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In reply to the discussion: Public Mea Culpa: I now support the NRA. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)53. I have a question. ...
If the NRA is opposed to Blacks and Hispanics being armed, why does it support "shall issue" concealed carry?
It would seem logical that if the leadership of the NRA was racist, they would support "may issue" concealed carry. "May issue" offers more opportunity for local authorities to discriminate against minorities who wish to legally carry a concealed handgun.
Concealed carry in the United States
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Shall-Issue
A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause". The laws in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction typically state that a granting authority shall issue a permit if the criteria are met, as opposed to laws in which the authority may issue a permit at their discretion.
Typical permit requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee. These requirements vary widely by jurisdiction, with some having few or none of these and others having most or all.
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May-Issue
A May-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and where the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities (frequently the sheriff's department or police), with a few states consolidating this discretionary power under state-level law enforcement. The law typically states that a granting authority "may issue" a permit if various criteria are met, or that the permit applicant must have "good cause" (or similar) to carry a concealed weapon. In most such situations, self-defense in and of itself often does not satisfy the "good cause" requirement, and issuing authorities in some May-Issue jurisdictions have been known to arbitrarily deny applications for CCW permits without providing the applicant with any substantive reason for the denial.
May-Issue can be compared to Shall-Issue where in a May-Issue jurisdiction, the burden of proof for justifying the need for a permit rests with the applicant, whereas in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction the burden of proof to justify denying a permit rests with the issuing authority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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Yeah, we should wait until the NEXT terrible mass shooting to have this discussion. See you guys in
Erose999
Sep 2013
#41
Then why don't you get your asshole gun compatriots to call a moratorium on mass shootings
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2013
#59
You can't wait for a day with no gun murders in the US because such days don't exist.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#60
If you go to a meeting of the NRA, you'll understand why there might be a need for a "black" NRA.
ehrnst
Sep 2013
#30
this thread was already headed down hill and I think we just hit bottom with your post.
Tuesday Afternoon
Sep 2013
#14
You call the poster a troll and then agree with them? Interesting post. n/t
A Simple Game
Sep 2013
#21
not so sure .. when ronnie raygun was in chrge of california there were no gun laws until
leftyohiolib
Sep 2013
#19
no it hasnt people are just as racist and when they see blackmen with ar15's there will be action
leftyohiolib
Sep 2013
#34
Even the NRA can get thrown under the bus if the white rich assholes think they might get threatened
backscatter712
Sep 2013
#55
I agree. I've often been amazed that the ruling 1% haven't pushed for a ban on firearms. ...
spin
Sep 2013
#57
The NRA helped arm and supply ammo to the Deacon for Defense and Justice.
GreenStormCloud
Sep 2013
#62