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In reply to the discussion: Why the arguments of Obama's defenders leave many cold. [View all]angrychair
(8,536 posts)with your conclusion. The insult renders the conversation mute. While those that support the OP have no issue splitting hairs on the difference between shades of gray (defender Vs. supporter) and also look past the negative comments as not being relevant to the points the OP was trying to make, you fail in your endeavor. It is impossible to not see them as no matter how many times I read them I, an Obama supporter, cannot help but see them and have no real desire to entertain his opinion for discussion. I comment infrequently here but read often. I find it very disconcerting that so many have lost the point. Even those that feel they are doing their best to support the president fail to make their point with the clarity and effort that is needed. We are a victims of our times and the times they are achangin'. People went through the *ush era and gained a specific moral sense of what a president should be and saw, at least what they wanted to see, in the 2008 democratic candidate. The 2012 candidate has not lived up to their 2008 ideal and they want their 2008 candidate back. The fact is that he never existed. I am VERY PROUD of my president and what he has done. Has he given me everything and lived up to my highest expectations? Of course he hasn't. I will continue to express where I think we could be better and DEFEND this president when I feel I need to speak to the situation. I understand that people feel let down and that 2012 candidate could/should have been more like the 2008 ideal you had in mind but he has taken us very far from where we were in 2008, we were in a VERY DARK PLACE, some things are better and some things are not so good. We're getting there. Keep him honest; keep all of us honest, the ideal is a nice place to be. I only ask you to go the extra mile, don't just vote for him but support him. We are making progress and at its core, that is what being a progressive is all about. Thank you everyone and have a great holiday!