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32. Why should someone be stuck watching Faux at work?

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:55 PM

Aug 2013

Have you ever watched that crap? Talk about forcing opinions on others. Faux does that ALL the time. Why make everyone suffer.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] DainBramaged Aug 2013 OP

That was an excellent move, my dear DainBramaged! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #1

Better would be to use the parent blocker and permanently block it. Initech Aug 2013 #2

I did DainBramaged Aug 2013 #3

I...I...I think I love you! DonRedwood Aug 2013 #121

Now that would be a richly-deserved response truebluegreen Aug 2013 #4

Sweet malaise Aug 2013 #5

Welcome to the world of lower blood pressue. Socal31 Aug 2013 #6

No kidding! It's a matter of health! freshwest Aug 2013 #9

First moron that calls the cable co. to complain Mopar151 Aug 2013 #7

No, that goes to the guy who's flipped through all the channels three times looking for it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #23

there is a place in heaven for you. rurallib Aug 2013 #8

MY HERO! Who's Dah Man? You Dah Man! freshwest Aug 2013 #10

Whoa! great move.....congrats! Don't you just f-e-e-l good? nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #11

LOL! Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #12

Good for you my friend! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #13

I did that at my old gym. Ten cable boxes/ten TVs. I blocked Faux and set a password. onehandle Aug 2013 #14

That's sad canonfodder Aug 2013 #15

I don't think it's force defacto7 Aug 2013 #16

Best story I have heard in a long time!!!!!!! Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #19

Just making junkies go cold turkey.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #20

You can not have an honest conversation with someone who watches Fox News. GETPLANING Aug 2013 #24

+1000 mr clean Aug 2013 #102

Agreed! nt avebury Aug 2013 #112

Yes. Demoiselle Aug 2013 #233

agreed. barbtries Aug 2013 #270

That's a mighty big responsibility you've taken on there, deciding what others Flatulo Aug 2013 #291

And free speech dies a little bit more . . . branford Aug 2013 #31

On the whole, I reluctantly agree with you . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #34

I understand the schadenfreude, but we should strive to be better than that. branford Aug 2013 #49

It's not really the same . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #50

She never claimed that she asked her employer to change the channel. branford Aug 2013 #53

True, perhaps, but since I gave up my lease on the big glass house some time ago . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #68

Not at all FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #36

So if people want to block a known racist like Al Sharpton they have a right to do so Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #160

Al Sharpton's show is not the equivalent of the entire Fox "news" network FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #284

Would you gag a public speaker spouting Fox News talking points in the public square, to, ya know, Flatulo Aug 2013 #305

No. For a change let the REPUBLICONS walk away. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #308

I'm afraid you're still missing it... Flatulo Aug 2013 #310

Exposure to an opinion is not imposing an opinion. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #323

'...me or anyone else'??? And how do you justify to yourself that you can decide what others Flatulo Aug 2013 #289

Not destruction. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #293

You really don't seem to understand that not everyone shares your tastes. Flatulo Aug 2013 #298

So? Millions of people like Honey BooBoo FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #303

You don't have the right to be free from offense in every public place. The owner of the TV and Flatulo Aug 2013 #309

It's not a matter of whether you believe it is right or wrong, good or bad. branford Aug 2013 #311

Okay Hekate Aug 2013 #43

Yeeesh! MsPithy Aug 2013 #47

Even hate speech is protected in the USA. branford Aug 2013 #52

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that MsPithy Aug 2013 #58

What exception to First Amendment do you believe covers the OP's conduct? branford Aug 2013 #60

The exception is the fact that the OP isn't congress whopis01 Aug 2013 #80

She violated the spirit of the First Amendment - freedom for each of us to choose what we watch. branford Aug 2013 #134

You asked what exception to the first amendment covered the OP's conduct - that was it. whopis01 Aug 2013 #157

Thank you for your concern. U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #163

Or not to watch jberryhill Aug 2013 #215

The actions described in the OP are not First Amendment violations. Maedhros Aug 2013 #234

Consider a conservative standing on his soapbox in the public square spouting RW talking points. Flatulo Aug 2013 #302

You're right - gagging is not the appropriate response to speech one opposes. Maedhros Aug 2013 #328

Ok, so lets fine tune that a bit... Instead of Flatulo Aug 2013 #329

I thought I was clear, but apparently not. Maedhros Aug 2013 #330

Yeah, I hear you. I just want to play around with this Flatulo Aug 2013 #332

The OP could close their eyes. Or walk way. Or quit. Flatulo Aug 2013 #239

Um.... jberryhill Aug 2013 #248

She didn't change the channel. She rendered the TV inoperable. Flatulo Aug 2013 #251

Is the TV in the boss' office? FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #285

The OP did not just change the channel - she rendered the TV inoperable by applying Flatulo Aug 2013 #287

It's not inoperable. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #292

You really don't get it, do you? I'm not being snarky, but you really don't seem to Flatulo Aug 2013 #295

How about the employer's right to say, "You're fired!"? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #166

Of course - goes without saying whopis01 Aug 2013 #294

Shit, call the Constitution Police hatrack Aug 2013 #190

You have no right to say that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #165

I don't believe this is a freedom of speech issue. It's just censorship and authoritarianism. Flatulo Aug 2013 #300

And they are still mercuryblues Aug 2013 #88

Freedom of Speech limits governments from .. Trajan Aug 2013 #106

... and there are so many of them showing up at once.... Hekate Aug 2013 #114

I've heard the same things said about MSNBC. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #72

But see the people who would want to block MSNBC couldn't figure out how to do it. Maraya1969 Aug 2013 #231

Don't agree. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #232

It's action and at least not a tea bagger's threat to see Obama lynched. Lint Head Aug 2013 #51

Stick around Egnever Aug 2013 #64

You'll learn even less watching The Three Stooges. Does that give the OP the right to police Flatulo Aug 2013 #241

Bullshit DainBramaged Aug 2013 #73

Looks to me like you're the one firmly planted on the horse. Flatulo Aug 2013 #242

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww DainBramaged Aug 2013 #260

No, but it looks like I'm one of the few with manners and sense. Flatulo Aug 2013 #277

Benghazi! DainBramaged Aug 2013 #279

forcing one views Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #85

Then go to the library and get another. HERVEPA Aug 2013 #87

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DainBramaged Aug 2013 #123

no one is forcing anyone to watch anything a la Clockwork Orange Sheepshank Aug 2013 #125

Some people might enjoy Fox, others might enjoy MSNBC. Would you be OK if half the people Flatulo Aug 2013 #243

Ah ... A Gungeonite sneaking through the unlocked gate ... Trajan Aug 2013 #107

I don't know, do you? branford Aug 2013 #135

Blah blah blah Trajan Aug 2013 #138

Righty? Have you read my other posts on DU? branford Aug 2013 #146

Then they can watch the live feed on their computer. bravenak Aug 2013 #152

I've read your posts. TBF Aug 2013 #238

Well, aren't you billh58 Aug 2013 #196

+1 U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #179

Have you attempt to change hearts and minds of any FauxSnewZ viewers? They get violent Vincardog Aug 2013 #153

I most certainly have no objections to your conduct. branford Aug 2013 #244

lololol TBF Aug 2013 #237

Fox News should have had it's license revoked a long time ago for fraud against the public. The Wielding Truth Aug 2013 #282

Having an opinion, even offensive or bigoted ones, does not constitute fraud. branford Aug 2013 #283

I disagree with the public airwaves being used to purposely lie and distort truth for political gain. The Wielding Truth Aug 2013 #315

Most mass media is not owned by the public, it's owned by its shareholders. branford Aug 2013 #316

The FAUX defenders still at it huh? DainBramaged Aug 2013 #318

Oh, so the TV was your private property, being used on your private property? No. Flatulo Aug 2013 #322

Just fucking stop with the lectures DainBramaged Aug 2013 #325

Please stop sending me private messages. If you wish to address my posts, you can do so here. Flatulo Aug 2013 #327

Fox News is a cable channel. You can only access it via cable, satellite, or SiriusXM radio. Flatulo Aug 2013 #321

Why should someone be stuck watching Faux at work? Politicalboi Aug 2013 #32

That would be a hostile work environment. deurbano Aug 2013 #44

Welcome to DU. What drew you here? Hekate Aug 2013 #40

One doesn't guide or persuade zombies trying to eat your children. LuvLoogie Aug 2013 #57

The touching concern is noted. Rex Aug 2013 #63

They can watch that bull jizz at home. bravenak Aug 2013 #116

just what are the viewers being forced to watch? Sheepshank Aug 2013 #127

Is it better to force FOX on someone... Wait Wut Aug 2013 #132

The OP didn't just change the channel, she altered password and stole the remote. branford Aug 2013 #136

"go into battle with a thousand cats wearing a tuna hat" demwing Aug 2013 #177

It's self-preservation. The right-wing nuts are the ones forcing FOX Berlum Aug 2013 #140

Oh, please... Iggo Aug 2013 #155

No, not sad at all demwing Aug 2013 #170

LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #180

" Perhaps an honest conversation may have been a better tact. " Maraya1969 Aug 2013 #229

Drug addicts need to be taken off their drug of choice ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #255

They really are addicts. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #288

Those drop ceilings have concealed a LOT of white powder over the years. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #17

Fuckin A, good on you, you REBEL!!!!!! Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #18

k&r... spanone Aug 2013 #21

Was laughing so hard, I forgot to K&R! N/T Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #22

Please don't whine when you lose your job. CK_John Aug 2013 #25

Is the Faux police coming? Call Bill O'Lielly Politicalboi Aug 2013 #33

Good on you! rdharma Aug 2013 #26

Alright !...Somebody with Guts !! BlueJazz Aug 2013 #27

I get Fox and CNN (which is almost as bad these days) forced on me in all kinds of environments Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2013 #28

I think the conventional wisdom is that people like the distraction of the television. branford Aug 2013 #54

Lots of places have TV in the break/lunch room. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #99

I've done done something similar a few times in different places in the past 5 years. Zorra Aug 2013 #29

+1000 mountain grammy Aug 2013 #46

One can take only so much brain torture lunasun Aug 2013 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #35

Welcome to DU. What drew you here? Hekate Aug 2013 #41

Hopefully there was no pnwmom Aug 2013 #37

Today you are my hero for performing a service to humanity Hekate Aug 2013 #38

ROFL! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #39

Wish I could do that at my mom's house... deurbano Aug 2013 #42

Fox is mind numbing in it's hypocrisy, lies, complete distortion of American history and politics mountain grammy Aug 2013 #45

That's hilarious... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #48

The horror of blocking FUCKED VIEWS oh the horror DainBramaged Aug 2013 #74

Oh come on demwing Aug 2013 #185

Me too LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DainBramaged Aug 2013 #188

Maybe some of us just have principles we stick to, even when we disagree with the outcome? Flatulo Aug 2013 #247

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww DainBramaged Aug 2013 #259

Here's how an adult would handle such a situation.. Y'kow, someone raised with taste and manners: Flatulo Aug 2013 #273

Not a fan of the first amendment I see. Omnith Aug 2013 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #56

I should decide what you watch and listen to. Omnith Aug 2013 #59

And who exactly made the OP the Queen and gave her the power to determine what anyone should watch? branford Aug 2013 #61

Welcome to DU. What drew you here? Hekate Aug 2013 #66

I ask the same question DainBramaged Aug 2013 #75

Let's use our liberal superpowers, sneak over to their house, and block it on their tvs too! FSogol Aug 2013 #109

Me moran DainBramaged Aug 2013 #110

You completely misunderstood me. I'm glad you shut the crap off. FSogol Aug 2013 #113

My apologies DainBramaged Aug 2013 #120

No prob. FSogol Aug 2013 #126

Unless DainBramaged Did This as a Duties of a Government Official Leith Aug 2013 #250

Are you sure you responded to the correct poster? I never said anything about the 1st amendment. FSogol Aug 2013 #254

Lots of people don't understand that private citizens aren't in a position to abrogate 1A. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #256

No, only you have choice. Everyone else bows to your wishes. Aren't you something! Flatulo Aug 2013 #276

Most likely the stench billh58 Aug 2013 #227

Nah,mention their god FAUX and the little lights go on in their heads DainBramaged Aug 2013 #263

Why don't you and Omnith get a room? hatrack Aug 2013 #199

Well, her and the peanut gallery that's shown up to cheer on her poor manners, Flatulo Aug 2013 #274

Welcome to DU. What drew you here? Hekate Aug 2013 #65

Thanks for the welcome. Omnith Aug 2013 #67

RealClearPolitics DainBramaged Aug 2013 #77

OFFS . . . . hatrack Aug 2013 #201

Blocking FOX isn't infringing on any first amendment rights liberal N proud Aug 2013 #82

actually Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #92

Precisely...and it's a dick move. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #96

it is probably Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #97

! cordelia Aug 2013 #147

No, not really - they can watch from their phones, or desks, or listen in their car .... Myrina Aug 2013 #105

If the other employees are watching for and she doesn't want to watch it then they are imposing OregonBlue Aug 2013 #108

I wonder as well Hekate Aug 2013 #115

Nailed it. I also (purely curious) looked at some of their posts. Am still wondering why they are on OregonBlue Aug 2013 #149

I thought maybe it billh58 Aug 2013 #228

Dead give away.... Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #312

As opposed to those who force FOX down their coworkers throats? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #129

Neither are you, I read. Iggo Aug 2013 #181

The First Amendment has to do with the government... rexcat Aug 2013 #205

Who ordered the sour grapes!? Rex Aug 2013 #223

Fuck the Pukes! Rex Aug 2013 #62

Part of the appeal of watching FOX is knowing that others are hearing it... dogknob Aug 2013 #69

they turn to channel to Faux news hoping it will stay on there pstokely Aug 2013 #70

You're right. Mariana Aug 2013 #90

Yes they do. I got Macy's to turn off FOX in the waiting area by the dressing rooms Hekate Aug 2013 #117

Sounds like a high school prank. rl6214 Aug 2013 #71

Hope you enjoy UC sgsmith Aug 2013 #76

Glad I pissed you off!! DainBramaged Aug 2013 #79

Me too! Rex Aug 2013 #164

And a few have already had pizza deliveries DainBramaged Aug 2013 #167

It does! Rex Aug 2013 #169

You pissed off the right people. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #240

Obviously.... FarPoint Aug 2013 #89

could be insecurity Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #94

Hey Smitty....op didn't force anyone to watch anything..... Sheepshank Aug 2013 #128

If I posted in RW forums, my point would be no different if the situation were reversed. branford Aug 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Aug 2013 #143

This one example? Thanks for the reply it is EXACTLY what a troll would type. Rex Aug 2013 #162

So you're not a dems/progressive/liberals then I take it? DainBramaged Aug 2013 #174

You turned off his FAVORITE channel! Rex Aug 2013 #178

I know, they are SO fucking transparent DainBramaged Aug 2013 #184

Enjoy your short stay here.. rexcat Aug 2013 #209

Do let us know the response. Skidmore Aug 2013 #78

I'll find out today when I go in DainBramaged Aug 2013 #81

Good luck! dorkzilla Aug 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author DainBramaged Aug 2013 #95

Whooooooopsie! dorkzilla Aug 2013 #100

Your coworkers are lucky pintobean Aug 2013 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #91

good for you samsingh Aug 2013 #86

COOL Mr Dixon Aug 2013 #93

I think all of us have fantasized about doing that. MineralMan Aug 2013 #98

Likely because you were raised with manners and respect for others. branford Aug 2013 #278

I went to my aunts house and she had on Faux news.. SummerSnow Aug 2013 #101

Hero time SummerSnow Aug 2013 #103

I wish I could do that !! Myrina Aug 2013 #104

that seems fair to me??? Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #150

That has to be right up there with the best thing I'll read today madokie Aug 2013 #111

Helping out humanity. bravenak Aug 2013 #118

i FORGOT TO MENTION, I made the 'landing' channel MSNBC (nbc News or whatever) DainBramaged Aug 2013 #122

Oh no!! bravenak Aug 2013 #124

they might even think it's a new Faux morning show eShirl Aug 2013 #141

Rhinos and Dinos? bravenak Aug 2013 #145

NO comment as of two miutes ago (hehehehehe) DainBramaged Aug 2013 #119

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #130

Nice try. arcane1 Aug 2013 #133

We need more Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #131

I just blocked everything but the Spanish soccer channel. Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #137

too drastic; they'll just get a replacement remote eShirl Aug 2013 #142

And I'll melt the replacement remote in acid Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #144

Sweet. I think society would run so much better if more people "who knew better" hughee99 Aug 2013 #148

LALALALALALALALALA DainBramaged Aug 2013 #159

If some teabagger blocked "Democracy Now", wouldn't that be a dickish maneuver? Throd Aug 2013 #151

Dude, you don't work here, cast your asparagus elsewhere DainBramaged Aug 2013 #158

Would you answer my question? Throd Aug 2013 #168

No I don't have to DainBramaged Aug 2013 #171

I'm not defending FOX news. You can't be so dense. Throd Aug 2013 #183

Here, I'll reply in kind like I did just moments ago DainBramaged Aug 2013 #186

OK, so you're just like the people you hate. Throd Aug 2013 #192

Nope but since you don't get it, I think I'll just ignore you like the people who hate me DainBramaged Aug 2013 #194

I thought you put me on ignore when I didn't ejaculate for the new Camaro. Throd Aug 2013 #197

wow.. How are they defending Faux news? I think you are putting words in their mouth. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #219

So you are saying Foxnews is more important then his sanity at work? Rex Aug 2013 #172

I'm not defending FOX. I'm condemning self-appointed censors. Throd Aug 2013 #187

Then you have a real problem with the federal government too, right? Rex Aug 2013 #189

In what context? Throd Aug 2013 #193

Oh holier than thou are thee so keep the channel on DainBramaged Aug 2013 #191

Yeah, fuck me for holding free speech in high esteem. Throd Aug 2013 #195

No it sounds like you are mad that he blocked Foxnews. Rex Aug 2013 #206

The fact he blocked ANYTHING is a dick maneuver. Throd Aug 2013 #211

WHY!? Rex Aug 2013 #214

You are missing the point!!!! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #222

haha awesome, turn that shit! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author DainBramaged Aug 2013 #156

wow... GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #161

I guess you approve of Fucked Vews then? DainBramaged Aug 2013 #173

Nope. you couldnt be more wrong. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #175

I don't care DainBramaged Aug 2013 #182

haha. I could care less if you do. I was just pointing out that I think you acted like a child. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #198

A child would not know how to block a channel on the TVEE. Rex Aug 2013 #207

that's not what I meant. thanks for playing though. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #212

Benghazi! DainBramaged Aug 2013 #280

Like, yeah! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #297

Look like some people wish insanity on you Rex Aug 2013 #176

fuck faux news! they should be off the air all together! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #217

They should! Or at least forced to change their Rex Aug 2013 #220

hell yeah! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #224

What have you done?!?!? bravenak Aug 2013 #200

I make people mad here all the time DainBramaged Aug 2013 #202

This needs to stay up all day. bravenak Aug 2013 #213

Me too...if nothing else I am going to kick this thread Rex Aug 2013 #221

This has been a joy to read libodem Aug 2013 #226

You do realize the difference between your actions and the OP? branford Aug 2013 #230

Speaking as one of the ACLU's sisterns (not brethren) Demoiselle Aug 2013 #236

Since when does the first amendment have anything to do with this???? groundloop Aug 2013 #252

Not exactly. branford Aug 2013 #257

You still here spewing in defense of FAUX? DainBramaged Aug 2013 #262

No, but you already know that. branford Aug 2013 #265

You are tiresome DainBramaged Aug 2013 #266

They don't get it it isn't "settled law" DainBramaged Aug 2013 #261

I agree, I have not laughed out loud this hard in a long time! Rex Aug 2013 #204

The Vitriol! The anger! Ahhhhh! bravenak Aug 2013 #208

YES! AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEE!!!! Rex Aug 2013 #210

Benghazi! bravenak Aug 2013 #216

BAWHAHAHAHAHA!!! Rex Aug 2013 #218

I wouldn't of attempted to change the channel Peaceplace80 Aug 2013 #203

Boy, this one sure brought out the trollios. Shrike47 Aug 2013 #225

me too libodem Aug 2013 #235

The trollios are great in number. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #319

Another kick because this is just too much fun watching heads explode right in front of us Hekate Aug 2013 #245

I'm really surprised that so few people think that this is not OK. Shit. Flatulo Aug 2013 #246

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww DainBramaged Aug 2013 #258

I blocked 2 Faux defenders TexasProgresive Aug 2013 #249

200+ posts and I don't see a single one defending FOX Throd Aug 2013 #253

Please block me while you're at it. Flatulo Aug 2013 #267

No one's "defending" Faux. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #275

Please post pics of the freepers's faces when they figure out they can't put FAUX on! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #264

What a great idea. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #268

You are my hero today and a true patriot! kimbutgar Aug 2013 #269

lol Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #271

I scream about Fox every public place I see it on LaPera Aug 2013 #272

I would have quit and sued agentS Aug 2013 #281

Good. Luck. With. That. branford Aug 2013 #286

This thread isn't about you or your so-called expertise DainBramaged Aug 2013 #290

I was responding the poster's advice concerning employment law remedies. branford Aug 2013 #296

There's no "destruction". FoxNewsSucks Aug 2013 #301

Respectfully, what does that have to do with any of my posts? branford Aug 2013 #307

Then again... agentS Aug 2013 #317

As has already billh58 Aug 2013 #299

300+ posts and I still don't see anyone here defending Fox news Throd Aug 2013 #304

As has been pointed billh58 Aug 2013 #324

They know they are right DainBramaged Aug 2013 #306

Ha... love it... LVdem Aug 2013 #313

LOL @ Crazy eyes at the forefront. Bachmann would be a great evil psycho in a horror flick. K&R nt livingwagenow Aug 2013 #314

Sigh. Neoma Aug 2013 #320

Defenders of the FAUX spews DainBramaged Aug 2013 #326

Like most right-wingers billh58 Aug 2013 #333

Your op could be titled... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #331

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #334

Amazing how empty their lives are DainBramaged Aug 2013 #335