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Warren Stupidity

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52. at least be honest. You made a threat. And now you are making another one.

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:06 PM

Dec 2011

And where did I say I hate Democrats? Wanting progressive Democratic candidates running is 'hating Democrats'?

Seriously?

What a shameful distortion.

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Who more "progressive" do you want nominated, then explain just how he/she gets 270 electoral votes. [View all] RBInMaine Dec 2011 OP

Kind of a pointless question, Obama is already our nominee. tridim Dec 2011 #1

If he is, then why the continued attacks here by so-called 'progressives'? MH1 Dec 2011 #69

Because they can. JTFrog Dec 2011 #162

It's pointless because no one who will satisfy the left side of DU exists. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #86

Maybe, but it's the Left side that pulls the party in that direction. tblue Dec 2011 #105

I'd bet they don't pull it Left. Extortion is recognized by oppo, which uses the weakening effect of patrice Dec 2011 #115

That's a very good point JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #135

Yeah, they exist AmericaIsGreat Dec 2011 #150

Good luck with this CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #2

Those who think that are hyperbolic non-realists who'd waste votes on Nader. Nuff said. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #57

Right, and we all know how valid conventional wisdom is: e.g. Invasion & Occupation of Iraq; Deregul patrice Dec 2011 #116

Hi, RB- You are mixing your opinion with fact. Shame on you. MrTriumph Dec 2011 #3

OK, please explain exactly how Dennis Kucinich could win. (I think you need to find the planet.) RBInMaine Dec 2011 #56

50? Name them. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #58

I'm shocked that you think DK or Sanders would be electable JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #87

Can you please name me a Democrat that Fox would not call an extreme leftist? Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #97

fact is it matters what fox says. even more so it matters what RW radio says to 50 mil a week certainot Dec 2011 #134

While I don't disagree with that it does not answer my question at all. Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #137

it's not a matter of winning their support. we let them decide where the center is and how the certainot Dec 2011 #142

Just explain how ONE of your fifty could win the election, realistically. pnwmom Dec 2011 #100

I'd settle for anyone in your list and I don't care if we don't win. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #4

You don't care it we don't win? drm604 Dec 2011 #9

Yes I am willing to take a few hits if we can turn that into progress. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #12

Well then drm604 Dec 2011 #16

I'm sure most people are so disgusted with both parties that they don't bother to vote. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #17

Even if you think that it's okay to sacrifice people who don't vote drm604 Dec 2011 #20

why? We just get more of the same either way. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #41

You may believe that there would be no meaningful changes, but you're wrong. drm604 Dec 2011 #42

Quoting a Republican disagreeing with the President? A Simple Game Dec 2011 #63

I'm sorry but your response confuses me. drm604 Dec 2011 #71

What makes you think there will ever be "huge changes," as you define the term? BzaDem Dec 2011 #84

Question Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #85

I don't know whether that would have happened under a Gore or Kerry Administration MNBrewer Dec 2011 #159

Then they have no need to bitch a single syllable. And they can go back to the sandbox and play. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #60

" bitch a single syllable" nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #73

that's what the media is selling, and they thank you for buying Whisp Dec 2011 #112

"I am willing to take a few hits if we can turn that into progress." MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #34

You're awfully trusting of the GOP, to think that CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #49

Does "few hits" include people suffering & dying from lack of appropriate health care, patrice Dec 2011 #117

yes exactly. I am sick and tired of getting more of the same and being told I should be happy Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #45

You're answering me a second time? drm604 Dec 2011 #50

I don't think there is time to get something better for myself, A Simple Game Dec 2011 #65

So? All of us have lists of things that we do, despite being "sick and tired" of them. BzaDem Dec 2011 #81

Unreal. You do understand this a Democratic forum don't you? tridim Dec 2011 #11

yes I do - did you have a point, or are you just making thinly veiled threats? Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #14

I alerted with a TOS check. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #21

oh good for you! Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #39

The Goldwater splinterization was precisely what enabled Democrats to pass the great society. BzaDem Dec 2011 #75

And it won't even necessarily do that! It REALLY could drive them in the opposite direction from patrice Dec 2011 #118

what he's saying is true after Obama's next 4 years: who will secure the D win then? It is an open StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #143

Not a threat, a statement of fact. tridim Dec 2011 #22

Actually it's not just for Democrats. Iggo Dec 2011 #26

It's for people who support voting for Democrats. tridim Dec 2011 #28

Support is a funny word, especially around here. Iggo Dec 2011 #30

at least be honest. You made a threat. And now you are making another one. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #52

yeah these supporters have gone way over the edge now alerting on threads that do not deserve it StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #144

People that don't think Obama is the best candidate are anti Democrat? A Simple Game Dec 2011 #68

"... don't we?" Oh come on, almost no one posts under his/her real name around here, who knows patrice Dec 2011 #123

except that it isn't any more, sadly. dionysus Dec 2011 #51

"Otherwise it is just more of the same" LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #19

Pay attention to the argument. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #46

+1 rtassi Dec 2011 #108

Your best guess: How long a term? Culminating in what kind of party agenda? patrice Dec 2011 #119

I don't know how long. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #167

So have you and yours. You have established and full throatedly supported a death spiral TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #72

well put TheKentuckian StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #146

Wonderful post dreamnightwind Dec 2011 #157

I nominate Warren Stupidity to primary Obama! Itchinjim Dec 2011 #44

I'm sorry but the Stupidity Ticket is already filled to overflowing. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #47

bet every problem will be solved in 1 hour Whisp Dec 2011 #113

"Lose elections to make progress."???????????????????? Nuff said. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #54

see goldwater '64. nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #59

I've seen this idea raised before - Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #74

You mean "thoroughly hated" like Reagan? JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #89

We already tried your method when we lost to George Bush twice. pnwmom Dec 2011 #101

They have no answer for you. They'd rather froth at the mouth than deal with reality. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #5

thanks for the broad brush smear. I answered the OP above. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #6

It's not a broad brush. It applies to a very small, very vocal group of Obama deriders. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #7

where small equals around half of the active participants of DU. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #10

between 100-200 is not even close to half of DUs active participants MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #13

I see. You are sure of those numbers? Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #15

With the new functionality to see who is making recs, it is clear. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #23

Likewise. Edweird Dec 2011 #32

Make it 201 Charlemagne Dec 2011 #147

Hell there are 95 avowed SOCIALISTS on DU socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #25

Sure, there are plenty of non-socialist liberals. But most of them support Obama for re-election. BzaDem Dec 2011 #78

There's a difference between voting for Obama socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #138

You've read DU wrong. People here accept he will be the nominee, they just wish he was more liberal bettyellen Dec 2011 #8

You can "wish" for it to rain ham sandwiches too. Someone "more liberal" CAN NOT WIN THE ELECTION. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #55

your opinions amuse me. But your angry tone make me hope you're not out there stumpimg. bettyellen Dec 2011 #61

I think the saddest thing is that we DID elect a someone more liberal. Then he showed his true aka-chmeee Dec 2011 #80

Dup Self Delete. snagglepuss Dec 2011 #82

DING DING DING We have a winner. snagglepuss Dec 2011 #83

I cannot imagine how anyone could have taken candidate Obama for anything like a Liberal. patrice Dec 2011 #120

Yeah, it is the craziest thing. emulatorloo Dec 2011 #128

We could always make the claim that he is actually MORE Liberal than how he presented himself, with patrice Dec 2011 #131

Do you think not knowing about the Derivative Crash of '08 might have had an effect upon patrice Dec 2011 #121

So the solution to the crash & economic crisis Charlemagne Dec 2011 #153

Tell me what he was supposed to do about what he DIDN'T KNOW about that crash. patrice Dec 2011 #154

+1 Charlemagne Dec 2011 #148

I agree. Progressives were duped. Obama talked a lot about "change" LibDemAlways Dec 2011 #160

partly because you and other obama supporters refuse to move left. tomp Dec 2011 #155

Wow! I've seen posts that went waaaay beyond "wishing". JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #92

I actually think that Bernie could win socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #18

I agree with this, BUT: Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #40

Pick any name libtodeath Dec 2011 #24

So do that and Utah, Idaho, Alabama, Texas, and Mississippi are going to turn bright blue? Ya right. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #62

So which one of those states did Obama win in the last election? Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #98

Actually those tactics would work, being bold, speaking in one voice, WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2011 #106

Would it matter if they have no support in congress? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #27

I'm thinking Gov. Brian Schweitzer or Elizabeth Warren in 2016. It's way too late Zorra Dec 2011 #29

100% agree mvd Dec 2011 #33

Remember now that Schweitzer is gun advocate. No where near a purist "progressive." But I agree RBInMaine Dec 2011 #64

well that was the other part of your argument that was insulting and silly. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #67

I have to say anyone who can get elected statewide in Ohio dsc Dec 2011 #31

Brown Charlemagne Dec 2011 #145

Depends who they're up against Ter Dec 2011 #35

The focus on personalities instead of principles and issues is the problem, not the solution saras Dec 2011 #36

+1 rtassi Dec 2011 #109

You know, most of us aren't proud of the system. We know what it is and that's why we disagree patrice Dec 2011 #132

Oh boy ... Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #37

OBVIOUSLY this is not plausible in 2012. There is no choice but to support Obama's reelction Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #38

I'm sick of voting for the best reformer of capitalism, to be honest. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #43

Even Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are reformers of capitalism Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #48

We've had a long string of 'capitalism reformers'. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #53

So? Lots of people do things they are sick of. Just because you are sick of something does not mean BzaDem Dec 2011 #79

Now there is a winning poliltical theme! 'Abandon all hope of change' Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #88

But it doesn't apply to most people. It merely applies to people whose definition of "change" BzaDem Dec 2011 #96

Ah yes, capitalistic "realism" rears it's ugly head socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #133

It doesn't need to be 1980 for it to be true that capitalism isn't going anywhere. BzaDem Dec 2011 #161

Silly to you maybe. And to the owners themselves? Sure..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #165

Even if those people were President, they'd still be President of the same country treestar Dec 2011 #66

Few who criticize policy would want to elect a 'red communist' and that sort of tripe is what Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #90

A more progressive candidate will be nominated. But, he/she probably won't win. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #70

Anyone more progressive. Tired of playing ball on the Republican home field. mmonk Dec 2011 #76

Two words: Citizens United nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #77

No time this time unless history makes a tide unpredicted Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #91

Canidate castnet55 Dec 2011 #93

K&R -- Good point. No one we might ideally choose would win. nt gateley Dec 2011 #94

I will tell you how we win, by not giving up and letting you tell us that we can't win. Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #95

+1000 NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #103

the same way Obama did Enrique Dec 2011 #99

Assuming Bernie ran as a Democrat, I think he would win. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #102

agreed ... rtassi Dec 2011 #110

If Sanders, Kucinich, Brown or Grayson were in the running, I'd be like "Obama who?". NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #104

Democratic approval for President Obama is consistently around 80% on Gallup. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #125

And I should care what Gallup says because???? NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #127

Have you been polled? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #129

I'll do you one better: I'll show you how a liberal/progressive can get 365 electoral votes... DRoseDARs Dec 2011 #107

A union supporter who will de-militarize our foreign and domestic policies ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #111

Gen David Patreaus is waiting in the wings.... lib2DaBone Dec 2011 #114

Kind of a sad and pointless post... jimlup Dec 2011 #122

I agree ... but let's move on ... there will be no primary .. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #124

Well said. -nt CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #126

Excellent plan. Good post n/t emulatorloo Dec 2011 #130

1. Kucinich! Sanders! Kucinich! Sanders! 2. Er................ (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #136

Wow. What a massive misdirection. ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #139

You just don't get it do you? Not worth explaining! n-t Logical Dec 2011 #140

So we give up.. bluestateboomer Dec 2011 #141

If the midterms are any indication, making a smug point is a victory in itself to these guys Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #149

People shouldn't vote based on whether or not they think that person can get 270 electoral votes Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #151

Who says Sanders and Grayson are not progressive enough? AmericaIsGreat Dec 2011 #152

If what you say is true, voting is not important now anyway. caseymoz Dec 2011 #156

Who ever it is why can't they get tp 270 EVs the same way Obama would? ... GOTV Dec 2011 #158

Bernie Sanders gael Dec 2011 #163

I believe that Somebody who would fight FOR these Progressive Policies & Issues: bvar22 Dec 2011 #164

Is short term winning the only thing that matters? primavera Dec 2011 #166