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jberryhill

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163. Or you could simply read the story accompanying the video at CNN

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 01:54 PM

Oct 2013

"Dramatic video footage by a videographer for Alhurra TV, a Middle Eastern news outlet financed by the U.S. government, showed the black vehicle then speeding around a nearby traffic circle with a police car in close pursuit and then heading away. The car crashed into more security barriers a few blocks later, witnesses said.

More shots were fired after the vehicle stopped, and the woman was hit several times, said Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier. Carey was later pronounced dead, Lanier said. Two officers were injured."

She got a "few blocks" away from the location of the video which you insist shows the shooting. Unless the guy with the camera is one heck of a sprinter, the video you reference is not relevant to the location and circumstances of the terminal phase of this event.

Other still pictures from where she ended up shows the car on a median.

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The Capitol Incident: "They didn't have to shoot her." [View all] WilliamPitt Oct 2013 OP

cops are exercising their god given right to shoot and kill anyone they please srican69 Oct 2013 #1

What a well thought out and reasoned response el_bryanto Oct 2013 #7

This ^^^ COLGATE4 Oct 2013 #66

I worked for 6 years in the mental health ward of a jail. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #155

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #166

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service joeglow3 Oct 2013 #10

Damn, I thought that this would be about the snarky response to it. Hayabusa Oct 2013 #152

* Who acts like a terrorist by trying to barrel through White House Security in a car. (nt) IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #24

A crazy terrorist? MoonRiver Oct 2013 #44

I am not sure which one scares me the most - the "crazy" ones, or the "sane" ones. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #49

I see. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #57

If only we had psychic police who could know all of that! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #62

Yeah, don't know if I trust my police to be psychic! MoonRiver Oct 2013 #71

+1! TheDebbieDee Oct 2013 #161

Couldn't they have used strong tranquilizer darts? thecrow Oct 2013 #81

They didn't know what they were dealing with. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #85

Well, you were wrong, weren't you? But that lady is still dead. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #180

The police use of lethal force here demands an exhaustive investigation. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #183

I agree matt819 Oct 2013 #189

I was wrong, but I could have been right. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #188

No, those would kill tons of people jeff47 Oct 2013 #95

I agree ann--- Oct 2013 #139

I seriously doubt they were looking in the back seat. dgibby Oct 2013 #162

Tranquilizer darts will not stop a person immediately, dgibby Oct 2013 #149

The drug used in tranquilizer darts for larger wild animals is EXTREMELY dangerous in humans. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #167

Well, obviously I would want them to use something less than lethal thecrow Oct 2013 #175

Name the magical "something", please. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #187

We're not talking about taking down "large wild animals" thecrow Oct 2013 #194

So you want tanq dart that will penetrate a car body? GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #173

I had to rattle my head at that too. A dart that will pierce through a car and be non-lethal. alphafemale Oct 2013 #179

Yep. Something was going to happen. treestar Oct 2013 #113

she has a long history of mental illness... it wasn't the head injury. n/t progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #143

she had mental health care... progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #141

If you were referring to the Navy Yard shooting, it was not a terrorist attack. KamaAina Oct 2013 #125

people who fly planes into buildings? Peacetrain Oct 2013 #96

That would be one good example! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #112

Umm okay. progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #138

you have seconds to act decisively Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #2

Exactly right newfie11 Oct 2013 #29

She had already hit a guard with her car. He is lucky to be alive. appleannie1 Oct 2013 #140

But remember that people killed by a car oneshooter Oct 2013 #169

They should have shot out her tires instead of killing the poor woman. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #86

See post 76 nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #87

oh please. That's TV BS. a car still drives on rims. progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #145

that doesn't stop a car Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #171

Agreed hamsterjill Oct 2013 #88

When all you have is seconds... that's when training is supposed to kick in. apnu Oct 2013 #97

Anywhere else but the White House gates... Orsino Oct 2013 #128

Wrong place to expect the benefit of the doubt BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #3

I wonder how shooting out tires works in real life as opposed to action movies. randome Oct 2013 #4

Shooting almost anything in real life is problematic jberryhill Oct 2013 #9

All they had were bodies the first time. And she basically plowed through one officer. randome Oct 2013 #14

They had vehicles in the CNN video jberryhill Oct 2013 #19

Wherever it was that the six officers surrounded the car and pointed guns at her. randome Oct 2013 #25

shooting almost anything MOVING in real life is even more problematic. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #100

it does not work well especially with a handgun, a long gun is better loli phabay Oct 2013 #32

We need ACA to help deal with the mentally ill in this country. sinkingfeeling Oct 2013 #5

I wonder with all the defense barriers in place mikeysnot Oct 2013 #6

Shooting a bomber is not a good idea either jberryhill Oct 2013 #8

What would you do in that situation? nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #13

I would construct the bomb to go off if I was killed jberryhill Oct 2013 #16

If you were a police officer in that situation? CJCRANE Oct 2013 #17

Oh, I wouldn't be a police officer in that situation jberryhill Oct 2013 #20

How would you hold a switch and drive at the same time? nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #23

pretend it is a cell phone (nt) The Straight Story Oct 2013 #26

Yes, that's possible but evasive driving holding a cell phone is unlikely CJCRANE Oct 2013 #35

Use a steering wheel spinner knob. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #177

If you can drive at 80mph with one hand on the wheel while evading the cops CJCRANE Oct 2013 #182

Likely, it would go off prematurely. But those spinners do add much to a driver's ability to turn. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #184

True. I can imagine they would be useful during normal driving conditions. nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #186

If I don't push the button every 45 seconds it goes off jberryhill Oct 2013 #31

So the cops should've just let the car reach it's presumed target? nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #38

She wasn't shot until the car was immobilized jberryhill Oct 2013 #106

Did you see the video? The car wasn't immobilized, it was driving away from the cops AFAIK. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #109

That video wasn't where she was shot jberryhill Oct 2013 #114

I saw the one from yesterday where she drove behind some trees and we heard some gunshots. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #116

Eventually, the motorcycles catch up and one guy breaks the windshield with his helmet jberryhill Oct 2013 #121

That was a different incident. Methinks you're just being contrarian for the sake of it. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #126

Yes, it is as relevant as jberryhill Oct 2013 #129

You could be right. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #135

Or you could simply read the story accompanying the video at CNN jberryhill Oct 2013 #163

Thanks for the info. The shots in the video were fired while the car was moving. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #165

Or better yet, hold the switch open with your right foot. RC Oct 2013 #68

your attention to detail is rather frightening... n/t progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #148

Of course if she had escaped again and driven into a group of pedestrians KinMd Oct 2013 #90

Absolutely! treestar Oct 2013 #117

Bingo! and if they hadn't done it and she killed the baby, they'd blame the cops nt progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #150

I think CJ's asking about a strategy in confronting a bomber hootinholler Oct 2013 #40

That's what I was thinking. If they thought she had the car rigged with LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #28

What would be the right thing t do? pintobean Oct 2013 #48

I just think they could have found a way to stop her without killing her. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #64

I am usually the first to criticize excessive use of force by police; however, in this case . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #178

They were doing their job. Which would be keep a bomb from getting to the target. Thor_MN Oct 2013 #83

hate to disagree with you, but the choice is to shoot the bomber even if there is a dead man switch loli phabay Oct 2013 #41

Jumping in front of bullet or on a grenade is a bad idea. Democat Oct 2013 #84

Dead man switches aren't frequently used in real life jeff47 Oct 2013 #99

Ding ding ding ! you are so right JB. nt Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2013 #104

It's very sad that she was killed. Sissyk Oct 2013 #11

It wasn't a case of each officer thinking individually frazzled Oct 2013 #12

Kind of feel the same way about someone breaking into a home The Straight Story Oct 2013 #15

Interesting to see this discussion of armed self-defense. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #70

Very sad, but they didn't have much of a choice knowing what they did. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #18

I feel like it was justified Courtesy Flush Oct 2013 #21

Something bugs me about this whole entire thing. wercal Oct 2013 #22

"Is it possible this woman took a wrong turn, and completed freaked out when the police swarmed her" WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #27

That's a distinct possibility hootinholler Oct 2013 #46

I know somebody who went into diabetic shock and rammed some cars on the highway. wercal Oct 2013 #51

Completely Possible RobinA Oct 2013 #127

That's what I was thinking yesterday jberryhill Oct 2013 #132

She did not take a wrong turn. She attempted to get through a White House gate mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #43

Question wercal Oct 2013 #47

Of course there are cameras Marrah_G Oct 2013 #69

There is video on the web of her ramming the barriers kmlisle Oct 2013 #118

That is not the initial event wercal Oct 2013 #122

She was obsessed and thought Obama was stalking her.. progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #153

How do you know that wercal Oct 2013 #164

I don't care if she was scared or not TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #190

Should I put you down for a no? wercal Oct 2013 #191

She believed she could communicate with Obama. Her head wasn't in reality. She was unmedicated. MADem Oct 2013 #147

I'm trying to imagine someone clocking 80 mph on those streets. winter is coming Oct 2013 #156

Would she take her baby with her? Tree-Hugger Oct 2013 #73

She may have thought she was protecting the baby wercal Oct 2013 #79

She may have thought that... Tree-Hugger Oct 2013 #82

I'm not suggesting that the cops weren't justified... wercal Oct 2013 #91

I see where you're coming from... Tree-Hugger Oct 2013 #107

Re: ". . . .would she really take her baby with her?" markpkessinger Oct 2013 #174

True wercal Oct 2013 #176

I think way too many cops.. sendero Oct 2013 #30

They had the car surrounded at one point with weapons pointed at her. mnhtnbb Oct 2013 #33

agree totally n2doc Oct 2013 #67

I side with law enforcement on this one. (nt) Paladin Oct 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Downwinder Oct 2013 #36

what a ridiculous post. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #39

i agree. exactly. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #37

The person was a danger to the public. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #42

When they shot, the car was contained. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #52

When they first had the car surrounded on foot (before she fled) they did not shoot her. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #54

Exactly. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #60

They shot the car after she escaped from a first containment. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #55

I would have first assumed a dead man switch if I thought explosivies were onboard seveneyes Oct 2013 #45

I think the cops did what they thought was best in that situation. bigwillq Oct 2013 #50

I wish it had ended differently too. HappyMe Oct 2013 #53

Real easy to second-guess lapislzi Oct 2013 #56

+1 DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #72

A bomber would have a method of exploding if shot. Coyotl Oct 2013 #58

Yes, because it's only by shooting that the bomb would go off. jeff47 Oct 2013 #102

It actually makes the actions of the police more heroic bottomofthehill Oct 2013 #151

As horrendously sad as it is, there in nothing else that could have been done. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #59

There are actually times when the Police have to use deadly force. Vinnie From Indy Oct 2013 #61

The intersection where it started is confusing to begin with hootinholler Oct 2013 #63

Is/was there a better option? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2013 #65

Shoot the tires...only one thing to this nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #74

? WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #76

None who knows anything about firearms nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #80

I would add that there are snipers atop the White House 24/7... Orsino Oct 2013 #144

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #146

Yes, but do those snipers have riffles? n/t zappaman Oct 2013 #154

..... maddezmom Oct 2013 #158

There are written procedures. grantcart Oct 2013 #75

Sounds reasonable to me. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #77

No, they didn't have to shoot her. But this is the 'shoot first ask questions sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #78

"RIP to yet another victim of our culture of violence." EX500rider Oct 2013 #134

Okay, now I've got an image of mythology Oct 2013 #192

My first thought like a lot of other people dinger130 Oct 2013 #89

Because in the real world, that doesn't work. jeff47 Oct 2013 #105

it was a tragedy and another example of our fine mental healthcare system.... CarrieLynne Oct 2013 #92

To me heaven05 Oct 2013 #93

I thought the whole point of all this NSA dragnet spying was to protect us from car bombs Demeter Oct 2013 #94

The terrorists won, that's my thought. Most days I'm just numbed to this sad fact, Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #98

The details have me concerned.... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #101

I think they were trying to save that baby Skittles Oct 2013 #103

The only thing that stops a bad girl in a car is a good guy with a gun. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #108

IF they had shot her in the car littlewolf Oct 2013 #110

Do you have a link for the statement that she was shot in the back? onenote Oct 2013 #130

no, I swear I saw it yesterday. went back and nada. littlewolf Oct 2013 #168

I always want to ask people who say these things treestar Oct 2013 #111

This happened because Obama is scared and we don't have prayer in school anymore. progressoid Oct 2013 #115

I heard it was marxist fundamentalists conspiring to impose muslamic atheism on everyone. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #119

If the driver were a middle eastern man, the media wouldn't be asking any questions Orrex Oct 2013 #120

The guy who invented the car bomb should be shot. Ms. Carey, not so much. leveymg Oct 2013 #123

There was a report last evening that the woman suffered No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #124

Another unmedicated individual with psychiatric issues. MADem Oct 2013 #131

On shooting out tires - basically it's dangerous and far from a sure thing DireStrike Oct 2013 #133

Also, a blowout of a tire on a car travelling at high speed can have very bad results onenote Oct 2013 #185

She got what she wanted. progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #136

Somehow I don't think "She GOT what she Wanted" warrant46 Oct 2013 #142

REally? Because the majority of these people want to Suicide By Cop. progressivebydesign Oct 2013 #157

I watched the video twice, the cops had remarkable restraint steve2470 Oct 2013 #137

The more I hear about her CC Oct 2013 #159

A car is hard to stop immediately krispos42 Oct 2013 #160

It was a rough situation all the way around. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #170

I applaud the cops. Hell they were not even being paid because of the shutdown. B Calm Oct 2013 #172

Agree with you, Will Hekate Oct 2013 #181

Agreed. There has been a lot of talk about "shooting out the tires" SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #193