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alc

(1,151 posts)
8. it's not that easy
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:55 AM
Sep 2013

Foreign profits are made by entities much closer to independent franchises than to divisions of a US company. They pay license fees to the US company for the name/formulas/patents and have restrictions on what they can do, but are legal corporations under a non-US government.

For example, we see "Coca-cola Company". But it's actually 100s of corporations such as (I'm making up the entities but it's how most global corporations are organized)

* Coca-cola US, Inc
* Coca-cola Japan, Inc
* Coca-cola Tokyo Bottling Company, Inc

The first owns most of the stock in the 2nd which owns most of the stock in the 3rd. There doesn't even have to be a stock ownership relation just naming agreements. The second two pay licensing fees to the first for names and patents. The second one makes no profit. The third one can keep all of it's profit.

Japan insists that the last incorporation exists if coke is to be bottled in Tokyo (a legal local entity for law suits and to tax). Japan would be pretty pissed if the US started trying to tax Japanese companies.

The Tokyo company has a few options with it's profits.
* Leave them in a Japanese bank
* Loan them to another company. Any company could get the funds but it will likely be a sister company (i.e. Coca-cola Istanbul, Inc) or a company that can facility Coke's business (e.g. an independent "Beverage Distribution Services Turkey, Inc&quot . This helps the Coke brand grow in another country as Coke competes with non-US country in the international market.
* Give the profits to the Japan company which may give them to the US company if it wants.


For the US government to collect taxes, it would need to collect it based on stock ownership, not corporate profit. That's a HUGE change, not a simple change and the affects go way beyond this 3 corp example above. Corporations can respond by reducing/modifying sock ownership - in some countries the US company can't legally be the majority stock holder any how.

The other place this comes into play is on mergers which will be happening as many regional companies start competing in new markets with 2 billion+ consumers. First, if coke pays US taxes on it's global profits, it will have less global money to invest in emerging markets. Second, all of the major soda companies are probably going to combine until 2 or 3 are left (it happens in most markets that many brands die or merge until a few are left). Profits and taxes will be a huge factor in deciding which legal entity remains as headquarters after the merge.

K&R Scuba Sep 2013 #1
Of course the congresscritters' corporate owners would never let them pass this. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #2
Too Far Royal777 Sep 2013 #20
Or they could use the money for unending war and to spy on citizens. dkf Sep 2013 #3
or on tax cuts for working families eShirl Sep 2013 #4
we badly need corporate tax reform in this country Celebration Sep 2013 #5
And two years later the owners buy MORE tax breaks from Congress......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #15
How would you stop... FreeJoe Sep 2013 #6
That is an easy one. Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #10
It's not nearly that easy. FreeJoe Sep 2013 #16
Yes they could. But they won't. radiclib Sep 2013 #7
it's not that easy alc Sep 2013 #8
Easiest thing would be to prohibit the corporation as a business organization. mbperrin Sep 2013 #12
Yeah, that'll work ...... oldhippie Sep 2013 #17
Yes. Let business owners operate as partners in the same manner as Lloyd's of London. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #21
Yes, in their pre-1994 mode, where "Names" faced unlimited personal liability for their decisions. mbperrin Sep 2013 #23
Until we push (hard) and achieve campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections, Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #9
Where's the "idea"? The article just says to tax money held offshore 7962 Sep 2013 #11
How would you figure we have the highest corporate tax in the world? mbperrin Sep 2013 #13
If the government owns half the company, you cant compare the two. 7962 Sep 2013 #14
Well, you're on the verge of understanding something. mbperrin Sep 2013 #18
Well, I cant put my 401 anywhere but where my company SAYS I can 7962 Sep 2013 #19
Consumption tax is the worst ever. mbperrin Sep 2013 #22
Havent TOTALLY abandoned the 401! 7962 Sep 2013 #24
Good. mbperrin Sep 2013 #25
But isn't Congress being paid by the very wealthy to NOT do this? nt valerief Sep 2013 #26
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