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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 01:27 AM

12. Pipelines, CNG Systems, Electric Power Lines and Stations ...


... to the extent those lower toxin-emissions and make energy as inexpensive as it was when our economy was booming (not that this was the only factor - but the gasoline-spike and crash we are still in were not unrelated, either)

Just for the record, I am not a "Gore-ite" - I worry about toxins killing us now, much more than a theoretical CO2 rise which, contrary to Gore's film's big lie, followed, rather than preceded, the warming he charted. I also see more cheap energy as a positive goal to strive for - a benefit to humanity in general. That said, I don't trust the Oil companies One Iota.

While I agree natural gas is at a low price (a complex issue also relevant to the fixed-high-price of crude vis-a-vis China, and etc), if it were that cheap, gasoline would have been forced down significantly in areas where it is produced, as a result of the existence of a lower-cost, alternative energy source. Oddly, where i have seen a prevalence of CNG consumer vehicles, are in nations that must import it - and where its cost is only slightly lower than gasoline.

As to oil-jobs - yes, those have traditionally paid well - to those who get them, and this has a welcome effect to those who provide goods and services to those so employed.

I view the solution to be the citizenry owning the reserves of all mineral resources as individual shares, which they can sell directly into the commodities market, and who hire out the drilling, transport, and refining to organizations who bid for those jobs. This breaks "cartel control" while freeing the "good side" of market-mechanisms that maximise efficiency and lower costs.

Also, as you seem to have some expertise in this arena, what is your take on Blum's "Alcohol Can Be a Gas" - locally produced, non natural-gas produced, ethanol as a competitor to oil? Given the waste-product's use as animal feed, equal or superior to its inputs (which are currently used), it seems to me that only vegetarians can reasonably argue against this additional means to push down the cost of energy. But if there is a gaping hole in his analysis, I'd like to know about it.

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