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135. And there is no reason it HAS to be a "zero-sum choice!" N/T

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If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... [View all] Scuba Aug 2013 OP

K&R (love your graphic) MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1

Another DU member gave me permission to use it. Scuba Aug 2013 #2

I am going to steal the graphic tiredtoo Aug 2013 #119

Be my guest. Scuba Aug 2013 #125

K&R I don't believe that is their desire. Maintaining power over the process is far more Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #3

so why will you be supporting them? arely staircase Aug 2013 #82

That is Crow73 Aug 2013 #113

Cut defense and raise taxes on the wealthiest, closing biggest corporate tax loopholes Triana Aug 2013 #4

The last time the Democratic Party had 'full employment' as an official HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #46

Well there's a surprise... Triana Aug 2013 #60

How much of the 60% that do vote would support these measures? el_bryanto Aug 2013 #5

Yep, we might lose one for every 10 we gain. Scuba Aug 2013 #6

Oh noes!! But Then we would not be a big tent if we lost that one person!!! AllyCat Aug 2013 #43

Most people will support every plank in this platform!!!! LongTomH Aug 2013 #118

Advocating for a living wage and strengthening Social Security would be paid for by the rich. Dawgs Aug 2013 #7

If you want to attract votes from the 40% who typically don't, you need to offer them something. Scuba Aug 2013 #8

Minimum wage, SS, and legalizing weed is "something", no? Dawgs Aug 2013 #11

For some, yes. For those with no, or expensive, health insurance, no. Scuba Aug 2013 #12

My philosophy has always been to keep the message simple. Dawgs Aug 2013 #33

"Medicare for All" is both simple and popular. Scuba Aug 2013 #37

I didn't say it wasn't simple and popular. I just don't think this is the time for this fight. Dawgs Aug 2013 #62

WHY can single payer "wait for another day?" DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #52

Please don't respond if you're going to ignore everything else in my post. Dawgs Aug 2013 #59

Legalising weed down the food chain DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #69

Sorry, but it doesn't appear that you did read my other points. Dawgs Aug 2013 #71

But if the voters "turn out" DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #73

And what's wrong with that? There are so many great reasons to do it. Dawgs Aug 2013 #76

I don't deny that DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #77

Three of the four states that have pending pot legislation are in the Midwest. Dawgs Aug 2013 #84

there are a LOT of people who are directly affected by marijuana criminalization noiretextatique Aug 2013 #95

+1 nxylas Aug 2013 #131

And there is no reason it HAS to be a "zero-sum choice!" N/T DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #135

Tell that to the OP nxylas Aug 2013 #138

I tried doing that DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #140

Electoral and media reform are also important nxylas Aug 2013 #141

Junk the Electoral College! DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #146

It shouldn't be a zero-sum choice. That is one of the things wrong with the way things are done liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #142

You might be surprised ... Scuba Aug 2013 #136

But why does it have to be either/or NT DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #137

Slash the military and propose medicare for all......nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #88

Will motivate no one to vote..... n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #92

You know what motivates me not to vote nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #102

+10 RC Aug 2013 #108

How now Crow73 Aug 2013 #114

and cut back all the NSA spying. Garion_55 Aug 2013 #9

Win what? Stuckinthebush Aug 2013 #10

Not trying to win votes from the crazed right wing. Scuba Aug 2013 #14

For the most part the crazed right wing already votes Fumesucker Aug 2013 #16

All it takes is a little fact, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #13

Welcome to DU! AllyCat Aug 2013 #45

Thank you for the welcome. Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #64

If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... Coyotl Aug 2013 #15

Good grief. My "unrealistic political perspective" is supported by a host of polling data. Scuba Aug 2013 #17

I'd love to hear the answer to that one as well. Marr Aug 2013 #61

Agreed,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #19

"Those that don't vote now will not vote no matter what." Scuba Aug 2013 #21

If you can look Cryptoad Aug 2013 #25

And those 40% don't see the Democrats as any different. Let's offer them a difference. Scuba Aug 2013 #27

All those things you listed Cryptoad Aug 2013 #56

No one is advocating holding their breath or stomping their feet. Scuba Aug 2013 #63

The reason people see the Democratic party as no different than the Republicans are the RC Aug 2013 #111

I agree with Scuba on this...people I know who don't vote see no difference AllyCat Aug 2013 #50

That sounds like Cryptoad Aug 2013 #57

Sounds like a step back to the Old Working Class Democratic party to me, bvar22 Aug 2013 #65

"Not the Republican" is a losing strategy. Scuba Aug 2013 #86

great post bvar22. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #143

Personally, I think the graphic is the most realistic I've seen mountain grammy Aug 2013 #23

I dont think we are talking about Democrats winning in 2014, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #31

Democrats haven't been DEMOCRATS for a long time DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #55

Bill Clinton was and is a badass arely staircase Aug 2013 #85

Clinton worship is ridiculous and undeserved TiberiusB Aug 2013 #90

I don't want a "badass" for President. Maedhros Aug 2013 #97

that was clinton arely staircase Aug 2013 #99

Clinton signed DOMA, NAFTA, Welfare "Reform" into law. Maedhros Aug 2013 #105

Nope Crow73 Aug 2013 #115

I'm concerned the the real Democrats win in 2014, not the redefined, would-be, imagined Democrats Coyotl Aug 2013 #91

Well that assumes progressives won't vote for a soft, weak, New Democrat Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #107

That sounds like the Reince Priebus strategy JBoy Aug 2013 #48

Wow, you got him good. I guess when you got nothing you attack the poster. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #116

IF they want is the key words. zeemike Aug 2013 #18

I'd like to advocate for a functioning government uponit7771 Aug 2013 #20

You'd think it should be low hanging fruit corkhead Aug 2013 #22

Yes, this strategy will fit every single district JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #24

What percentage of eligible voters didn't bother in these districts? Scuba Aug 2013 #28

I am very surprised JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #93

Maybe and yes... Scuba Aug 2013 #94

I concur with many of your points JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #109

We're in agreement. I never meant to suggest one-size-fits-all. Scuba Aug 2013 #110

I think we need a new message. "If the left wants to win." PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #26

Agree and add another item JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #29

Agreed, thanks. Scuba Aug 2013 #30

At this point, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #32

Did you even look at the 2012 results? malthaussen Aug 2013 #34

No not at all, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #35

It's hard for me to understand, too. malthaussen Aug 2013 #36

That right there is a much better way of saying what I was trying to say. Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #47

Women should utilize the power of the lock on "the bedroom door", so to speak Divernan Aug 2013 #38

The problem is JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #66

I should have been clearer - I'm talking about women Divernan Aug 2013 #67

In that case JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #68

More than 2/3rds of Americans are in favor of most of those MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #39

When I saw your headline I immediately thought cate94 Aug 2013 #40

Sorry. I don't care anymore what they SAY they want. Obama broke me of any hope in believing loudsue Aug 2013 #41

Nice graphic, but... JEB Aug 2013 #42

Plus, accuracy might be improved by moving the Donkey a bit farther right. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #49

yup. AllyCat Aug 2013 #51

I was think about turning the donkey around, to face right. RC Aug 2013 #112

"If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #44

Kind of destorys the "Obama is a Republican" meme. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #80

Same with Clinton. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #104

You just convinced me Harry Truman must have been wrong with that quote. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #128

The Democratic Party has got to take a look at itself DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #53

Add in: no surveillance state, no TPP, and student debt relief. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #54

That is one depressing graphic! Suggests there may exist a huge opening for Bernie HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #58

I think you're making the mistake of thinking everyone else wants what you want. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #70

Not everyone, but a whole lot of those 40% do, and none of them want more tax cuts for billionaires. Scuba Aug 2013 #72

Depends how you phrase the question, I suspect. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #74

I agree on most of those, EXCEPT Bake Aug 2013 #75

Tell that to CO and WA. It worked for them. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #78

You might lose a few votes for supporting legalization.... Scuba Aug 2013 #79

Show me data to support that assertion Bake Aug 2013 #81

... Scuba Aug 2013 #83

Ron Paul's support of liberalizing weed laws Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

there are 20 states with legal medical marijuana status. More pending. Two states mine being liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #144

K&R. That platform would be very popular with the people. nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #87

K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #96

What are you smoking? That would be against the real bosses nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #98

Do 100% vote in Vermont when Bernie runs, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100

Yep - that's what Dems would do if they weren't... polichick Aug 2013 #101

Sure, that'll work for Democrats in left-leaning states. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #103

I like your graphic. RC Aug 2013 #106

I have a better idea Bernie..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #117

campaign finance reform. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #120

and... they better stop attacking public education Agony Aug 2013 #121

The attack on public education is a sleeping giant. Many democrats think they can just liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #124

Can't argue with a single word of your great post. 99Forever Aug 2013 #122

Agree with these suggestions tiredtoo Aug 2013 #123

I cant see the DEmocratic Party doing good in 2014. First of all rhett o rick Aug 2013 #126

Well, I have been saying this since right after the 2010 debacle Doctor_J Aug 2013 #127

Should but won't. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #129

I think a legalizing weed position is a winning one for Dems steve2470 Aug 2013 #130

Actually there are many die hard conservatives - and older folks - who will support .... Scuba Aug 2013 #134

hell I know republicans who smoke it. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #145

That sounds super! Wonder if Hillary will campaign that way? silvershadow Aug 2013 #132

"If they want..." Riiight. DC DEMS like their politics "right of center." blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #133

But, their idea of strengthening social security worries me! B Calm Aug 2013 #139

Putting the cart before the horse. gulliver Aug 2013 #147