No it is simple, but accurate. (Reply #131)

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Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:18 PM

Savannahmann (3,891 posts)

131. No it is simple, but accurate.

It is a lie if I knowingly give you incorrect information. It is a mistake if I unknowingly provide you with incorrect information. The knowing is the difference. Blame it on a popularity factor if you want, but the difference is the knowing.

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Remember when Obama said the NSA wasn’t “actually abusing” its powers? He was wrong. [View all]	Catherina	Aug 2013	OP
Actually,	ProSense	Aug 2013	#1
LOL, I bet you tire Catherina kicking your ass here! m-t	Logical	Aug 2013	#21
You probably know this but	MFrohike	Aug 2013	#23
It is the same document	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#49
They count on nobody ever bothering to check.	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#67
Googlebombing is hard work	bobduca	Aug 2013	#122
Same\similar doc	uponit7771	Aug 2013	#89
Butt hurt. Keep bringing it on, Catherina! The truth will defeat the ProCheney, ProAuthoritarians.	chimpymustgo	Aug 2013	#107
Actually he didn't say it doesn't happen, only that if it does happen	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#2
At this point this is in the same category as bananas	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#9
Speaking of running gags...n/t	LordGlenconner	Aug 2013	#82
Results of Jury Service	joeglow3	Aug 2013	#88
How would you know, being here since July?	laundry_queen	Aug 2013	#95
Good question.	sabrina 1	Aug 2013	#97
A question that we ALL know the answer to.	bvar22	Aug 2013	#111
The rate of mistakes is 0.01399999999	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#99
Only if you assume they are mistakes	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#100
They have to be mistakes because they would never hold up in a court of law.	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#101
They have, US troops in the field	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#103
What an obviously false dichotomy.	Threedifferentones	Aug 2013	#119
What I heard him say it that we have a system that can be abused but isnt being abused	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#61
That sounds about right. They really do think we are all stupid. Although the frenzied reactions	sabrina 1	Aug 2013	#77
I think they are well aware that a lot of Americans, while maybe not stupid, really dont care.	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#93
Zero mistakes are impossible. The rate is extremely low though, you must admit.	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#98
We have no idea how many "mistakes" because no one has been monitoring.	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#102
And they are auditing	Just Saying	Aug 2013	#113
One could argue...	BlueCheese	Aug 2013	#3
It is possible...	sweetloukillbot	Aug 2013	#5
How much easier it would have been to just come clean or simply say	Catherina	Aug 2013	#8
One could argue.........and they would be absolutely correct!	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#14
+1. nt	clarice	Aug 2013	#76
Haven't you seen the new memo?	Union Scribe	Aug 2013	#4
Just reading the number of 180's in there makes me dizzy! nt	Pholus	Aug 2013	#7
Yeah, something like that. Exactly that. And only McCain & Graham could go to Egypt	Catherina	Aug 2013	#10
It almost sounds as if you need beer and travel money. nt	grasswire	Aug 2013	#35
"That's cool too cause chess and shit."	TDale313	Aug 2013	#42
+1	Marr	Aug 2013	#44
Wow. That sums it up so well.	vi5	Aug 2013	#56
DUzy!	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#96
This message was self-deleted by its author	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#6
Does he even know he's lying?	Catherina	Aug 2013	#11
I don't really know but it does raise the question,	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#12
Is that a Nixon-era quote? It just rings that kind of a bell.	Catherina	Aug 2013	#13
"I don't want to see the first Black President of the US go down on something this stupid."	ProSense	Aug 2013	#15
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2013	#16
Like I said, hyperbole isn't the case for impeachment.	ProSense	Aug 2013	#18
You're correct. When he totally absolved the past, saying "go forward, not back",	delrem	Aug 2013	#46
I would almost guarantee that he will, now.	bemildred	Aug 2013	#72
I think it is a Watergate-era quote. I've heard it in that context.	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#17
Thank you. It's quite powerful n/t	Catherina	Aug 2013	#69
It is...	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#87
Yes it is from the Watergate hearings...	ljm2002	Aug 2013	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	PowerToThePeople	Aug 2013	#27
Thanks n/t	Catherina	Aug 2013	#70
With the Internet, we may see the first President to DO something about it....	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#29
That's the problem right there. No accountability n/t	Catherina	Aug 2013	#71
Sen. Howard Baker in Watergate Hearings...Here's a bit of fascinating stuff...	KoKo	Aug 2013	#91
"Constructive knowledge" can be assigned to Obama.	Divernan	Aug 2013	#92
There is a fine line between rhetoric and lying. He is certainly a master at rhetoric. nm	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#63
Inconceivable! n/t	DirkGently	Aug 2013	#19
Do you honestly believe the CIA hasn't had ongoing operations regardless of who's President?	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#25
Wait. What? CIA, who, now?	DirkGently	Aug 2013	#26
It was Inconceivable!	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#31
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.	NealK	Aug 2013	#32
Lol...that's the famous Princess Bride quote...	dkf	Aug 2013	#33
I kinda figured that out.	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#41
"What you’re hearing about is the prospect that these could be abused."	ohheckyeah	Aug 2013	#22
Just as I thought, we have a rogue agency.	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#24
....and the president of the united states is not in charge.	grasswire	Aug 2013	#37
They're not "running the country". They're doing their own thing...	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2013	#39
Damn!	kentuck	Aug 2013	#28
NSA statements to The Post	ProSense	Aug 2013	#30
Chicken Noodle Soup Recipe:	NealK	Aug 2013	#34
ACLU: NSA Legislation Since the Leaks Began	ProSense	Aug 2013	#36
This is a must read:	NealK	Aug 2013	#38
LOL!	limpyhobbler	Aug 2013	#40
you win this thread!	idwiyo	Aug 2013	#43
+10000	NuclearDem	Aug 2013	#45
LOL!	Aerows	Aug 2013	#68
Apparently, there is a glitch in the matrix.	xocet	Aug 2013	#47
LMAO! Best reply ever! eom	Kermitt Gribble	Aug 2013	#106
What a surprise.	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#48
Audit themselves and tell Congress,but it's a coverup	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#50
they didn't actually tell Congress.	cali	Aug 2013	#53
Yes, it was available to Congress nt	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#54
in a highly edited and redacted form.	cali	Aug 2013	#55
Oh, you saw it nt	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#58
Dianne Feinstein didn't know anything about it.	Aerows	Aug 2013	#60
That's what she said-nt	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#118
Which doesn't	Aerows	Aug 2013	#120
I remember Al Franken being	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#124
Could be	Aerows	Aug 2013	#125
What do you suggest? nm	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#62
Maybe they could have the Chinese audit them,	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#117
What did they tell Congress?	David Krout	Aug 2013	#121
To all Congress who bothered to look.	Progressive dog	Aug 2013	#123
of course he was wrong	cali	Aug 2013	#51
Good morning dear Cali	Catherina	Aug 2013	#73
wtf?? Seriously?	1awake	Aug 2013	#80
Seriously. And thanks	Catherina	Aug 2013	#81
It just makes me sick that there are people on here	1awake	Aug 2013	#85
k&r	Puzzledtraveller	Aug 2013	#52
So the NSA can't be trusted ... but we believe their internal audits.	JoePhilly	Aug 2013	#57
Still trying to defend the NSA?	LondonReign2	Aug 2013	#66
I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing out that the OP is using an NSA document. nt	msanthrope	Aug 2013	#83
Well said.	Just Saying	Aug 2013	#114
You don't know more than Obama, Mrs. Snowden	MjolnirTime	Aug 2013	#59
It seems important that you think the President knows more than Snowden.	rhett o rick	Aug 2013	#65
From my blog today...it applies, and I gave benefit of doubt	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#86
N.S.A. Often Broke Rules on Privacy, Audit Shows	ProSense	Aug 2013	#64
Why is it when when some people are wrong, they're LYING, but when others are wrong	Dreamer Tatum	Aug 2013	#74
Very true.	Safetykitten	Aug 2013	#75
At this point its hard to take SnowGlen fans seriously because of the consummate amount of sophistry	uponit7771	Aug 2013	#90
It depends on the circumstances.	Savannahmann	Aug 2013	#127
It's way simpler than that.	Dreamer Tatum	Aug 2013	#130
No it is simple, but accurate.	Savannahmann	Aug 2013	#131
Well, now that he knows of the abuse, I'm sure Obama will prosecute the abusers....won't he?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#78
Holder is on it! Like the SEC on Wall Street, or banking regulators on Bof A	Safetykitten	Aug 2013	#79
You are using an NSA document. Are you vouching for its veracity? nt	msanthrope	Aug 2013	#84
NDAA: It is legal for the government to lie to your face.	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2013	#94
And in a world where Binney, manning, Snowden et al	truedelphi	Aug 2013	#105
Have to say I agree with the OP. n/t	truedelphi	Aug 2013	#104
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2013	#108
Kick! n-t	Logical	Aug 2013	#109
"President Obama needs better Advisors ..."	slipslidingaway	Aug 2013	#110
I absolutely agree!	bvar22	Aug 2013	#112
Of course it was 'someone else' and who could have foreseen ...	slipslidingaway	Aug 2013	#115
He's a fraud	fascisthunter	Aug 2013	#116
Kick	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2013	#126
K&R nt	TBF	Aug 2013	#128
k & r! n/t	wildbilln864	Aug 2013	#129

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