem with black and white thinking. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #237
Who is making any woman get an abortion. boston bean Nov 2013 #201
And yet, the vast majority of abortions take place in the first trimester. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #214
+1 and Thank You! Well said. idwiyo Nov 2013 #219
By no means, feel welcome to discuss what it means as apllied to YOU ONLY. idwiyo Nov 2013 #222
sadly, it seems that the answer is yes. niyad Nov 2013 #166
Both DU and the Democratic Party should be strongly pro-choice steve2470 Nov 2013 #173
Abortion opponents are very, very motivated voters. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #200
Yep, along with about everything else but the next election. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #223
I noticed in grad school most of the undergrads I knew didn't make it "their issue" Recursion Nov 2013 #224
unfuckingbelievable LIberalLoners post was hidden! pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2013 #226
no they haven't. got it? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #234
I haven't given up on a woman's right to have an abortion. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #235
I haven't either. It is my "one issue" voting standard. hamsterjill Nov 2013 #242
I've never voted for someone who is against a woman's right to choose. I never will. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #243
The abortion battle has largely shifted to the courts and the states Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #240
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