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Vic Vinegar

(80 posts)
48. bleh
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:10 PM
Aug 2013

You can't be a nihilist because then you reduce yourself to the fraud of sense perception and you have a debilitation where you can't fill in logical discontinuity.

Real scientific discovery is accomplished by the subject creation of the hypothesis and similarly your world view must be formed by that. No person can attain objectivity (the whole truth) so the point of theorizing is fitting the natural constructs that are inherit and going off of that; refining as more is learned. The theory should not just be for the point of knowing the truth but also for acting on it and knowing what construct is responsible.

If history in English was not based on the Hegelian understanding that everything that happens is a mere faddish accident of zeitgeist it would be clear that history is actually reliant on the will of the Many vs. the will of the Few in Machiavellian terms. Or essentially oligarchical constructs that are heterogeneous generally negatively impact the everyday citizen in the cross fire while fighting to be the ruling class.

My understanding is that 9/11 was shepherded by a far right Bonapartist coup faction in the intelligence community that contained foreign moles and not the idiot understanding that somehow George Bush orchestrated the thing.

If we're talking about NSA/CIA overreach... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #1
That doesn't make sense. You're implying that we should theorize about things we already know. nt CJCRANE Aug 2013 #4
I used "theorize" in quotes. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #11
So what about *before* the Snowden revelations? CJCRANE Aug 2013 #14
We only knew what the government told us... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #21
What about agent orange and not accepting the official story? Cerridwen Aug 2013 #7
Whuh? Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #10
You're missing the point. Before something is a known "fact", it is a theory. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #15
No he's not. He's actively avoiding it. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #17
Not avoiding anything, Skippy... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #19
No. You're trying to twist what I have to say. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #29
And we'll leave it at that... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #31
I guess hysterical was too obvious a word. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #33
You use "too emotional" in quotes like you're attributing it to me Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #35
Aw. The "I project onto you what I just did defense". Cerridwen Aug 2013 #36
This has to be... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #39
Keep posting. Oh wait, I have the Black Knight. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #41
Now, THIS is fun! Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #44
"There's comparison... ...and there's contrast. Look them up. They aren't the same, Skippy." Cerridwen Aug 2013 #47
I can... do this... all night too! Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #50
And now I'm bored. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #52
actually cerridwen, this is right on target..love it and thank you..nt xiamiam Aug 2013 #67
I grew up in the same type of family laundry_queen Aug 2013 #110
No, Gravity is not "Just a theory" Lordquinton Aug 2013 #23
Notice I said "was". There was a time before Newton when it wasn't a proven fact. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #28
That's not what "fact" and "theory" mean in science William Seger Aug 2013 #84
You are confusing scientific theories, and common theories Lordquinton Aug 2013 #99
Gravity still is a theory. n/t Gore1FL Aug 2013 #69
Actually, it is considered a universal law HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #87
The "Universal Law of gravity" doesn't work with Mercury's orbit. Gore1FL Aug 2013 #93
Science is based on the premise that it is being don on earth Lordquinton Aug 2013 #98
That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. comrade snarky Aug 2013 #105
Feynman lives! BrotherIvan Aug 2013 #108
My apologies. I thought you knew history. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #16
First off, I believe the Snowden revelations... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #18
"Chemtrails or 9/11 building implosions/missiles? You're on your own." Cerridwen Aug 2013 #25
No, I used the extreme to point out a very simple fact... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #27
Aw. You did it again. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #38
There's comparison... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #40
Well versed. And much experience with republicans. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #42
More word salad from the Bard of DU. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #46
Just like sarah palin, I am. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #49
You said it... I didn't. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #51
And your depth of intelligence ensures you take it as it was written. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #53
Really? Insults? That's all you have? Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #57
it's ok guppy fascisthunter Aug 2013 #77
Many of these "theories" Lordquinton Aug 2013 #26
As I take note of your post downthread, I notice that you Cerridwen Aug 2013 #32
The only reason it's a known fact NOW is because of the CTs who never accepted the Govt lies. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22
Actually, it's a known fact now because someone in the know revealed it. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #24
Hey, I just wanted to get your attention Ocelot Aug 2013 #68
Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #71
I did, and thank you Ocelot Aug 2013 #72
You sure are! Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #75
I believe there is a conspiracy by some to cause undue scandals by their lies, does this Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #2
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #3
You lost me at the characterization of the 19 hijackers. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #5
Solar flares giving my computer hell today, look at the low IQ's shared by those who nightscanner59 Aug 2013 #6
Careful Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #116
Conspiratorial people running around commenting on internet articles sufrommich Aug 2013 #8
+++++ Just Saying Aug 2013 #58
Absolutely! nt NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #61
That is why I never pay attention to the CT haters. Rex Aug 2013 #9
My favorite is the Lizard People.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #107
so you don't believe the official 9/11 story about 19 guys hjacking planes ? JI7 Aug 2013 #12
Absolutely not ... Alice. Eddie Haskell Aug 2013 #20
I don't believe the "official" 9/11 narrative... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #62
who do you think were flying the planes? dionysus Aug 2013 #85
Perhaps... Union Scribe Aug 2013 #95
My theory is: kentuck Aug 2013 #13
My theory is: snappyturtle Aug 2013 #54
Well, there's a great divide between people who are asking a lot of questions Warpy Aug 2013 #30
Are "comments at news websites" really a good sample? arcane1 Aug 2013 #34
Nope. But that won't stop the inertia of this thread. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #63
Well...all i have to say is.. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #37
LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #43
+ 1000 Pharaoh Aug 2013 #45
bleh Vic Vinegar Aug 2013 #48
When your government constantly lies to you, why should you believe anything it says? (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #55
That's how I feel. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #114
Why didn't you repeat the name of the author of this piece, Kevin Barrett? Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #56
Looks like a case of sample selection bias. izzybeans Aug 2013 #59
So because the trolls win out on online comment threads, they are right? NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #60
Uh, here's a link to the ACTUAL study William Seger Aug 2013 #64
thanks for the link... last paragraph cited in the OP reeked of woo... dionysus Aug 2013 #86
Thanks for the REAL stuff, not the OP nonsense. Here's more from it: Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #92
Clearly you are a cog in the wheel of... Teh Conspiracy!!1 Number23 Aug 2013 #104
That's not a scientific survey cpwm17 Aug 2013 #65
I don't know that I agree with your comment about scientifically minded folks. cui bono Aug 2013 #103
Any time someone is willing to say that something is indisputably true, Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #66
Dunning-Kruger Electric Monk Aug 2013 #94
There are conspiracies Ocelot Aug 2013 #70
Why would people who believe 9/11 was an outside job spend time talking about it on forums? Recursion Aug 2013 #73
When the explanations for public tragedies felix_numinous Aug 2013 #74
people who can think outside the box propaganda writes fascisthunter Aug 2013 #76
I saw it on the Internet BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #78
LOL - my last landlady said almost the same thing once during an argument. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #111
Reality is about to materialize polynomial Aug 2013 #79
Where is the line? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #80
Delusional Paranoia is NOT "the mainstream" Timbuk3 Aug 2013 #81
Edited ONLY for clarity Timbuk3 Aug 2013 #82
Well if you buy into that one... Egnever Aug 2013 #83
This OP illustrates the new DU better than any other. And with 80 recs to boot. Number23 Aug 2013 #102
Good catch Egnever Aug 2013 #112
Logical error, it seems. More numerous comments not equal to saner. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #88
Conspiracy theories as pure dogma Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #89
Yes, there are a few conspiracies. No, most conspiracy theories are junk. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #90
No Surprise To Me colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #91
Conspiracy theory is merely a symptom of a root cause that has originated the conspiracy theory. mick063 Aug 2013 #96
Conspiracy Theories shake up the status quo. The authoritarians among us hate CT. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #97
Nah. You have it backwards. Authoritarians & PTB LOVE conspiracy theorists spinning their wheels. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #117
You have to be crazy to believe that office fires brought down Bldg. 7. cui bono Aug 2013 #100
Check out the links section on that site sagat Aug 2013 #101
19 "terrorist" who plotted for YEARS Politicalboi Aug 2013 #106
Apologists/sock puppets like to yell "Conspiracy!" whenever you get too close to the Truth. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #109
It's difficult not to believe in conspiracies these days... nt Helen Borg Aug 2013 #113
It's pretty obvious. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #115
This is based on responses to news articles? Chemisse Aug 2013 #118
And, as is so clearly demonstrated by the OP... SidDithers Aug 2013 #119
OP not interested in discussion. Seems to have posted when she/he wasn't available to respond. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #120
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