Long before they funded the teahaddists, they were also among the who's who of (Reply #80)

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80. Long before they funded the teahaddists, they were also among the who's who of

funding sources for Al From's Democratic Leadership Counsel. Kochs, Coors, Chevron, Merk, the list goes on and on, created the DLC to do just what it's done, remake the Democratic Party in the image of the republican Party. Could that be why the DLC has tried so hard for so long to keep its financial sources "private"? Of course it is.

But a bunch of reporters (remember what those were), after digging for over a decade began to unearth some of the names. For anyone interested in verifying it, it's not going to be easy, because, quite coincidentally I'm sure, the stories listed in your web searches have frequently been "removed, renamed, or deleted" from site after site. The most recent one that I'm aware of was written by Bill Berkowitz.

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103 replies	Author	Time	Post
Authoritarian State Yet? [View all]	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	OP
I think they're trying to sell us on accepting it willingly	Hydra	Aug 2013	#1
It won't be legal unless they amend the constitution.	dkf	Aug 2013	#53
I think long term they will remove the Constitution	Hydra	Aug 2013	#62
They will cite precedence instead of the constitution.	dkf	Aug 2013	#63
Quite possible	Hydra	Aug 2013	#66
Not to say everything's squeaky clean...	Lawlbringer	Aug 2013	#2
It's been tried and failed, so it's better to allow this as long as it doesn't interfere	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#50
No. They'd still let us have our little internet threads.	dawg	Aug 2013	#103
I guess I'll be the crazy guy who points out we still have elections and that virtually every	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#3
we can choose between the authoritarian in red or the one in blue	drhobo	Aug 2013	#4
"authoritarian" has been so overused and abused as a matter of hyperbole around here	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#8
It comes from a 2008 paper “The Constitution in the National Surveillance State,”	dkf	Aug 2013	#61
You do realize authoritarian states sometimes hold elections?	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#5
Has a US president ever refused to surrender power once in office? nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#7
No. Why do you ask?	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#10
Hard to argue that the US is an authoritarian regime when there are intensely	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#14
Seems like theater, a pretense of democracy to keep people busy and distracted.	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#28
Yup ... dog and pony show. nt	TBF	Aug 2013	#32
Certainly our system is flawed, as has been every system in every place on earth	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#34
Whether Democrats or Republicans win, every day is a good day for the Koch bros.	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#76
Long before they funded the teahaddists, they were also among the who's who of	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#80
Yep. Bread and circus. Or in our case, Big Macs and World of Warcraft.	GoneFishin	Aug 2013	#44
Nixon...	joeybee12	Aug 2013	#15
Hrrmmm. Nixon resigned. After a massive electoral victory nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#16
I mis-read, I saw it as whether anyone has given up the power...	joeybee12	Aug 2013	#21
They all have given up the power. Peaceful, orderly transition of one head of state to another	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#24
Nixon was never prosecuted for Watergate.	LordGlenconner	Aug 2013	#25
Has the 1% ever refused to surrender power once they bought every officeholder?	MattSh	Aug 2013	#56
So, why did the Koch brothers spend so much money on losing	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#58
They still came out way ahead at the state level.	hobbit709	Aug 2013	#78
But, they didn't get their way at the national level nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#82
Who does redistricting, voter ID, etc.?	hobbit709	Aug 2013	#85
They didn't, they own nearly all the winning candidates on both sides. Learn your history.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#91
You are lying, and blatantly so.	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#94
You're as wrong and as gullible as ever. I'd hope your masters would show you	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#98
The DLC is defunct like ACORN and dead as Andrew Breitbart.	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#99
I never said either or those things, you like to argue against points you wish were made.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#101
Having seen authoritarian states first hand	sarisataka	Aug 2013	#9
There's no truly free society. It's always a matter of striking the appropriate balance	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#11
The NSA thing has pushed too far in one direction, and it's time to reel it back	sarisataka	Aug 2013	#18
Certainly parts of it, esp stuff like section 215 need to go.	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#22
There are a couple good ideas	sarisataka	Aug 2013	#26
there will never be consensus for full scale repeal-only chipping away. nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#30
You have confused illusions with reality for as long as I've been reading your writing here.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#23
You've just defined authoritarianism down as "functioning government" or "absence of anarchy"	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#29
There ya go. What confuses you about the idea of consent of the governed? Government without the	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#41
Good luck finding Utopia. nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#42
No answers as usual. This nation was founded on exactly the principles outlined above.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#54
Did they ask their slaves to cooperate? nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#57
Non sequitur. Still no answer. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#72
You're arguing that people who owned slaves didn't believe in coersion. nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#73
No. I'm arguing that coercion is not necessary and leads to bad results.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#75
What? Tired of playing already?	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#89
Emma Goldman said -	TBF	Aug 2013	#31
So you think the SCOTUS gutting of the Voting Rights Act is no big deal then, right? nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#36
...	TBF	Aug 2013	#40
guess I'll be the crazy guy who puts you on ignore	warrprayer	Aug 2013	#81
Ok, go run for office. Let us know how many "Patrons" you become beholden to, in order to afford to	Katashi_itto	Aug 2013	#90
Let me know how much people complaining on the Internet have accomplished. nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#92
Wow. Such a comeback. So Profound.	Katashi_itto	Aug 2013	#93
That's the truth. People who participate in our political system are the only	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#96
Yep... K & R !!!	WillyT	Aug 2013	#6
Plutocracy since the 1980s.	Rex	Aug 2013	#12
Anyone answering "yes" either has no idea what authoritarian means...	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#13
sure, blame the victim	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#20
huh?	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#27
you could not find	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#49
Yea I see it and I don't see how it fits in as a response to what I said.	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#51
you don't?	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#65
Oh ok.	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#67
I love "not as bad" arguments. A little aresenic is not as bad as lot of arsenic.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#39
It isn't a "not as bad" argument" Its a "entirely fucking inaccurate" argument.	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#43
When the people are given a choice between 2 candidates that support the programs..	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#45
The majority of people choose to participate in the 2 party system.	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#47
well even when it comes to arsenic	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#46
And, it's a convenient excuse for authoritarianism.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#48
is that anything like absolutism?	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#60
What if they only stole your canary?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#64
I wouldn't want anyone to go to jail for stealing my can opener.	phleshdef	Aug 2013	#68
you have the argument backwards	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#70
I'd say a state with the highest incarceration rate in the world is, in fact, a police state.	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	#88
TANJ	hfojvt	Aug 2013	#17
Im not sure exactly what we are at this point...	bunnies	Aug 2013	#19
oligarchy or plutocracy may be more accurate but it sucks either way.	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#33
Is that new to see the usernames on polls? cool...nt	Jesus Malverde	Aug 2013	#35
Let's see: Secret government, secret courts, secret prisons, secret wars, secret kill lists.....	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#37
Authoritarian or facist. Take your pick.	last1standing	Aug 2013	#38
Bushler: "There ought to be limits to freedom!"	kenny blankenship	Aug 2013	#52
Would you rather be here or in Russia? China? Cuba? -nt	CakeGrrl	Aug 2013	#55
I'd say the truth is somewhere in the middle...	Blue_Tires	Aug 2013	#59
Yeah, I'd say so	PD Turk	Aug 2013	#69
I'd say not quite.	JoeyT	Aug 2013	#71
I am all for being a serf...	sarisataka	Aug 2013	#79
Larva stage. nt	rrneck	Aug 2013	#74
DU is not a representative sample of opinion, but wow, 80% think the USA is not a democracy.	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#77
We have become more authoritarian. We are on the leading edge of what may become an authoritarian	DisgustipatedinCA	Aug 2013	#83
well, that's a nice bullshit poll. You have visually demonstrated a false choice fallacy	Pretzel_Warrior	Aug 2013	#84
I'd have to interpret that response as "wow I didn't realize the authoritarian booster league	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	#86
in a non scientific poll with sample size of 130 thus far and people self select to participate?	Pretzel_Warrior	Aug 2013	#87
Somewhere inbetween	sakabatou	Aug 2013	#95
yes.	GalaxyHunter	Aug 2013	#97
I am probably one of the most vehement in denouncing the surveillance state but I voted pass	Douglas Carpenter	Aug 2013	#100
Closer to yes than to no. Power does not flow from the people, power is used to herd the people	TheKentuckian	Aug 2013	#102

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