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Wed Oct 9, 2013, 03:03 PM

142. could not disagree more!

Republicans planned this shutdown months ago!

Republicans have been disenfranchising older and darker Americans for years!

They're incredibly organized and methodical!

They plan long term.

Dems plan once every 4 years.

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143 replies	Author	Time	Post
Question for those callling the shutdown an act of sedition [View all]	onenote	Oct 2013	OP
Thinking about long term consequences is defending the fascists.	NuclearDem	Oct 2013	#1
They never think that far.	Puzzledtraveller	Oct 2013	#2
Rigghhtt....	Katashi_itto	Oct 2013	#133
could not disagree more!	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Oct 2013	#142
Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#3
That is blackmail plain and simple	madokie	Oct 2013	#141
Republicans need to vote to reopen the Government so	ProSense	Oct 2013	#4
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage.	randome	Oct 2013	#5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#8
Not raising the debt limit isn't default.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#12
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#55
You can't spend new money if it exceeds the DL -- hence the term.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#63
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#64
No it's not, that's why we're in shutdown.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#66
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#69
yes. Question can they raise the debt ceiling without a budget?	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#70
Of course ....	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#80
Yes, that's how it's actually done but	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#83
Ok, thanks	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#96
Ok, thanks	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#98
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2013	#16
We will see soon enough	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#57
I stand with the Fourteenth Amendment solution.	truedelphi	Oct 2013	#86
Actually, they're not	ProSense	Oct 2013	#59
All of which may be true. None of which is illegal.	onenote	Oct 2013	#60
No,	ProSense	Oct 2013	#76
No.	onenote	Oct 2013	#93
I didn't say	ProSense	Oct 2013	#97
Yes and no.	onenote	Oct 2013	#108
Here's what happened.	ProSense	Oct 2013	#111
The Senate did not pass a bill that had been passed by the House	onenote	Oct 2013	#114
You are wrong.	ProSense	Oct 2013	#118
Huh? Are you saying the House and Senate passed the exact same bill?	onenote	Oct 2013	#119
So	ProSense	Oct 2013	#121
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way?	onenote	Oct 2013	#122
No,	ProSense	Oct 2013	#124
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true.	onenote	Oct 2013	#125
Apparently	ProSense	Oct 2013	#126
ProSense, how can you continue to say .....	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#127
Such bills	ProSense	Oct 2013	#129
How can you say ..........	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#132
OMG, you jumped into the discussion, and I mistook you for the other poster	ProSense	Oct 2013	#134
And also .......	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#128
Right, but the differences are hashed out in conference. n/t	ProSense	Oct 2013	#135
No, wrong. They are not ......	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#137
Good grief	ProSense	Oct 2013	#138
It depends on what the definition of "ARE" is .......	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#140
If the House and Senate don't pass the same bill it doesn't become law.	onenote	Oct 2013	#131
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..."	ProSense	Oct 2013	#136
"What do you think should happen..."	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#139
what do I think should happen?	onenote	Oct 2013	#143
If Republicans are actively destroying the already damaged U.S. economy	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#6
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#10
Isn't that what the Republicans are doing?	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#13
I must have missed the arms then.	NuclearDem	Oct 2013	#14
Well, they are subverting the constituational process	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#17
After that stretch, I'm ready to go work out.	NuclearDem	Oct 2013	#21
Have a good workout.	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#23
Except they aren't subverting the process	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#24
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you?	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#30
Me thinks your true colors are starting to show.	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#31
What part of what I worte was untrue and how was it untrue?	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#33
First of all, not raising the debt ceiling WILL CAUSE US TO DEFAULT	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#40
See my example in post 41	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#44
Why not endorse that?	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#49
"Because it sets a bad precedent"	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#51
Not a hypocrite	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#54
Nobody has a gun to your head.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#65
A metaphorical gun	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#74
"that dissent has to be within the proper framework."	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#82
I don't give a fuck what happened decades ago	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#95
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#100
Post removed	Post removed	Oct 2013	#105
You're running around here throwing f-bombs left, right and center	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#112
no it won't	Niceguy1	Oct 2013	#67
Okay then, fine	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#72
not progressive.	Niceguy1	Oct 2013	#73
Fuck balanced budgets	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#75
I was referring to	Niceguy1	Oct 2013	#78
It's the Republicans, and ONLY THE REPUBLICANS	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#92
We shouldn't give in.	onenote	Oct 2013	#103
So what about being in violation of the 14th amendment?	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#106
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit)	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#77
"my idea may not sound progressive "	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#84
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#102
So by restoring the government and constitutional law	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#109
None of your complaints have any bearing on the Constitution.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#113
How does endimg the government shutdown by executive fiat	onenote	Oct 2013	#115
Oh and on a final note	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#79
fair to the	Niceguy1	Oct 2013	#81
Sorry about the poor	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#90
If you deny them services do they get to keep their revenue?	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#85
Sure.	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#89
what makes you think arms are required?	demwing	Oct 2013	#110
They aren't having anyone arrested by armed personnel	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#19
No, they're just letting them starve and killing their futures	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#22
Crime by abstraction doesn't count	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#26
No, that's a really stupid comparison. n/t	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#27
It's pretty much what the "It's TREASON!" crowd is arguing.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#32
The 14th amendment:	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#36
Insurrection requires armed force. You're the only advocating that.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#41
We're not talking about your new Xbox One here, sonnyboy	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#46
I swear I can see spittle flecks on your monitor.	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#50
That's your own monitor you're looking at, not mine	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#52
So you would subvert the Constitution.	onenote	Oct 2013	#61
Given that the Consittution is already subverted	Downtown Hound	Oct 2013	#71
Ermagerd	alcibiades_mystery	Oct 2013	#7
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed.	onenote	Oct 2013	#62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#9
"Bad! Bad Republicans!"	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#11
LOL.	Ranchemp.	Oct 2013	#18
2014	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#58
Exactly. GOTV 2014	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#120
I think you mean "censure"	onenote	Oct 2013	#88
Thank-you	lostincalifornia	Oct 2013	#104
How well did the Aliens and Sedition Acts work out for Adams?	Abq_Sarah	Oct 2013	#15
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2013	#20
is your name Johnny?	Pretzel_Warrior	Oct 2013	#28
:drumroll:	Rex	Oct 2013	#39
Pretty simple, actually .....	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#29
And the war will be over by Christmas!	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#34
Who wins? nt	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#43
Syria	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2013	#45
How's that? Its' fabulous	onenote	Oct 2013	#101
I though that was pretty good ....	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#107
You don't get to jail your political enemies because they do stupid things.	Arkana	Oct 2013	#35
I'm not going to shut someone down for saying it.	BluegrassStateBlues	Oct 2013	#37
Since when did we start living by minority rule in Congress?	Rex	Oct 2013	#38
Minority rule became the law inside the US House of Reps,	truedelphi	Oct 2013	#87
There has always been an element of minority rule.	onenote	Oct 2013	#99
So your argument is going to be right no matter what anyone says.	Rex	Oct 2013	#116
Cut It Out!	BKH70041	Oct 2013	#42
^^ Best Comment Yet! ^^ nt	oldhippie	Oct 2013	#47
Relax,	BluegrassStateBlues	Oct 2013	#48
You are using logic	Kelvin Mace	Oct 2013	#53
Defaulting and shutdowns shouldn't be an option for ANY party	ecstatic	Oct 2013	#56
Then the Constitution should be amended to change how the government is funded	onenote	Oct 2013	#94
NDAA has a provision for dealing with enemy combatants ...	GeorgeGist	Oct 2013	#117
Are you suggesting the president declare the GOP as enemy combatants	Ranchemp.	Oct 2013	#123
Hey, it's not dictatorship if YOU support him!	dairydog91	Oct 2013	#130

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