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AzDon

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96. Part-Time tactic probably wont work

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:29 PM

Aug 2013

New Here, Hi!
I had a small businessman tell me recently that he'd hafta go out of business because the fines for not insuring his two employees was going to bankrupt him! I did a little research, found this excellent primer on the subject from NFIB and printed it, and gave him a copy. He was so invested in believing that Obamacare would bankrupt him, that he wanted to argue!
Anyway, here's the NFIB explanation of employer penalties:
http://www.nfib.com/portals/0/pdf/allusers/free%20rider%20provision.pdf

The way I read this, If Forever21 has even one employee making less than 400% of poverty that applies for govt premium assistance at the govt exchange and receives it, Forever21 will be fined FOR EACH EMPLOYEE THAT COULD RECEIVE THE SAME ASSISTANCE!
Also, every 120 labor hours/mo constitutes a full time position even if it's split between employees.
It's hard to beleive that a retailer would so boldly send out such a cold-hearted letter expressing willingness to screw their employees using a tactic that probably won't work!

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Forever 21 letter to all full time/non-management employees [View all] 4dsc Aug 2013 OP

No, it's time for a change in laws. Everyone gets benefits, part-time and full-time. denverbill Aug 2013 #1

+1000000000 Initech Aug 2013 #2

+ another Scuba Aug 2013 #13

better yet, lets not have healthcare tied to employment at all corkhead Aug 2013 #14

Yes, I'd prefer that as well, but part-timers would still not get retirement, or paid time off. denverbill Aug 2013 #16

agreed! corkhead Aug 2013 #31

except then they have an incentive hfojvt Aug 2013 #15

Employers must offer healthcare to employees under HCA or face fines. denverbill Aug 2013 #21

We gave them a 1 year waiver remember? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #34

and that's just another thing that makes ACA suck hfojvt Aug 2013 #41

Not part-time workers Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #57

Which explains my post suggesting we change the way part time workers are compensated. denverbill Aug 2013 #60

ACA should never have contained the exemption for part-time workers Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #65

I'd rather have that jeff47 Aug 2013 #61

it is not even "tied to employment" hfojvt Aug 2013 #72

And that would be the point of reform jeff47 Aug 2013 #75

We had our shot and we got the ACA Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #29

Actually I don't think I've ever seen any DUer call it 'awesome', until you. denverbill Aug 2013 #37

it has it's staunch defenders. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #38

Yes, and it has people that want it eliminated and not replaced with anything. denverbill Aug 2013 #44

Sure they do. progressoid Aug 2013 #66

A hole money grubbing corporations always figure out a way to screw workers brush Aug 2013 #43

Oh please. jeff47 Aug 2013 #64

Or you could pass a law SteveG Aug 2013 #69

I would boycott, but I don't shop there to begin with. itsrobert Aug 2013 #3

For those who may not know of this company dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #4

Gee, if only someone could have foreseen this kind of thing... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #5

I know. This is mystifying that NOBODY saw this coming. Utterly out of left field. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #9

Well, you know that nobody could've predicted this. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #12

Seriously Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #20

But we can boycott all these places. Everywhere, everything. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #33

I read this and immediately texted my daughter that she cannot shop there any longer. winterpark Aug 2013 #6

most places are going to do this in one way shape or form Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #18

Hey you might as well tell her she can't buy clothes any more. dkf Aug 2013 #32

WalMart "to a certain extent"? Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #36

There are certain things I can only get at a walmart - vs a publix. And while it may be winterpark Aug 2013 #54

Don't kid yourself, your still paying just as much at Walmart . . . aggiesal Aug 2013 #56

Yes I know about their business practices, hence my not going very often, however publix winterpark Aug 2013 #86

angie harmon CrispyQ Aug 2013 #48

What a crappy thing to do. Glimmer of Hope Aug 2013 #7

And The Director Of Human Resources For Forever 21 Didn't Even Have The Guts To Sign..... global1 Aug 2013 #8

If you do that they will just cut to 25 hours a week Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #62

Wow! Talk about a blatant, in-your-face 'Fuck You' to your staff. Hope what's HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #10

Awful! GermanDem Aug 2013 #11

How could they have not seen this coming? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #17

How generous of them MrNJ Aug 2013 #19

When I began my career, we got . . . aggiesal Aug 2013 #80

Yet they claim to be a Christian company dbackjon Aug 2013 #22

Link to their Facebook page! BuddhaGirl Aug 2013 #23

I was going to post this as well RockaFowler Aug 2013 #35

Thanks Generic Other Aug 2013 #42

Thanks for link! JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #50

You're welcome! BuddhaGirl Aug 2013 #52

This is truly and purly... MarianJack Aug 2013 #24

Beat me to it! hedgehog Aug 2013 #25

Call the number on the memo 213-763-2899 BuddhaGirl Aug 2013 #26

the exchanges open October 1st Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #40

They're responding to incentives provided by legislation. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #27

But you can. You will not have anywhere to shop, get gas, or live, but you can boycott. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #30

Write to them to tell them what you think. Here's the contact Generic Other Aug 2013 #28

the teens that shop there won't care Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #46

A great Bible verse for hypocrites Generic Other Aug 2013 #49

They have a location directly across from the cable car turnaround in San Francisco KamaAina Aug 2013 #39

I really liked the idea one poster on their Facebook page had. Chan790 Aug 2013 #79

Yes! The other ones near me (East Bay and Marin are in malls, which I suppose are private property) BuddhaGirl Aug 2013 #92

A very public street KamaAina Aug 2013 #93

LOL awesome story BuddhaGirl Aug 2013 #94

Well, why not write a letter to the architect of this edifice of HC...one President Obama, and thank Safetykitten Aug 2013 #45

The exchanges open October 1 Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #51

Take it out of their tax refunds? Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #58

the penalty for not having insurance could be assessed on tax refunds Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #63

What are people looking at paying out of pocket for the insurance, co pays, deductibles? Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #74

Is there any potential for these insurance policies to be prohibitively expensive to actually use? Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #95

Going Shopping with my teenage granddaughter next Tuesday dem in texas Aug 2013 #47

Companies getting bad press for doing this Generic Other Aug 2013 #55

The new Republican/corporate business model AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #53

We'll see if Americans care about workers over cheap goods BrotherIvan Aug 2013 #59

Forever 21 letter to all full time/non-management employees The CCC Aug 2013 #67

Link somewhere so I can spread this around? nolabear Aug 2013 #68

I never heard of them but I found this on valerief Aug 2013 #70

I've never shopped there before, TxDemChem Aug 2013 #71

I'm sure their employees will treat customers accordingly tomm2thumbs Aug 2013 #73

Many people posted on this very type of action MONTHS ago... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #76

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #78

Another business to boycott. Time for single payer, or benefits paid by hr on point Aug 2013 #77

ACA is a clusterfuck. KG Aug 2013 #81

Of course it is. It was from the begining, but the apologists are not around, and have insurance... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #83

Sounds like what many companies are doing silently liberal N proud Aug 2013 #82

Yep. Lots of companies are doing this davidn3600 Aug 2013 #84

It's a vicious circle. The companies want you to be available at all times for them part-time. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #85

Use your dollars, boycott/reject this company Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #87

Well this makes it all better sarisataka Aug 2013 #88

Of course they will blame Obamacare SummerSnow Aug 2013 #89

yep Go Vols Aug 2013 #90

Sounds like they're going with the Gap business model justiceischeap Aug 2013 #91

Part-Time tactic probably wont work AzDon Aug 2013 #96

What a Christ-centered company.... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #97

Employers should not be responsible for the health-care of American citizens. THE FEDERAL GOVT WinkyDink Aug 2013 #98