NO, they are not!! Manning wouldn't be looking at 35 fucking years. (Reply #98)

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Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:52 PM

Cha (221,950 posts)

98. NO, they are not!! Manning wouldn't be looking at 35 fucking years.

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Like it or Not, Bradley Manning is a Traitor [View all]	michigandem58	Aug 2013	OP
The pilot who killed all those people is a piece of shit.	Arctic Dave	Aug 2013	#1
And then Private Manning negated that heroic act by doing the mass file dumps	jmowreader	Aug 2013	#157
Working against dictatorial regimes?	Arctic Dave	Aug 2013	#168
Manning doesn't live in a dictatorial regime. n/t	pnwmom	Aug 2013	#227
Authoritarian, yes.	Arctic Dave	Aug 2013	#228
It's not possible for any of us to answer.	pnwmom	Aug 2013	#229
When you play with fire, you can get burned.	Arctic Dave	Aug 2013	#269
Why? Because we have a long history of conflict with Russia, that's why.	pnwmom	Aug 2013	#281
Because everyone does it.	Arctic Dave	Aug 2013	#282
No, but some of the people the State Department works with do	jmowreader	Aug 2013	#287
Since you asked, there's a major difference between Manning and Dick Cheney.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#264
what pilot are you talking about?	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#171
Chelsea Manning revealed the video tape slaughter of civilians, including two Reuters journalists	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#189
I remembered that one	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#217
The war crimes...	ljm2002	Aug 2013	#230
not having actually read the Geneva Conventions	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#234
OMG!	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#243
Yes...and the invasion itself was illegal	deutsey	Aug 2013	#250
OMG indeed.	Democracyinkind	Aug 2013	#262
I find it more strange	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#298
A treaty is a treaty.	Democracyinkind	Aug 2013	#304
Yep. I remember how the Nazis 'treated' our servicemen	COLGATE4	Aug 2013	#270
That was a well known exception.	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#278
Except in WWII when you were caught fighting...	EX500rider	Aug 2013	#300
There are always atrocities. You're against the Geneva Convention?	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#307
Very for battlefield rules....esp the wearing of uniforms while fighting..	EX500rider	Aug 2013	#309
Which God would that be?	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#295
Oh come on...	ljm2002	Aug 2013	#263
when it comes to war I think there should only be one rule	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#294
+1	oldhippie	Aug 2013	#301
Like it or not	PowerToThePeople	Aug 2013	#2
Manning has asked to be referred to as Chelsea	leftstreet	Aug 2013	#3
Thats not going to happen in	Historic NY	Aug 2013	#129
Military prison isn't the same as civilian	leftstreet	Aug 2013	#131
He's neither a hero nor a traitor. He is an actual whistleblower.	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#4
Leaker might be more accurate.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#12
I think you are confusing motive with knowledge...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#38
Ellsberg knew what he was leaking because he helped write it. Manning didn't. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#48
And AFAIK, Ellsberg made no money off his release, neither did Manning. Nor did Ellsberg's helpers,	freshwest	Aug 2013	#114
How could he be a "whistleblower" when he wasn't	Cha	Aug 2013	#36
I see your point, but by definition of whistleblower he actually uncovered	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#53
If only Manning had just whistelblowed through the correct channels..	Cha	Aug 2013	#73
I agree. It's sad because he obviously has psychological problems and needs help,	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#77
The channels are a JOKE! Sibel Edmonds would LAUGH you in the face. She tried that way...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#93
NO, they are not!! Manning wouldn't be looking at 35 fucking years.	Cha	Aug 2013	#98
You are confusing prosecuting whistleblowers with prosecuting REAL wrongdoers they expose!	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#104
Watch this one	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#249
+1	progressoid	Aug 2013	#261
A different site!	burnodo	Aug 2013	#5
yup... my 1st thought.	alittlelark	Aug 2013	#133
+1 The little creep knew the consequences of his actions and chose	doc03	Aug 2013	#6
creep?	burnodo	Aug 2013	#8
twerp?	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#10
hero?	burnodo	Aug 2013	#16
convicted... period	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#22
criminality determined by the state being the only determinant factor	burnodo	Aug 2013	#28
plenty of people think he was guilty, just not the State	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#33
well, then	burnodo	Aug 2013	#40
Then is Nelson Mandela the leader of South Africa? He was a "criminal" and...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#74
Well said.	zeemike	Aug 2013	#149
Perfectly said.	Starry Messenger	Aug 2013	#213
Our country is nothing like apartheid South Africa	treestar	Aug 2013	#279
The point is that just because our legal system says he's guilty doesn't mean it "ends" now...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#283
Our country is so good it even has a whistleblower Protection Act	treestar	Aug 2013	#310
And it is "so good" that these whistleblower "protection" acts DON'T protect security whistleblowers	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#311
Did you mean "not just the State"	dgauss	Aug 2013	#102
it doesn't matter, I sent out a 5 alarm to the fire department	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#136
Hardly full blaze...	elias7	Aug 2013	#194
Not full blaze? I saw someone here on DU claiming Manning should win the Nobel Prize	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#198
With talk like that -	Hell Hath No Fury	Aug 2013	#219
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And no one is ever wrongly convicted. n/t	Orsino	Aug 2013	#288
Traitor and treason have very specific meanings in the USA	The Second Stone	Aug 2013	#7
Don't sweat the details.	Savannahmann	Aug 2013	#14
I also don't get the 'traitor to his country' phrase. It's more of a political term than legal one.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#135
Nice diagnosis, Dr Frist	Fumesucker	Aug 2013	#9
Not a traitor	zipplewrath	Aug 2013	#11
I'm no Manning fan, but "treason" has a specific meaning	Recursion	Aug 2013	#13
Piss off! n/t	whatchamacallit	Aug 2013	#15
+1	leftstreet	Aug 2013	#17
+2	donheld	Aug 2013	#231
Whatever he is, or isn't, we are in dire need of more like him.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#18
I see nothing wrong with telling the world that a part of your country is barbaric.	BlueJazz	Aug 2013	#19
There ya' go. +1 n/t	Smarmie Doofus	Aug 2013	#184
He was badly used by Assange and others, no doubt about that.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#20
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Blah, blah, blah, time of war, blah, blah, blah.	Vashta Nerada	Aug 2013	#21
Blah, blah, blah... he was CONVICTED for his criminal actions	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#23
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WOW.. your post about guards is revealing	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#238
We are not at war	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#216
That would be Chelsea, okay? Small thing to many. HUGE thing to her.	Stinky The Clown	Aug 2013	#24
Written before the change n/t	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#30
Here at DU, the "edit post" function works really well.	Stinky The Clown	Aug 2013	#43
So fix it, then.	Iggo	Aug 2013	#245
Well now you know. Why not edit your frigging OP?....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#253
Like it or not, most people on this site know you are a right-winger	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#25
rec	PowerToThePeople	Aug 2013	#35
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+1000	RetroLounge	Aug 2013	#62
Chelsea Manning's expressed purpose was to bash the Obama administration which s/he despised.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#65
We can see through your act as well, you constantly smear the left	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#71
"Expressed" means s/he said it, and Manning said it, in May 2010	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#86
That does not say what you claim it does, not even close	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#92
It's a direct quotation. Your agreement doesn't make it any less a RW bash. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#95
Yes, it is a direct quote that says nothing like you claimed it said	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#101
He wanted to embarrass Hillary who was Obama's Secretary of State. He did.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#107
The quote shows she wanted to make the info available to the public	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#111
But that isn't what she said. It's what you want to believe she said. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#118
Actually she did say it...	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#125
"Hilary Clinton, and several thousand diplomats ... are going to have a heart attack"	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#128
Still don't see anything about her purpose being to "bash Obama"	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#132
Manning's intent was to embarrass the Obama administration by revealing private diplomatic cables.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#134
blah, blah, blah, crap, crap, crap	blackspade	Aug 2013	#141
I'm quoting Manning's own private expression of his/her intent.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#145
Thanks underscoring my point.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#148
Likewise. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#153
Dream on.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#187
You have made it clear you have no interest in evidence	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#143
The evidence doesn't support your views and you don't like it. Sorry about that. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#150
That quote has always shattered the "whistleblower" meme	Number23	Aug 2013	#210
And that, in your subject line, was the real crime wasn't it?	Union Scribe	Aug 2013	#166
Yes and no.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#299
Yeah, just marginalize people who don't agree with you	shenmue	Aug 2013	#110
Have you read this person's posts? He is constantly marginalizing anyone who is to the left of him	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#120
Transparent as hell -	Hell Hath No Fury	Aug 2013	#220
I like you	Capt. Obvious	Aug 2013	#291
I don't condone it, either. But, at least Manning is	Cha	Aug 2013	#26
Sooooooo Showden should subject himself to the criminal mistreatment of Manning	burnodo	Aug 2013	#31
snowden's a coward. end of story.	Cha	Aug 2013	#34
Snowden is a hero. end of story.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#39
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Coming from a green/snow worhipper.. big fucking surprise.	Cha	Aug 2013	#47
Bush and Cheney were war criminals...Barack Obama decided to ognore that	burnodo	Aug 2013	#51
My bad.. I forgot Asshat..	Cha	Aug 2013	#67
doesn't clear Obama from being a war criminal	burnodo	Aug 2013	#75
By what legal definition is Obama a "war criminal"?	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#94
Bush, Cheney...war criminals	burnodo	Aug 2013	#100
I repeat: By what legal definition is Obama a war criminal?	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#103
war criminal	burnodo	Aug 2013	#109
Per "a private organization set up and chartered under Malaysian law." I see.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#117
..... and perilously close to impeachment, apparently.	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2013	#115
Poor kid. It is a hell of a process. Best wishes to her. Still has many years to get things right.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#192
Yes! I've read..and hope it's right.. that she could be out in	Cha	Aug 2013	#204
I'm sure she will.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#222
Spot on!	liberal N proud	Aug 2013	#27
For some rationalization is the key to happiness.	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#29
We are not at war	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#221
How does an	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#271
really?	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#303
Yeah, well...	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2013	#32
He was not even charged with being a traitor.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#37
Liar! (Both you and your sources) - nt	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#41
What? No People's View link today?	neverforget	Aug 2013	#45
Sure is	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#52
the site he links to appears to be a poor man's People's View	Enrique	Aug 2013	#61
But I'm told the People's View author despises Obama	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#69
It is a troll site, trolls often take both sides of an issue	Bjorn Against	Aug 2013	#81
if his goal is making Obama supporters look like assholes	Enrique	Aug 2013	#89
Interesting analysis!	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#112
Hit and run flame bait troll.	morningfog	Aug 2013	#139
That's the worst kind	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#170
me?	neverforget	Aug 2013	#185
No, the OP.	morningfog	Aug 2013	#186
No problem. I didn't think so but you never know nowadays	neverforget	Aug 2013	#188
Since Nuremberg (at least)....	dtom67	Aug 2013	#46
+1	SammyWinstonJack	Aug 2013	#156
So is Dick Cheney, but we don't see him being sentenced to rot in prison for 35 years.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#49
Please provide evidence of legal treason or STFU n/t	arcane1	Aug 2013	#50
Given your laser-like focus on the law	michigandem58	Aug 2013	#57
I expected that non-reply.	arcane1	Aug 2013	#87
like it or not, I don't give a rat's buttocks about your opposition to transparancy....	mike_c	Aug 2013	#54
Like it or not, your continued presence on DU	burnodo	Aug 2013	#55
Says the guy....	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2013	#121
Holy cow.	ucrdem	Aug 2013	#126
I know. I just about died when I saw that post. 9 hidden posts in 4 little months	Number23	Aug 2013	#211
Bizarre, no?	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2013	#226
Make that 24.	lamp_shade	Aug 2013	#273
Yeah, and Mi Lai wasn't shit	Link Speed	Aug 2013	#56
A traitor to you and your authoritarian surveillance government perhaps.	dkf	Aug 2013	#58
Bullshit.	99Forever	Aug 2013	#59
Treason is morally neutral. Its morality is determined entirely by who's being betrayed.	dairydog91	Aug 2013	#60
A teabagger would believe that, yes	RetroLounge	Aug 2013	#63
Our elected representatives are traitors. Almost all of them.	mick063	Aug 2013	#64
+100000	forestpath	Aug 2013	#177
I'm reccing because that article has new information. But I don't think he's a traitor or hero.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#66
+1	JustAnotherGen	Aug 2013	#70
Some good writers on that blog. I know that you are more knowledgeable on this national	freshwest	Aug 2013	#200
A well thought-out, level headed statement. Refreshing to see.	lumpy	Aug 2013	#151
Thanks for the comment. See you around.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#203
Good post, fresh.	Cha	Aug 2013	#232
One could guess by reading some of the responses how many have loved ones,	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#68
+1	MH1	Aug 2013	#116
And you would be wrong.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#138
She was neither charged with, nor convicted of "treason."	truebluegreen	Aug 2013	#142
I did, and I'm glad she decided to expose this shit.	NuclearDem	Aug 2013	#144
I wore a uniform for six years at the height of the cold war.	mick063	Aug 2013	#158
Never been in combat have you where rules no longer apply.	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#180
For me, it is about defending the Constitution	mick063	Aug 2013	#207
thank you on every level	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#225
The oath you take in the military is not to defend the USA.	zeemike	Aug 2013	#164
Did you read what you wrote??????????? LOL!	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#181
Well I did not write the oath.	zeemike	Aug 2013	#248
My military service was just as important as yours, and I think you couldn't be more wrong.	20score	Aug 2013	#175
Wow, really, and you also couldn't be more wrong but carry on.	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#201
So to you, it's patriotic to cover up for war crimes? Who is the "traitor"? The one who commits the	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#199
My moral code? My code was always to protect my men to the bitter end.	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#209
Hey, I believe in the Geneva Convention. I believe in convicting war criminals and liars who	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#212
Really when I see GWB, Cheney and the rest of them on trial then I will believe you.	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#215
Support my country, right or wrong	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#223
As I have said, I don't undertand the military mind. There is an oath they take that is significant.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#233
Soldiers don't usually get to pick their wars or their battles. If anything leaks out that	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#237
Well. this is what I wrote the last time there was a major mess about soldiers on a DU thread:	freshwest	Aug 2013	#240
I also replied on that thread and here is what I said then....	4bucksagallon	Aug 2013	#241
Yeah because the chain of command has proven sooo competent in uncovering war crimes.	Democracyinkind	Aug 2013	#259
The Royalists and Tories called the Colonial insurgents "Traitors" too.	bvar22	Aug 2013	#72
Right on! nt	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#246
Like it or not, he exposed war crimes.	Matariki	Aug 2013	#76
Did he attempt to expose these war crimes before releasing the cables?	Travis_0004	Aug 2013	#82
I don't believe his cables threatened anyone	burnodo	Aug 2013	#91
Like it or not, Manning is not a traitor...	ljm2002	Aug 2013	#78
Should people with overdue library books get a death sentence?	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#79
The White House didn't	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#272
"And they would never answer that question."	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#277
Big deal	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#296
That's just fucking wrong.	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	#80
Agreed!	NaturalHigh	Aug 2013	#83
"he never seemed to fit in"	Babel_17	Aug 2013	#84
Bradley Manning is a traitor in the same way that you are a progressive.	The Link	Aug 2013	#85
+100	truebluegreen	Aug 2013	#147
Sieg heil...	TheProgressive	Aug 2013	#88
Folks who oppose authoritarianism often "struggle" in such a society -	TBF	Aug 2013	#90
No, he isnt a traitor.	darkangel218	Aug 2013	#96
I don't agree.	geckosfeet	Aug 2013	#97
So let me get this straight.	Initech	Aug 2013	#99
He was a traitor for breaking faith with the regime that trusted him.	Orsino	Aug 2013	#289
Thank God it passed!	Cerridwen	Aug 2013	#105
heh.	SammyWinstonJack	Aug 2013	#162
Agreed	customerserviceguy	Aug 2013	#106
Thank you.	shenmue	Aug 2013	#108
I see backwards thinking shows up even here now and then	damnedifIknow	Aug 2013	#113
no, rightwingnuts don't have a monopoly on much	stupidicus	Aug 2013	#130
Treason is bit rough	railsback	Aug 2013	#119
Chelsea will be remembered for her bravery.	Jakes Progress	Aug 2013	#122
Like it or Not, that is just your opinion	blackspade	Aug 2013	#123
An "opinion" that tells us a lot about the OP himself ..	bvar22	Aug 2013	#290
gosh	H2O Man	Aug 2013	#124
The trans and homophobia is out of line	Politicub	Aug 2013	#127
Oh look, troll trolling.	morningfog	Aug 2013	#137
like it or not, many on this board find your posts tedious and BORING beyond belief. some, on the	niyad	Aug 2013	#140
What I want to know is	GP6971	Aug 2013	#146
Second time: It is C-H-E-L-S-E-A	Stinky The Clown	Aug 2013	#152
No she's not.	ZombieHorde	Aug 2013	#154
When you enlist in the armed services of the US, an officer reads you the Articles of War	OmahaBlueDog	Aug 2013	#155
You are correct, of course	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2013	#165
Well put	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#174
I don't think she's a traitor	pauliedangerously	Aug 2013	#159
i don't like you, and Manning wasn't charged with treason. try and keep up, mkay?	frylock	Aug 2013	#160
too bad for you	LittleGirl	Aug 2013	#161
I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy . . .	caseymoz	Aug 2013	#163
+1	Celefin	Aug 2013	#257
Manning is a traitor	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#167
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+1 million!	darkangel218	Aug 2013	#178
I'd leave it. There's a cruelty to these OPs...	WorseBeforeBetter	Aug 2013	#191
Like it or not, Chelsea is a patriot who took a bullet for the rest of us. nt	William769	Aug 2013	#172
+100000000000000000000000	Little Star	Aug 2013	#255
No, he really isn't a traitor	MNBrewer	Aug 2013	#173
You and your fellow travelers should be ashamed for both your bigotry and right wing BS.	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#176
.	darkangel218	Aug 2013	#179
Hot dang, myrna minx!	tblue	Aug 2013	#183
Thanks! Great job! Wish I had thought of adding other... travelers/@$R$^&^$% to my post.	20score	Aug 2013	#190
I'm assuming that the fellow travelers of this OP have watched the "classified" video	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#195
alert results	MisterP	Aug 2013	#218
Thanks for posting the results and thanks to the jury.	myrna minx	Aug 2013	#252
Oh look -	Hell Hath No Fury	Aug 2013	#224
The TRUTH will set us free!!!	bvar22	Aug 2013	#286
Like	Capt. Obvious	Aug 2013	#293
Your support for LGBTQ rights is so great, you can't even tell the difference between been gay and	idwiyo	Aug 2013	#193
+1	Little Star	Aug 2013	#254
Wrong again. Factually, morally, constitutionally, legally, spiritually. Incorrect.	TheKentuckian	Aug 2013	#196
It's shameful, as is the number of DUers reccing this utter shite.	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#208
It serves a purpose.	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#247
Awesome. Another Crap Blog for DU to chew up and spit out.	WorseBeforeBetter	Aug 2013	#202
Dear author, you are an idiot, one useful to war criminals. n/t	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2013	#205
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#206
you are a fool	ArcticFox	Aug 2013	#214
No she's not a traitor.	NealK	Aug 2013	#235
What is the difference between Manning and this guy >	Why Syzygy	Aug 2013	#236
I have the ability to think she is not a hero...	NCTraveler	Aug 2013	#242
Thanks for your nuanced post	Celefin	Aug 2013	#260
No, she is a criminal, but not a traitor	CBGLuthier	Aug 2013	#244
That's what they said on television, too.	Octafish	Aug 2013	#251
I could respect your opinion that he is a traitor BUT!	Puzzledtraveller	Aug 2013	#256
His Defense	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#267
What's the deal with all those fake "progressive" and "liberal" blogs you keep peddling?	Democracyinkind	Aug 2013	#258
Nope, not treasonous.	malthaussen	Aug 2013	#265
The "support the troops!" trump card is lame at this point.	Dash87	Aug 2013	#266
War criminals go free, those who expose them get jailed.	Democracyinkind	Aug 2013	#268
How you only have 1 hidden post is beyond me	Capt. Obvious	Aug 2013	#274
She will always be a patriot and hero. History will show it. You think only bad people are in jail?	Safetykitten	Aug 2013	#275
So are Bush and Cheney. What's your point?	KansDem	Aug 2013	#276
This message was self-deleted by its author	G_j	Aug 2013	#280
Manning was not even charged with treason, much less convicted of treason, so this is false.	Bluenorthwest	Aug 2013	#284
Chelsea Manning was acquitted of aiding the enemy.	KamaAina	Aug 2013	#285
I guess it is a blessing in disguise that...	bvar22	Aug 2013	#292
More homophobic/transphobic garbage...are those the only sites you work for?	joeybee12	Aug 2013	#297
You're not alone.	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2013	#302
Like it or Not, I have to accept that you can post here.	Rex	Aug 2013	#305
I know -	Hell Hath No Fury	Aug 2013	#308
Sorry	Jake2413	Aug 2013	#306

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