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In reply to the discussion: Sedition is against the law [View all]dairydog91
(951 posts)211. Sigh.
You may pass any law which the Constitution authorizes you to pass. You may not pass any law which the Constitution forbids you to pass. Any law which the Constitution forbids you to pass is unenforceable in courts of the United States. An application of an otherwise valid law which is in conflict with the constitution is invalid, even if the rest of the law is enforceable.
You've passed from arguing a highly questionable interpretation of the PATRIOT Act to showing a complete lack of understanding of one of the most basic points of American constitutional law. This is not a debatable point. If applying the PATRIOT Act would be unconstitutional in this context, then the law cannot be applied.
I would support indicting any politician who willfully derailed an economy for their own sense of pride.
I would support any politician that went after the former with any legal means possible to bring that interloper to justice: even if it means setting a precedent.
There are no legal means, short of amending the Constitution.
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All of which raises the question as to whether constitutionally-elected officials can commit acts
indepat
Oct 2013
#204
The president sure as hell can if unrelated garbage (extortion) is attached thereto
indepat
Oct 2013
#238
what if that default occurs because the President vetoes a debt ceiling extension
onenote
Oct 2013
#240
Remember when all those anti-war groups tried to FORCE and end to the war?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#46
We "Forced" the administration to listen to our demands. Covered under free speech from what I know.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#79
Congress can de-fund any law. There is no requirement they fund a program or war.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#80
How about they just do what is good for the country and quit pissing around?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#99
You have GOT to be on the other side. You blast MY dissension and defend theirs.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#223
NO - What is different are people like the Koch Brothers being SO close to OWNING the Government.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#108
I'm talking about specific, behavior not a broad swath and McCarthy like persecution.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#219
Says the guy who had 12 of the 78 posts before I ever got in on the discussion.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#220
They don't get to decide because congresscritters cannot be arrested and tried
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#49
You still can't have congresscritters arrested and tried every time you want something
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#60
There IS room in this law, you are just taking ONE word and defending their abuse of the process.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#118
Are you so young that you don't remember White Water, Impeachment and Special Prosecutor Ken Starr?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#221
So did Bill Clinton commit "sedition" when he vetoed a CR and "forced" a shutdown?
onenote
Oct 2013
#153
NO. He didn't premeditatively PLAN to use it as a tool and the veto is his right.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#228
Post title is false equivilancy. Post 35 doesn't define force-says let judges not a DU poster decide
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#226
DEFINITION OF FORCE - VERB #2 Make (someone) do something against their will.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#72
This Government was SHUT DOWN by force of willfulness of the extremists in Congress.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#75
For the umpteenth time, abusing the power of the purse to exploit a completely arbitrary concept
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#84
According to your post you're inciting sedition against the lawful authority of congress.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#139
Asking that people stop seditious behavior is sedition. Pointing out racisim is racist.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#224
They are using their constitutional authority no differently than previous congresses
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#235
Yes, every one of these who are trying to scuttle Obamabcare are also advocating NO Gun Control.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#105
The Sedition Act is no longer law, and it's almost certainly unconstitutional.
dairydog91
Oct 2013
#88
Look, dear, ONLY when people take it to the exteme where it could actually topple the Government.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#225
And advocating jailing political opponents is against everything a liberal should stand for.
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#3
Pretending a crime isn't a crime just because the perpetrator is your political opponent isn't, no
LaydeeBug
Oct 2013
#48
Someone breaks the law, they break the law. Sedition is against the law in it's current form.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#103
The bottom line is that no one in any position of authority is even talking sedition.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#112
Listen 63 posts, stupid is just their act. They are a well organized wrecking crew.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#115
You're new, maybe you don't know a lot of the history we've discussed here.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#120
Sure, 2014 is a given as long as we have enough Election Judges to watch for tampering.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#125
If you don't like them, don't read them. No one here is holding a gun to your head. nt
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#111
WHAT personal gain? Preventing elected officials from abusing their power is our obligation.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#128
Clearly the republicans should be allowed to run the economy into the ditch...again.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#24
Conspiring to destroy an economy by shutting down the country is what criminals would do.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#28
The OP is trying to claim that they are guilty of sedition and should be jailed.
GreenStormCloud
Oct 2013
#30
The only solution being put forward by the GOP is either suspend ACA or the economy gets it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#70
Right, didn't everyone here want the CEO Bailout Queens to go to jail for their crimes?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#230
I DO NOT have the Liberty to SHUT DOWN the Government. It's NO ONE's God given right.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#113
Yep. The Constitution protects us from stupid interpretations of the sedition law by courts
onenote
Oct 2013
#33
That law should be repealed. It's been used as a political cudgel far too often.
MNBrewer
Oct 2013
#31
The reason I think this discussion is important is because this is an INSIDE job.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#119
And the reason it's so hard to prosecute is because sedition laws have been abused time and again.
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#171
And those claiming the moral high ground shouldn't be standing in quick sand when they do it. nt
LaydeeBug
Oct 2013
#52
When you start calling fellow DU posters "ignorant" you lose all creditability. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#62
I don't know. Seems like ignoring ignorance would be more damaging to one's credibility.
onenote
Oct 2013
#63
I feel that educating the ignorant is positive. Ignoring the ignorant is sometimes
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#64
I agree the idea promoted by the OP isnt a good idea. I dont mind if the idea
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#67
Seeing how there appears to be enough DEM/GOP votes for a clean CR, but that the GOP leadership
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#71
We will have no moral high ground if the economy tanks and it could have been prevented.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#78
And what? Send the U.S. Marshal's in to arrest the repubs whom you deem to be committing
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#161
I love all the new posters here all of a sudden with the concernz for doing absolutely nothing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#163
That's right, I'm on record doing it within the constraints of the Constitution,
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#179
My suggestion was to pin the GOP as financial terrorists, and go from there
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#181
I have an idea for you. Do nothing. Consider nothing. That is about your speed.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#194
And yet you want to use it in an unconstitutional way to get back at political opponents.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#199
"And yet you want to use it in an unconstitutional way..." Sauce for the Goose.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#206
I'm already on record as doing something within the constraints of the Constitution,
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#202
Good luck voting next year. Maybe the GOP will shut down government again right before the election.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#208
Yes, you should. Arresting politicians acting lawfully within their constitutional purview
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#193
Go subverting the constitution by criminalizing political dissent and it will fall apart
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#201
It's a fairly basic point of American law that the Constitution trumps ANY federal law.
dairydog91
Oct 2013
#209
What the tea bag group is doing might not be sedition or illegal. But, if they never back down,
ladjf
Oct 2013
#109
If the Dems capitulate every time the pubs pull this stunt, then there will ultimately have the
ladjf
Oct 2013
#151
That may be true but each side is still maintaining the stalemate for their own policial agenda
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#152
Since Congress is who decides what the law is in the first place, this is kind of silly (nt)
Recursion
Oct 2013
#143
It isn't just "NOT" voting that is seditious. Heck that's passive resistance DEMS are all over that.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#231