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cpwm17

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132. A similar thing happened recently in Kissimmee, Florida
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:06 AM
Aug 2013

Some kid's father bought him a mass-murder type weapon. Naturally that kid started shooting people and buildings for sport. It terrorized the town for several weeks. David Guerrero was gunned down and murdered for sport.

Yesterday the father was arrested:

The father of a 15-year-old Osceola County boy charged with murder let his son pick out the weapon used in two killings and more than 20 shootings this summer, according to police records.

The father also told police he bought the carbine and 100 rounds of ammunition because his son "was having problems with unidentified subjects in Poinciana, Florida," records state. And in a separate interview, the son told police that he regularly took the carbine from his father's house.

"Lothar learned of one of Konrad's shootings and took the firearm away from him," the affidavit stated. "However, Konrad was able to access it again and continue to commit shootings with it. … Konrad admitted to retrieving the firearm from Lothar's residence, and using it to commit multiple shootings as well as the murder of David Guerrero."

Based on those admissions, Lothar Schafer faces a felony charge of culpable negligence for allegedly leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor who uses it to injure or kill someone, records show. He also faces a misdemeanor charge of allowing unlawful possession of a firearm.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-shooting-arrest-murder-osceola-20130820,0,6349959.story
That's so sad. :( My son in law is from Melbourne, Australia.. Cha Aug 2013 #1
So true. So true. =( eom. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #3
Gotta wonder about the background of these kids..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #2
Maybe their folks are gun nuts malaise Aug 2013 #4
I agree. Oklahoma has a few of those gun nuts running around. B Calm Aug 2013 #9
excuse me... keroro gunsou Aug 2013 #11
IMO that reply is mostly a casting about for a rationale...as was the post it is pointed at HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #13
my apologies... keroro gunsou Aug 2013 #70
Nothing to apologize for, really. Understanding why people make hasty generalizations HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #106
Thugs Ace Rothstein Aug 2013 #47
I thought I'd read on DU by a member in the gun control group that rl6214 Aug 2013 #53
Criminal Lifestyle Ace Rothstein Aug 2013 #58
I agree with you, thank you. rl6214 Aug 2013 #60
Yes, it's typically racial code BainsBane Aug 2013 #90
I use the term for any aggressive criminal. ... spin Aug 2013 #105
Did not know the race at the time. Ace Rothstein Aug 2013 #111
They look thuggy to me. LearningCurve Aug 2013 #112
I base it on actions and not looks. Ace Rothstein Aug 2013 #114
It's easy to rush to judgement this early but ... LearningCurve Aug 2013 #117
Sometimes it is best to call a spade a spade. Ace Rothstein Aug 2013 #122
One of the thugs in this case appears to be white LearningCurve Aug 2013 #123
Why? rl6214 Aug 2013 #118
Try these LearningCurve Aug 2013 #119
Well, strictly it's a racial slur against southern Indians Recursion Aug 2013 #127
True n/t malaise Aug 2013 #136
They were Crips. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #133
But, what are the odds of having 3 of these kids hanging out together? Do they attract each other? Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #43
egg each other on. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #48
Ever been to a picnic where everyone brought their dog? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #52
Check out their FB pages oberliner Aug 2013 #66
WTF?! sakabatou Aug 2013 #5
OTOH it's sometimes best to not be hasty with leaked confessions Recursion Aug 2013 #6
True... sakabatou Aug 2013 #7
If only the kids were savvy enough to make up some bullshit SYG defense Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #14
Before you can claim SYG, you have to claim self-defense. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #134
I've seen more bullshit shooting scenarios than that defended here and elsewhere Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #139
Happens more than people realize, I suspect. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #8
That will help international relations. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #10
It's got nothing to do with international relations... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #15
It doesn't get much better than Australia Beaverhausen Aug 2013 #33
Guns don't kill people.... chuckstevens Aug 2013 #12
+1 tallahasseedem Aug 2013 #16
So the gun is responsible, just like the bomb was responsible in the Boston marathon bombing? rl6214 Aug 2013 #54
how do you figure? drhobo Aug 2013 #86
Yes..but chuckstevens Aug 2013 #87
Don't be too sure sarisataka Aug 2013 #92
The suspects are all under 18 LearningCurve Aug 2013 #113
The kids were gang members. Crips specifically. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #135
also the gangster culture PaulKersey Aug 2013 #144
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Why do you care? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #19
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Answer the question: Why do you care? (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #23
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No, why do you? bettyellen Aug 2013 #24
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Why do you care? Renew Deal Aug 2013 #35
I don't think Oklahoma has a hate crime statute. n/t Loudly Aug 2013 #31
You are incorrect CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #41
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Try them as adults, throw away the key. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #18
Take away all guns from that family for letting children do this too. bettyellen Aug 2013 #25
Do you really think that would do anything? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #137
This is the correct answer rl6214 Aug 2013 #55
The captions under their mug shots say they will be tried as adults. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2013 #107
The driver has already flipped and is cooperating. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #108
One kid had posted on FB, "Bang. Two drops in two hours". Blue Diadem Aug 2013 #21
It was "Bang Pt. 2 drops in two hours" - referencing the Chief Keef album release oberliner Aug 2013 #65
Looks like a hate crime to me. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #22
You know, I think that's exactly wrong. It wasn't a hate crime, it was a crime of apathy. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #34
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #26
They'll be acquitted, of course. Aristus Aug 2013 #28
Depends how racist the OK justice system is hack89 Aug 2013 #36
Putting 3 black men in prison who are guilty of murder is racist? WTF? DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #39
Only white gun lovers get away with murder hack89 Aug 2013 #40
OK is racist? That's quite the broad brush you have there. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #45
It was a snarky reply to a stupid post hack89 Aug 2013 #46
I see. I should have noticed the snark. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #50
Subtle snark is an art form hack89 Aug 2013 #51
Why does everything have to be about your narrow agenda? BainsBane Aug 2013 #91
Did you bother to read the post I was replying to? hack89 Aug 2013 #94
That post wasn't about a gun agenda BainsBane Aug 2013 #96
"He was a foreigner, they used a gun, it was Oklahoma." hack89 Aug 2013 #102
gun was in the sentence BainsBane Aug 2013 #103
Ok. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #104
So if this were three white teenagers.. Sotf Aug 2013 #129
No hack89 Aug 2013 #130
Are you sure all 3 are black? oberliner Aug 2013 #68
The NY Post is running photos. Wouldn't be the 1st time they got it wrong, but... cigsandcoffee Aug 2013 #73
They did get it wrong oberliner Aug 2013 #74
Here's the photo I have LearningCurve Aug 2013 #116
Do the Crips admit Whites? N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #138
All 3 are black and they're over 18? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #72
Pretty sure they are all under 18 oberliner Aug 2013 #75
Then why did that poster say 3 black men? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #80
Some news outlets ran a photo of 3 black men oberliner Aug 2013 #83
the pics i saw at a few other links show 2 black guys and 1 white guy JI7 Aug 2013 #99
It was wrong for a while at serveral sources oberliner Aug 2013 #125
The Australian media showed their photos alp227 Aug 2013 #77
You're getting worked up over the use of the word men? LOL DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #101
3 people under 18 Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #120
One of the shooters was a blue-eyed white boy. He was the oldest of the three Number23 Aug 2013 #109
He was not one of the shooters oberliner Aug 2013 #140
By that logic, there was only one shooter. And two accomplices. Number23 Aug 2013 #142
The fuck they will. Your comment is very ignorant. CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #42
I believe that Oklahoma has a SYG law that is almost a mirror of Florida. branford Aug 2013 #121
I have no ties to Oklahoma but rl6214 Aug 2013 #56
Made me sit through a corny musical several times jberryhill Aug 2013 #76
Pulitzer Prize winning play. Academy Award winning film. CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #79
Lighten up, Francis jberryhill Aug 2013 #84
Nope...they'll be pretty quickly convicted and sentenced to life in prison. roamer65 Aug 2013 #78
Got quite mad when I heard about this Xyzse Aug 2013 #30
This was heartbreaking Phentex Aug 2013 #32
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This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #44
Which poster was this that is no longer with us? rl6214 Aug 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #63
That's pretty awefull rl6214 Aug 2013 #71
I've been bored....but never that bored ileus Aug 2013 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2013 #59
Do these juveniles have parents? closeupready Aug 2013 #61
They clearly aren't "raising" their children. Producing children is one thing; LeftinOH Aug 2013 #67
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Wow. zappaman Aug 2013 #64
There is a picture circulating of the three involved oberliner Aug 2013 #69
Disgraceful SummerSnow Aug 2013 #81
Let's see...sixty times three............180 years of boredom behind bars: coming right up. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #82
Life is like a video game to some. lpbk2713 Aug 2013 #85
Wow, that sucks. Initech Aug 2013 #88
There is a level of sickness in this that is incomprehensible BainsBane Aug 2013 #89
From what is happening these days sarisataka Aug 2013 #93
I don't see this as a gun case BainsBane Aug 2013 #95
I agree sarisataka Aug 2013 #97
I think the number of sociopaths is the same, but conditions around them have changed Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #98
Leopold and Loeb. kiva Aug 2013 #124
1924 DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #141
Apparently so. More and more people just seem to be missing some parts. nt Flatulo Aug 2013 #128
This story is so heartbreaking YarnAddict Aug 2013 #100
Life without parole in a 6 by 10 cell will be even more "boring". Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #110
Let the sit out their sentence defacto7 Aug 2013 #126
Their parents should be ashamed of having raised such monsters. flvegan Aug 2013 #115
In order to be accepted into some gangs, you are required to murder someone. kentuck Aug 2013 #131
A similar thing happened recently in Kissimmee, Florida cpwm17 Aug 2013 #132
possible hate crime PaulKersey Aug 2013 #143
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