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53. I have a question. ...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
Sep 2013

If the NRA is opposed to Blacks and Hispanics being armed, why does it support "shall issue" concealed carry?

It would seem logical that if the leadership of the NRA was racist, they would support "may issue" concealed carry. "May issue" offers more opportunity for local authorities to discriminate against minorities who wish to legally carry a concealed handgun.

Concealed carry in the United States

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Shall-Issue

A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause". The laws in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction typically state that a granting authority shall issue a permit if the criteria are met, as opposed to laws in which the authority may issue a permit at their discretion.

Typical permit requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee. These requirements vary widely by jurisdiction, with some having few or none of these and others having most or all.

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May-Issue

A May-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and where the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities (frequently the sheriff's department or police), with a few states consolidating this discretionary power under state-level law enforcement. The law typically states that a granting authority "may issue" a permit if various criteria are met, or that the permit applicant must have "good cause" (or similar) to carry a concealed weapon. In most such situations, self-defense in and of itself often does not satisfy the "good cause" requirement, and issuing authorities in some May-Issue jurisdictions have been known to arbitrarily deny applications for CCW permits without providing the applicant with any substantive reason for the denial.

May-Issue can be compared to Shall-Issue where in a May-Issue jurisdiction, the burden of proof for justifying the need for a permit rests with the applicant, whereas in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction the burden of proof to justify denying a permit rests with the issuing authority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
Brilliant! Bwaaahaaaa! Gotta love Sara Silverman... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #1
The timing of this is in extreme poor taste pintobean Sep 2013 #2
the NRA is in poor taste demwing Sep 2013 #3
This came out a few weeks ago. Glassunion Sep 2013 #7
It was posted here today. pintobean Sep 2013 #8
Which top story? People being killed with guns? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #36
Yeah, we should wait until the NEXT terrible mass shooting to have this discussion. See you guys in Erose999 Sep 2013 #41
On the next one pintobean Sep 2013 #42
Then why don't you get your asshole gun compatriots to call a moratorium on mass shootings DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #59
You can't wait for a day with no gun murders in the US because such days don't exist. stevenleser Sep 2013 #60
Since when are black people being discriminated against from owning guns? badtoworse Sep 2013 #4
The ignorance on this board and with Sarah Silverman is astounding. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #13
I've come to the conclusion that, pintobean Sep 2013 #15
truly, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #28
I couldn't get to the link - the content is blocked on my computer badtoworse Sep 2013 #20
If you go to a meeting of the NRA, you'll understand why there might be a need for a "black" NRA. ehrnst Sep 2013 #30
Fair enough, but the question is why. badtoworse Sep 2013 #32
this guy would not be their posterboy Skittles Sep 2013 #43
I'll accept that. LOL badtoworse Sep 2013 #50
It is supposed to be humorous satire. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #37
I've figured that out and I'll check out the link when I get home tonight badtoworse Sep 2013 #39
What do you think would be the headline if Politicalboi Sep 2013 #51
They'd likely have a cow. So would Drudge. badtoworse Sep 2013 #54
NRA Membership will hate it.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #5
OO!! oo oo oo can we have a gay one? sibelian Sep 2013 #6
Pink Pistols. Brickbat Sep 2013 #9
Ah HA. sibelian Sep 2013 #61
The NRGay? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #10
I believe Neal Brennan was representing that demographic? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #40
They think they are being clever.... aikoaiko Sep 2013 #11
Agreed... Clown is Down Sep 2013 #12
this thread was already headed down hill and I think we just hit bottom with your post. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #14
Hello there sir MattBaggins Sep 2013 #16
You call the poster a troll and then agree with them? Interesting post. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2013 #21
If you find that agreement I don't really know what to tell you. MattBaggins Sep 2013 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #24
please proceed governor MattBaggins Sep 2013 #29
I didn't know relaying a statistical fact was trolling or racist. Clown is Down Sep 2013 #52
Perhaps you didn't mean it MattBaggins Sep 2013 #58
not so sure .. when ronnie raygun was in chrge of california there were no gun laws until leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #19
A lot has changed since then. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #22
no it hasnt people are just as racist and when they see blackmen with ar15's there will be action leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #34
The clueless on this thread... 99Forever Sep 2013 #17
You've just removed any doubt. pintobean Sep 2013 #18
Did I strike a nerve... 99Forever Sep 2013 #44
Not at all. pintobean Sep 2013 #46
Think I'll observe you vanishing. 99Forever Sep 2013 #47
I love when it's announced pintobean Sep 2013 #49
I was wondering about it myself. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #38
Thanks for the post. ctsnowman Sep 2013 #25
Now we know how to get gun control implemented in the U.S... backscatter712 Sep 2013 #26
Nope. Think again. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #35
In the 60's the NRA partnered with the NAACP here in NC Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #45
Even the NRA can get thrown under the bus if the white rich assholes think they might get threatened backscatter712 Sep 2013 #55
I agree. I've often been amazed that the ruling 1% haven't pushed for a ban on firearms. ... spin Sep 2013 #57
Love this!!!!!! redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #27
the reason the city of chicago has gun laws at all mopinko Sep 2013 #31
The crazy thing is, this could work. elias7 Sep 2013 #33
Heh, I've made jokes like this in real life. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #48
I have a question. ... spin Sep 2013 #53
The Gungeoneers are billh58 Sep 2013 #56
The NRA helped arm and supply ammo to the Deacon for Defense and Justice. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #62
its how california got its gun laws La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #63
Stay classy Sara Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #64
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