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there will always be collaborateurs and quislings. grasswire Aug 2013 #1
Yes, but so-o-o many? 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #21
Greenwald is a "tool" himself. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #86
An amazing point! Vanje Aug 2013 #101
of whom? nt grasswire Aug 2013 #107
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #115
Because, of course, no-one could possible arrive at different conclusions to Ellsberg independently. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #2
Nobody said that there cannot be other conclusions. But Ellsberg is well respected totodeinhere Aug 2013 #27
Thank you. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #32
He's also on the same board leftynyc Aug 2013 #123
Oh that Peoplesview website again. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #134
That's hilarious leftynyc Aug 2013 #136
You are linking to the most bizarre AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #135
Fine - how about these leftynyc Aug 2013 #137
"This kind of arrogance makes me laugh." Maedhros Aug 2013 #39
I imagine all the tools are making up and spewing their different conclusions Zorra Aug 2013 #42
Well, certainly we can all agree that a drone strike on Edward Snowden... Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #87
I can see Ellsberg is already being thrown under the bus U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #3
Someone on DU over the weekend called Ellsberg a 'dickhead,' thereby elevating HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #82
A very descriptive term. RC Aug 2013 #89
So that's where the 'mule' term that we saw here on DU came from. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #4
They didn't do it subtly Hydra Aug 2013 #9
When two pundits use the same off-the- wall terminology, what sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #14
As I've said before, the hyena pack is not interested in engaging in reasonable debate. Maedhros Aug 2013 #47
I think it's mostly #2 Hydra Aug 2013 #52
I believe there are some who are just diehard partisans. Maedhros Aug 2013 #61
You see, Greenwald's partner is from South America, that's why "mule" is funny! MNBrewer Aug 2013 #74
I dunno. If Greenwald is in a gay marriage like the article indicates (?) Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #100
K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #5
Greenwald's outright lies and lies of omission have been documented. They are undeniable. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #6
DU's resident Cartographer declares Ellsberg "wrong" and "sad" LeftyMom Aug 2013 #8
I'll stake my 1 map vs. Catherina's catalog of errors any day. And that you haven't bothered KittyWampus Aug 2013 #15
I guess one doesn't need to be a journalist to be a tool eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #23
But the evidence you provide for Greenwald's supposed "lies" is not compelling. Maedhros Aug 2013 #51
eggsactly. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #81
:headpat: It's nice that you're trying. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #83
Post some Greenwald lies. It's not as if lots of us haven't been asking for proof for months DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #10
You got that right. Vanje Aug 2013 #44
Well, there's apparently some kind of map that is supposedly "evidence" Maedhros Aug 2013 #53
Well, if they've been documented, how about something to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #11
Easiest lie to post- Greenwald saying Miranda was held because he was his spouse. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #17
1) pure opinion frylock Aug 2013 #22
Yes he was. And that you would accept Greenwald's lie about Miranda being detained solely KittyWampus Aug 2013 #24
linky? frylock Aug 2013 #25
why would he trust their lawyer? frylock Aug 2013 #58
So you admit he lied. LOL! Which is it. Either he was offered a lawyer or he wasn't. He either had KittyWampus Aug 2013 #71
no, i didn't admit he lied. i asked why he would trust their lawyer.. frylock Aug 2013 #73
perhaps a link to said documentation is in order? frylock Aug 2013 #20
Look! A screwdriver! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #31
LOL! blackspade Aug 2013 #117
"and I mean that in every sense of the term"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #7
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #12
Daniel Ellsberg. American patriot. Autumn Aug 2013 #13
Yes, and Toobin, hypocrite beyond belief, who himself stole classified sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #18
Toobin is beyond disgusting. Autumn Aug 2013 #19
This is amazing. Vanje Aug 2013 #57
American patriot who is woefully uninformed regarding Greenwald and his serial lies. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #26
That's the opinion you have. I'm fine with that. My opinion differs. Autumn Aug 2013 #29
We are still waiting for you to document those alleged lies. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #33
You must have drawn the "Keep posting that Greenwald is lying" item Maedhros Aug 2013 #54
Several people now have asked you for a list of these lies you speak sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Aug 2013 #28
Hey, I looked at your web site. Autumn Aug 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Aug 2013 #38
Very welcome. Again. Autumn Aug 2013 #40
How is it diffferent to others like Old Elm Tree or Progressive Independent? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #124
BINGO! Puglover Aug 2013 #126
I'd be calling a bad bingo on that one... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #128
There isn't any. Puglover Aug 2013 #129
Oops. I need to read slower! Sorry... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #131
Exactly Violet. Puglover Aug 2013 #133
Wow... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #138
Maverick was a troll, rightfully TS'd. I believe NanceGreggs is still a member Vanje Aug 2013 #149
It isn't any different. Autumn Aug 2013 #130
Wow, what a lovely little board you have there LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #48
an "oasis" of authoritarian apologists for embracing a Surveillance & Security State. Sieg Heil! 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #56
An Oasis of TS'd zombies Vanje Aug 2013 #64
Some are still here, "alive and well" MNBrewer Aug 2013 #79
They do have a nice, real time chat room. Autumn Aug 2013 #60
That explains a lot. n/t QC Aug 2013 #112
Ah Memories! Vanje Aug 2013 #113
One of my favorite days of being a moderator! Puglover Aug 2013 #127
Just imagine...a place where Ole Mav is the house intellectual. QC Aug 2013 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author Vanje Aug 2013 #59
You know so little about Ellsberg, your arrogance and ignorance are what's really incredible. If you HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #85
Tell Bob Cesca zentrum Aug 2013 #16
Cesca is one of the most willfully and pridefully dishonest people I have ever encountered Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #102
Ellsberg: "Journalists Who Attack Glenn Greenwald Are 'Tools'..." railsback Aug 2013 #30
It's really sad that one of the great patriots of our time is called something totodeinhere Aug 2013 #34
Ellsberg compared his own actions to Manning's railsback Aug 2013 #45
Read his memoirs. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #49
Ellsberg didn't document dump railsback Aug 2013 #55
Ellsberg didn't have access to 21st Century Digital Technology, bvar22 Aug 2013 #63
LoL! Wow. Manning said he didn't know the details of what he released railsback Aug 2013 #66
Ellsberg took what he could carry. bvar22 Aug 2013 #70
Ellsberg released what he worked on railsback Aug 2013 #72
That's not the end of the story. Yes his methods were slightly different than the methods totodeinhere Aug 2013 #65
So, Ellsberg is the new Howard Beale railsback Aug 2013 #69
Hahaha. Shows how little you know about the actual Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg didn't have to HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #88
Look! A wrench! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #35
Like I said upstream 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #41
There we are. He was under the bus, but now Ellsburg is under railsback's clown car. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #36
Wow. Ellsberg is now under a clown car? railsback Aug 2013 #43
What an ignominious fate. Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #98
Didn't a guy named Railsback play Charles Manson in "Helter Skelter"? Fuddnik Aug 2013 #46
Steve Railsback who is also in the very wonderful film 'The Stuntman' Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #103
Thanks for smearing an American hero. blackspade Aug 2013 #118
Coming from the 'Love All Things Greenwald/Snowden/Manning' crowd railsback Aug 2013 #119
How do you figure that? blackspade Aug 2013 #121
knr - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #50
bvar22 AND Ellsberg: bvar22 Aug 2013 #62
your a bad boy/girl Phlem Aug 2013 #67
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a tool" is a stance for ideologues and true believers: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #68
yeah, he sounds like he's channeling greenwald and groupies. Cha Aug 2013 #76
Devastating argument! Vanje Aug 2013 #106
Yes, the gloves have been off for quite awhile on this issue. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #77
Alternet headline a bit misleading, and Ellsberg didn't call everyone who disagrees with him a tool. deurbano Aug 2013 #78
Except for those who can read he clearly uses the actions of individuals as standard for calling Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #104
" ideologues and true believers" Vanje Aug 2013 #105
I missed the part where Greenwald was 100% pure and totally above any scrutiny or criticism... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #75
Nice straw man you have there MNBrewer Aug 2013 #80
I'm at least glad the NYT cut a deal to get access to some of the data Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #84
And reporters at the NYT don't have some of the same 'baggage?' blackspade Aug 2013 #120
Since former NSA Executive Thomas Drake is the person who first "dumped" the docs on this program, Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #90
This whole Glenn Greenwald wank-fest is ignoring the fact that Barton Gellman broke the story Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #91
Interesting stuff. I wonder if Gellman even WANTS any credit for breaking story 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #93
At one point Washington Post itself came out with piece asking if Greenwald is liable for espionage. Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #95
Isn't the Post kind of 'wanting it both ways' 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #97
It seems to me it wants Greenwald to take all the credit, even while its own journalists assiduously Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #99
Of course NO reporter can "guarantee" that the managing editor or publisher won't kill a story Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #94
Yeah, but knowing the Post's current editorial leadership, it likely would have been buried. Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #96
Hahaha owned LittleBlue Aug 2013 #92
Toobin might even concede that...for him, it beats practicing law Supersedeas Aug 2013 #108
Why did you use quotation marks in your title? nt David Krout Aug 2013 #109
I went and fixed it 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #114
you're welcome nt David Krout Aug 2013 #125
We need more people to stand up to government abuse of power Jake2413 Aug 2013 #111
A big K&R for Ellsberg. blackspade Aug 2013 #116
K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #122
Elisberg say we shold trust all journalists DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #139
No. He doesn't say we should trust all journalists Vanje Aug 2013 #150
k&r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #140
Ha, Ellsberg is making himself a formidable roadblock Babel_17 Aug 2013 #141
That clip is too funny. thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #143
I like the term 'tools' felix_numinous Aug 2013 #142
Nicely put. Would make a good OP imho. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #145
Unfortunately felix_numinous Aug 2013 #147
thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #148
...or at least take some pride Vanje Aug 2013 #152
Glen couldnt even iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #144
Most adults read the actual story. Vanje Aug 2013 #153
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #146
Queue the "Ellsberg is a tool" folks. nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #151
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