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In reply to the discussion: Sedition is against the law [View all]grasswire
(50,130 posts)114. this is not a "failure to pass legislation"
This is an act of extortion that subverts our democratic processes.
This is using the budget as a bludgeon to defund a law that was passed by Congress, signed by the POTUS, affirmed by SCOTUS.
The proper remedy to scuttle a law is to bring IT anew, for a vote. Not use the faith and credit of the United States as a bludgeon.
Not a "failure to pass legislation"
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All of which raises the question as to whether constitutionally-elected officials can commit acts
indepat
Oct 2013
#204
The president sure as hell can if unrelated garbage (extortion) is attached thereto
indepat
Oct 2013
#238
what if that default occurs because the President vetoes a debt ceiling extension
onenote
Oct 2013
#240
Remember when all those anti-war groups tried to FORCE and end to the war?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#46
We "Forced" the administration to listen to our demands. Covered under free speech from what I know.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#79
Congress can de-fund any law. There is no requirement they fund a program or war.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#80
How about they just do what is good for the country and quit pissing around?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#99
You have GOT to be on the other side. You blast MY dissension and defend theirs.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#223
NO - What is different are people like the Koch Brothers being SO close to OWNING the Government.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#108
I'm talking about specific, behavior not a broad swath and McCarthy like persecution.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#219
Says the guy who had 12 of the 78 posts before I ever got in on the discussion.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#220
They don't get to decide because congresscritters cannot be arrested and tried
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#49
You still can't have congresscritters arrested and tried every time you want something
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#60
There IS room in this law, you are just taking ONE word and defending their abuse of the process.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#118
Are you so young that you don't remember White Water, Impeachment and Special Prosecutor Ken Starr?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#221
So did Bill Clinton commit "sedition" when he vetoed a CR and "forced" a shutdown?
onenote
Oct 2013
#153
NO. He didn't premeditatively PLAN to use it as a tool and the veto is his right.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#228
Post title is false equivilancy. Post 35 doesn't define force-says let judges not a DU poster decide
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#226
DEFINITION OF FORCE - VERB #2 Make (someone) do something against their will.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#72
This Government was SHUT DOWN by force of willfulness of the extremists in Congress.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#75
For the umpteenth time, abusing the power of the purse to exploit a completely arbitrary concept
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#84
According to your post you're inciting sedition against the lawful authority of congress.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#139
Asking that people stop seditious behavior is sedition. Pointing out racisim is racist.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#224
They are using their constitutional authority no differently than previous congresses
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#235
Yes, every one of these who are trying to scuttle Obamabcare are also advocating NO Gun Control.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#105
The Sedition Act is no longer law, and it's almost certainly unconstitutional.
dairydog91
Oct 2013
#88
Look, dear, ONLY when people take it to the exteme where it could actually topple the Government.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#225
And advocating jailing political opponents is against everything a liberal should stand for.
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#3
Pretending a crime isn't a crime just because the perpetrator is your political opponent isn't, no
LaydeeBug
Oct 2013
#48
Someone breaks the law, they break the law. Sedition is against the law in it's current form.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#103
The bottom line is that no one in any position of authority is even talking sedition.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#112
Listen 63 posts, stupid is just their act. They are a well organized wrecking crew.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#115
You're new, maybe you don't know a lot of the history we've discussed here.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#120
Sure, 2014 is a given as long as we have enough Election Judges to watch for tampering.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#125
If you don't like them, don't read them. No one here is holding a gun to your head. nt
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#111
WHAT personal gain? Preventing elected officials from abusing their power is our obligation.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#128
Clearly the republicans should be allowed to run the economy into the ditch...again.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#24
Conspiring to destroy an economy by shutting down the country is what criminals would do.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#28
The OP is trying to claim that they are guilty of sedition and should be jailed.
GreenStormCloud
Oct 2013
#30
The only solution being put forward by the GOP is either suspend ACA or the economy gets it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#70
Right, didn't everyone here want the CEO Bailout Queens to go to jail for their crimes?
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#230
I DO NOT have the Liberty to SHUT DOWN the Government. It's NO ONE's God given right.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#113
Yep. The Constitution protects us from stupid interpretations of the sedition law by courts
onenote
Oct 2013
#33
That law should be repealed. It's been used as a political cudgel far too often.
MNBrewer
Oct 2013
#31
The reason I think this discussion is important is because this is an INSIDE job.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#119
And the reason it's so hard to prosecute is because sedition laws have been abused time and again.
NuclearDem
Oct 2013
#171
And those claiming the moral high ground shouldn't be standing in quick sand when they do it. nt
LaydeeBug
Oct 2013
#52
When you start calling fellow DU posters "ignorant" you lose all creditability. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#62
I don't know. Seems like ignoring ignorance would be more damaging to one's credibility.
onenote
Oct 2013
#63
I feel that educating the ignorant is positive. Ignoring the ignorant is sometimes
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#64
I agree the idea promoted by the OP isnt a good idea. I dont mind if the idea
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#67
Seeing how there appears to be enough DEM/GOP votes for a clean CR, but that the GOP leadership
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#71
We will have no moral high ground if the economy tanks and it could have been prevented.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#78
And what? Send the U.S. Marshal's in to arrest the repubs whom you deem to be committing
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#161
I love all the new posters here all of a sudden with the concernz for doing absolutely nothing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#163
That's right, I'm on record doing it within the constraints of the Constitution,
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#179
My suggestion was to pin the GOP as financial terrorists, and go from there
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#181
I have an idea for you. Do nothing. Consider nothing. That is about your speed.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#194
And yet you want to use it in an unconstitutional way to get back at political opponents.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#199
"And yet you want to use it in an unconstitutional way..." Sauce for the Goose.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#206
I'm already on record as doing something within the constraints of the Constitution,
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#202
Good luck voting next year. Maybe the GOP will shut down government again right before the election.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Oct 2013
#208
Yes, you should. Arresting politicians acting lawfully within their constitutional purview
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#193
Go subverting the constitution by criminalizing political dissent and it will fall apart
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#201
It's a fairly basic point of American law that the Constitution trumps ANY federal law.
dairydog91
Oct 2013
#209
What the tea bag group is doing might not be sedition or illegal. But, if they never back down,
ladjf
Oct 2013
#109
If the Dems capitulate every time the pubs pull this stunt, then there will ultimately have the
ladjf
Oct 2013
#151
That may be true but each side is still maintaining the stalemate for their own policial agenda
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#152
Since Congress is who decides what the law is in the first place, this is kind of silly (nt)
Recursion
Oct 2013
#143
It isn't just "NOT" voting that is seditious. Heck that's passive resistance DEMS are all over that.
Tigress DEM
Oct 2013
#231